Re: debugging advice

2009-06-29 Thread e
oh yeah . . . .been down the prn road for many many hours, myself. seems like a lot of nice people here ready to help so i'll get back into it soon and post specific problems. . . . there are a lot lot lot of them, so i am sure it will take some time. Thanks for the ideas. On Mon, Jun 29,

Re: debugging advice

2009-06-29 Thread Howard Lewis Ship
My negative experience with debugging touches on a number of things, but the biggest is the way that lazy evaluation makes it hard to determine cause and effect while debugging. This has been a problem, and I've had to do a lot of (prn) calls to try and identify what's going on. I eventually have

Re: debugging advice

2009-06-29 Thread Raoul Duke
> If you're finding that you're managing a lot of state, and thus have > trouble debugging, then you're probably not taking a sufficiently > functional approach. (A big hint is if you find yourself wanting a > stepping debugger to watch values change. It's the "change" part > that's worrying!) pe

Re: debugging advice

2009-06-29 Thread Richard Newman
> at the risk of sounding negative and (-; thus getting > "moderated" ;-) ... I'm very interested in taking another stab at > clojure after putting it down for a while, but I had real trouble > debugging my programs. I'm looking for advice and/or an approach. Aside from two areas — JVM pro

debugging advice

2009-06-29 Thread e
Hi all, at the risk of sounding negative and (-; thus getting "moderated" ;-) ... I'm very interested in taking another stab at clojure after putting it down for a while, but I had real trouble debugging my programs. I'm looking for advice and/or an approach. as I recall, I simply got a general