Re: Recommendation for Clojure Enterprise Development toolkit

2011-07-10 Thread Colin Yates
But then how would all the consultants make their money? ;) Sent from my iPad On 10 Jul 2011, at 04:56, Luc Prefontaine wrote: > Hey, if it does not take a year and an army of nuclear scientists to > implement, it would already > be better : > > On Sun, 10 Jul 2011 09:22:18 +0530 > Vivek K

Re: Recommendation for Clojure Enterprise Development toolkit

2011-07-09 Thread Luc Prefontaine
Hey, if it does not take a year and an army of nuclear scientists to implement, it would already be better : On Sun, 10 Jul 2011 09:22:18 +0530 Vivek Khurana wrote: > On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 9:06 AM, Luc Prefontaine > wrote: > > > > Maybe we should create something better than SAP :) > >

Re: Recommendation for Clojure Enterprise Development toolkit

2011-07-09 Thread Vivek Khurana
On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 9:06 AM, Luc Prefontaine wrote: > > Maybe we should create something better than SAP :) Not exactly better than SAP, but I am working on a business management framework based on clojure. regards Vivek -- The hidden harmony is better than the obvious!! -- You received

Re: Recommendation for Clojure Enterprise Development toolkit

2011-07-09 Thread Luc Prefontaine
Maybe we should create something better than SAP :) On Sun, 10 Jul 2011 12:18:37 +1000 LordGeoffrey wrote: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enterprise_software > tl;dr > model the entire enterprise. > > On 10/07/11 09:11, Andreas Kostler wrote: > > What is generally considered "enterprise" then?

Re: Recommendation for Clojure Enterprise Development toolkit

2011-07-09 Thread LordGeoffrey
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enterprise_software tl;dr model the entire enterprise. On 10/07/11 09:11, Andreas Kostler wrote: What is generally considered "enterprise" then? On 10/07/2011, at 9:07 AM, Sean Corfield wrote: In which case, apologies to Shree... but those lists don't really offer

Re: Recommendation for Clojure Enterprise Development toolkit

2011-07-09 Thread Shree Mulay
i though all we needed was a sleek logo??? look forward to the clojure port to LCARS. Please keep us updated (whoever has info) On Sat, Jul 9, 2011 at 7:11 PM, Andreas Kostler < andreas.koestler.le...@gmail.com> wrote: > What is generally considered "enterprise" then? > > On 10/07/2011, a

Re: Recommendation for Clojure Enterprise Development toolkit

2011-07-09 Thread Andreas Kostler
What is generally considered "enterprise" then? On 10/07/2011, at 9:07 AM, Sean Corfield wrote: > In which case, apologies to Shree... but those lists don't really > offer many companies that would generally be considered "enterprise" > so I'm not sure how persuasive they would be (in either dire

Re: Recommendation for Clojure Enterprise Development toolkit

2011-07-09 Thread Sean Corfield
On Sat, Jul 9, 2011 at 2:06 PM, Colin Yates wrote: > I think he was being sarcy :) In which case, apologies to Shree... but those lists don't really offer many companies that would generally be considered "enterprise" so I'm not sure how persuasive they would be (in either direction :) -- Sean A

Re: Recommendation for Clojure Enterprise Development toolkit

2011-07-09 Thread Phil Hagelberg
To my knowledge Clojure has not yet been ported to LCARS[1]. This clearly disqualifies it from being used in the Enterprise. Phil [1] http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/LCARS On Jul 9, 2011 1:29 AM, "MarkH" wrote: > As a tech lead or architect you should be fired for even suggesting to > use Clojure

Re: Recommendation for Clojure Enterprise Development toolkit

2011-07-09 Thread Colin Yates
I think he was being sarcy :) On 9 July 2011 22:03, Sean Corfield wrote: > On Sat, Jul 9, 2011 at 1:52 PM, Shree Mulay wrote: > > Clojure REALLY isn't ready for Enterprise level development. > > That's your opinion but I expect there are "enterprise" companies > using Clojure already who just h

Re: Recommendation for Clojure Enterprise Development toolkit

2011-07-09 Thread Sean Corfield
On Sat, Jul 9, 2011 at 1:52 PM, Shree Mulay wrote: > Clojure REALLY isn't ready for Enterprise level development. That's your opinion but I expect there are "enterprise" companies using Clojure already who just have a policy of not talking publicly about their technology choices... Again, your a

