Re: JRuby article highlights some possible acceptance issues for Clojure

2008-09-07 Thread AlamedaMike
> Getting things done is cool. Yup. I've been programming for 30+ years and I've gotten too old and too cranky to tolerate a lot of bullsh*t, high ceremony, and wheel reinvention. I had high hopes for Paul Graham's Arc, but his goals are more rarified. So despite my great respect for his ideas,

Re: JRuby article highlights some possible acceptance issues for Clojure

2008-09-07 Thread AlamedaMike
> Lisp is cool.  Having a language > that's like lisp and has access to all of Java, but has more libs than > lisp and that's more dynamic than java is *way* cool. > > --Chouser To which I can only add: And having a language that also handles side- effects and thread interaction well is *extremel

Re: JRuby article highlights some possible acceptance issues for Clojure

2008-09-07 Thread AlamedaMike
> Getting things done is cool. One other point. Getting things done in Clojure and getting paid for it is cool. One of the things I like about clojure is that its easy interface to java dramatically increases its chances of industry acceptance. New technologies, to be accepted, must solve a FELT

Re: JRuby article highlights some possible acceptance issues for Clojure

2008-09-06 Thread Rich Hickey
On Sep 6, 5:11 pm, Chouser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sat, Sep 6, 2008 at 2:36 PM, Rich Hickey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > There are important differences. As you say, there's no C-Clojure. Nor > > is there (anymore) a .Net-Clojure. > > There may one day be a Clojure-for-JavaScript (Cl

Re: JRuby article highlights some possible acceptance issues for Clojure

2008-09-06 Thread Chouser
On Sat, Sep 6, 2008 at 2:36 PM, Rich Hickey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > There are important differences. As you say, there's no C-Clojure. Nor > is there (anymore) a .Net-Clojure. There may one day be a Clojure-for-JavaScript (ClojureScript?), which of course will suffer from just such problem

Re: JRuby article highlights some possible acceptance issues for Clojure

2008-09-06 Thread Rich Hickey
On Sep 6, 10:07 am, AlamedaMike <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This article: http://blog.headius.com/2008/09/elephant.html > by one of JRuby's core developers might be of interest to Clojure- > minded people (CMPs -- a name I'd like to propose for members of our > little niche of the world). He dis

JRuby article highlights some possible acceptance issues for Clojure

2008-09-06 Thread AlamedaMike
This article: http://blog.headius.com/2008/09/elephant.html by one of JRuby's core developers might be of interest to Clojure- minded people (CMPs -- a name I'd like to propose for members of our little niche of the world). He discusses the guff that JRuby has been getting from the CRuby folks. T