Re: A capital point if we don't want to loose newbies "for free"

2010-06-29 Thread Mike Meyer
On Tue, 29 Jun 2010 23:12:54 +0200 Laurent PETIT wrote: > Now ... why do newbies want bleeding edge ? There certainly is a > reason for that. Honestly, if I were a newbie, currently on June 2010, > 29th, I certainly would like the bleeding edge, after having "heard" > so much goodness about protoc

Re: A capital point if we don't want to loose newbies "for free"

2010-06-29 Thread Laurent PETIT
2010/6/29 Mike Meyer : > On Tue, 29 Jun 2010 20:54:28 +0200 > Laurent PETIT wrote: > >> ... at least it's my opinion : we should stop consider newbies are as >> excited as us by the idea of working with SNAPSHOT dependencies which >> work day A, break day B. >> >> So I think we should have no

Re: A capital point if we don't want to loose newbies "for free"

2010-06-29 Thread Mike Meyer
On Tue, 29 Jun 2010 20:54:28 +0200 Laurent PETIT wrote: > ... at least it's my opinion : we should stop consider newbies are as > excited as us by the idea of working with SNAPSHOT dependencies which > work day A, break day B. > > So I think we should have no SNAPSHOT dependencies in the Ge

Re: A capital point if we don't want to loose newbies "for free"

2010-06-29 Thread Laurent PETIT
Course, this seems ideal. But I'm pretty sure that already 80% of the value will come if we just correctly "control" what we deliver to newbies in terms of fixed dependency graph. 2010/6/29 Tim Daly : > This is a well-solved problem in open source. > > It involves keep a "gold version" of the sys

Re: A capital point if we don't want to loose newbies "for free"

2010-06-29 Thread Tim Daly
This is a well-solved problem in open source. It involves keep a "gold version" of the system on some well-known site (e.g. sourceforge) and a "silver version" on another well-known site (e.g. github). The gold version is released on a regular basis (say, once every 2 months). It is tested using

A capital point if we don't want to loose newbies "for free"

2010-06-29 Thread Laurent PETIT
... at least it's my opinion : we should stop consider newbies are as excited as us by the idea of working with SNAPSHOT dependencies which work day A, break day B. So I think we should have no SNAPSHOT dependencies in the Getting Starting docs, or transitive SNAPSHOT dependencies. We can st