Re: Recommendation for Clojure Enterprise Development toolkit

2011-07-09 Thread Shree Mulay
Clojure REALLY isn't ready for Enterprise level development. see: http://dev.clojure.org/display/community/Clojure+Success+Stories http://www.quora.com/Whos-using-Clojure-in-production -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this g

Re: Recommendation for Clojure Enterprise Development toolkit

2011-07-09 Thread Sean Corfield
On Sat, Jul 9, 2011 at 1:29 AM, MarkH wrote: > As a tech lead or architect you should be fired for even suggesting to > use Clojure as an enterprise greenfield.   Industry and academia is > moving towards advanced type systems.  Nobody in industry seriously > considers Clojure for enterprise syste

Re: Recommendation for Clojure Enterprise Development toolkit

2011-07-09 Thread Sam Aaron
On 9 Jul 2011, at 09:29, MarkH wrote: > Industry and academia is moving towards advanced type systems. I'm not even sure what this means - especially in the context of programming languages. Industry and academia are orthogonal and have extremely different goals. Perhaps one might perceive them

Re: Recommendation for Clojure Enterprise Development toolkit

2011-07-09 Thread Luc Prefontaine
We have a complex messaging app in prod since Jan. 2009. It's 24x7 and fully redundant. The high level functions are all in Clojure and we are moving away from Java low level code written in the early days. I have been writing complex software for 30 years now. I found a way to decide what tools

Re: Recommendation for Clojure Enterprise Development toolkit

2011-07-09 Thread Stuart Halloway
On Jul 9, 2011, at 3:29 AM, MarkH wrote: > As a tech lead or architect you should be fired for even suggesting to > use Clojure as an enterprise greenfield. Industry and academia is > moving towards advanced type systems. Nobody in industry seriously > considers Clojure for enterprise systems.

Re: Recommendation for Clojure Enterprise Development toolkit

2011-07-09 Thread Vivek Khurana
On Sat, Jul 9, 2011 at 1:59 PM, MarkH wrote: > As a tech lead or architect you should be fired for even suggesting to > use Clojure as an enterprise greenfield.   Industry and academia is > moving towards advanced type systems.  Nobody in industry seriously > considers Clojure for enterprise syste

Re: Recommendation for Clojure Enterprise Development toolkit

2011-07-09 Thread Colin Yates
Hi Jonathon, I did see that thread, but most of the (excellent and useful) advice was around programming practices/idiomatic Clojure if I remember correctly. I am for tool recommendations as well I guess. I will re-read that thread though - thanks for the link. Col P.S. Is there a place (wiki

Re: Recommendation for Clojure Enterprise Development toolkit

2011-07-09 Thread Colin Yates
"Nobody in industry seriously considers Clojure for enterprise systems." Your argument is internally inconsistent as I am in industry and seriously considering Clojure for enterprise systems. On 9 July 2011 09:29, MarkH wrote: > As a tech lead or architect you should be fired for even suggesting

Re: Recommendation for Clojure Enterprise Development toolkit

2011-07-09 Thread László Török
I agree not very constructive. Re your comment, Backtype was just acquired by Twitter and they have built a pretty decent system using clojure. I saw another job ad not long ago for a clojure position at a wall street bank. I think can't get more enterprise grade than that. So maybe you want to

Re: Recommendation for Clojure Enterprise Development toolkit

2011-07-09 Thread Jonathan Fischer Friberg
That's not very constructive at all. I think clojure would work fine (or better) for enterprise applications. The one thing that could pull it down is maintainability, as the maintainers must know clojure. There was recently a thread about working on large programs in clojure. It might contain so

Re: Recommendation for Clojure Enterprise Development toolkit

2011-07-09 Thread MarkH
As a tech lead or architect you should be fired for even suggesting to use Clojure as an enterprise greenfield. Industry and academia is moving towards advanced type systems. Nobody in industry seriously considers Clojure for enterprise systems. On Jul 8, 12:43 pm, Colin Yates wrote: > *This i

Recommendation for Clojure Enterprise Development toolkit

2011-07-08 Thread Colin Yates
*This isn't meant to start a flame-war!* I am pretty convinced that I want to use Clojure as my primary tool (in place of Java/Groovy Spring and Hibernate) in writing Enterprise applications on the JVM. By Enterprise I mean that my solution has to be very stable, maintainable by others, subject t