Re: Clojure/EPL and the GPL

2009-08-30 Thread John Harrop
On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 7:57 AM, Jan Rychter wrote: > > Tassilo Horn writes: > [...] > > BTW: What's the reason that Clojure is licensed under the EPL and the > > contrib stuff under CPL? Since clojure is not really eclipse-related, I > > don't see a good rationale. IMHO, the Lesser GPL would

Re: Clojure/EPL and the GPL

2009-08-30 Thread Jan Rychter
Tassilo Horn writes: [...] > BTW: What's the reason that Clojure is licensed under the EPL and the > contrib stuff under CPL? Since clojure is not really eclipse-related, I > don't see a good rationale. IMHO, the Lesser GPL would be a much better > fit. Then you can use clojure also in commerc

Re: Clojure/EPL and the GPL

2009-08-29 Thread John Harrop
On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 12:00 PM, Rich Hickey wrote: > > This has been discussed as nauseam before: > > > http://groups.google.com/group/clojure/browse_frm/thread/6e99caafcf2bbedf/b5519cc219a5baeb > > Nothing has changed, so let's give it a rest, please. This may be a tempest in a tea-pot, at l

Re: Clojure/EPL and the GPL

2009-08-29 Thread Phil Hagelberg
Tassilo Horn writes: >> But actually I believe the status quo is already quite permissive. >> The fact that Clojure is EPLed doesn't mean you can't write GPLed apps >> using it.* The EPL-GPL incompatibility bites you only when you try to >> GPL something that is a "derivative work" of Clojure. >

Re: Clojure/EPL and the GPL

2009-08-29 Thread Garth Sheldon-Coulson
On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 12:00 PM, Rich Hickey wrote: > > This has been discussed as nauseam before: Ah, so it has. Fair enough. > > > > http://groups.google.com/group/clojure/browse_frm/thread/6e99caafcf2bbedf/b5519cc219a5baeb > > Nothing has changed, so let's give it a rest, please. > > Ric

Re: Clojure/EPL and the GPL

2009-08-29 Thread Rich Hickey
This has been discussed as nauseam before: http://groups.google.com/group/clojure/browse_frm/thread/6e99caafcf2bbedf/b5519cc219a5baeb Nothing has changed, so let's give it a rest, please. Rich On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 4:11 AM, John Harrop wrote: > This is a problem. > The GPL is a very popular

Re: Clojure/EPL and the GPL

2009-08-29 Thread John Harrop
This is a problem. The GPL is a very popular open source license. If a language does not permit developers to use the GPL, that language may be severely reducing the number of developers willing to adopt it. It would be desirable for clojure.lang and clojure.core to use a modified license, somethi

Re: Clojure/EPL and the GPL

2009-08-29 Thread rb
On Aug 28, 4:18 pm, Matthias Benkard wrote: > On 28 Aug., 13:42, Tassilo Horn wrote: > > > I have a licensing question.  Am I allowed to include clojure.jar in a > > GPL project? > > IANAL, but if I understand the GPL correctly, it prohibits you from > distributing a GPL-covered programme that

Re: Clojure/EPL and the GPL

2009-08-29 Thread Daniel
On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 3:52 PM, Garth Sheldon-Coulson wrote: > Another option Rich could consider for Clojure is the Mozilla tri-license > (GPL/LGPL/MPL). > > http://www-archive.mozilla.org/MPL/relicensing-faq.html > > The tri-license would remove any lingering ambiguity about building GPLed > Cl

Re: Clojure/EPL and the GPL

2009-08-29 Thread Tassilo Horn
Garth Sheldon-Coulson writes: Hi Garth, > Another option Rich could consider for Clojure is the Mozilla > tri-license (GPL/LGPL/MPL). > > http://www-archive.mozilla.org/MPL/relicensing-faq.html > > The tri-license would remove any lingering ambiguity about building > GPLed Clojure projects. Wh

Re: Clojure/EPL and the GPL

2009-08-29 Thread Garth Sheldon-Coulson
Another option Rich could consider for Clojure is the Mozilla tri-license (GPL/LGPL/MPL). http://www-archive.mozilla.org/MPL/relicensing-faq.html The tri-license would remove any lingering ambiguity about building GPLed Clojure projects. But actually I believe the status quo is already quite per

Re: Clojure/EPL and the GPL

2009-08-29 Thread Tassilo Horn
Meikel Brandmeyer writes: Hi! >> perhaps this link in the FAQ for the EPL will clear things up. >> >> http://www.eclipse.org/legal/eplfaq.php#USEINANOTHER > > Wow! All but one of my Clojure projects are illegal! (They are all MIT > licensed...) Yep, but I think this doesn't apply. We wouldn't

Re: Clojure/EPL and the GPL

2009-08-29 Thread Laurent PETIT
Meikel, the situation is certainly not as bad as you think. What the "USEINANOTHER" url link states (as far as I understand) is for people for take the source coce, and RELICENSE it, changing the header and pretending that from the fork point it can be handled by another license. This indeed seems

Re: Clojure/EPL and the GPL

2009-08-29 Thread Meikel Brandmeyer
Hi, Am 29.08.2009 um 00:58 schrieb Daniel Renfer: perhaps this link in the FAQ for the EPL will clear things up. http://www.eclipse.org/legal/eplfaq.php#USEINANOTHER Wow! All but one of my Clojure projects are illegal! (They are all MIT licensed...) But I hope, that this link doesn't app

Re: Clojure/EPL and the GPL

2009-08-28 Thread Daniel Renfer
perhaps this link in the FAQ for the EPL will clear things up. http://www.eclipse.org/legal/eplfaq.php#USEINANOTHER On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 1:11 PM, Tassilo Horn wrote: > > Matthias Benkard writes: > > Hi Matthias, > >> On 28 Aug., 13:42, Tassilo Horn wrote: >>> I have a licensing question. Am

Re: Clojure/EPL and the GPL

2009-08-28 Thread Tassilo Horn
Matthias Benkard writes: Hi Matthias, > On 28 Aug., 13:42, Tassilo Horn wrote: >> I have a licensing question. Am I allowed to include clojure.jar in a >> GPL project? > > IANAL, but if I understand the GPL correctly, it prohibits you from > distributing a GPL-covered programme that is based o

Re: Clojure/EPL and the GPL

2009-08-28 Thread Matthias Benkard
On 28 Aug., 13:42, Tassilo Horn wrote: > I have a licensing question.  Am I allowed to include clojure.jar in a > GPL project? IANAL, but if I understand the GPL correctly, it prohibits you from distributing a GPL-covered programme that is based on Clojure, because it would need to be linked to