Eray Aslan wrote:
On 22.04.2010 06:20, Dennis Peterson wrote:
Suggest at least one way to inform all the users successfully that
obsolete software is going to die soon - and don't let it slip past you
in your solution that the ClamAV people have know way of knowing who
they need to inform. An
Dennis Peterson wrote:
I believe that best practice with this sort of thing is to only issue
warnings and not to actually force a potentially harmful change without
*express* consent of the user.
Suggest at least one way to inform all the users successfully that
obsolete software is going to
On 22.04.2010 06:20, Dennis Peterson wrote:
> Suggest at least one way to inform all the users successfully that
> obsolete software is going to die soon - and don't let it slip past you
> in your solution that the ClamAV people have know way of knowing who
> they need to inform. And recall too, th
On 22.04.2010 06:44, Conrad Zane (Via Webmail) wrote:
> I can't believe this thread.
> This is like biting the hand that feeds.
> I upgrade Clam every time there's a new release. Across 20+ servers.
> Maybe the guys who are complaining should get into this habit too.
You are missing the point. I
On 22.4.2010 6:03, Steve Wray wrote:
> Robert Wyatt wrote:
>> Simon Hobson wrote:
>> Well, it's not the only defense that I can think of. For exactly how
>> long had this message appeared before the ClamAV engine actually died?
>>
>> LibClamAV Warning: **
I can't believe this thread.
This is like biting the hand that feeds.
I upgrade Clam every time there's a new release. Across 20+ servers.
Maybe the guys who are complaining should get into this habit too.
It's just good practice if you want a secure antivirus solution.
Do you think they are impro
On 4/21/10 8:20 PM, Dennis Peterson wrote:
know way of knowing
What the hell? Did I write that? :)
dp
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On 4/21/10 8:03 PM, Steve Wray wrote:
I believe that best practice with this sort of thing is to only issue
warnings and not to actually force a potentially harmful change without
*express* consent of the user.
Suggest at least one way to inform all the users successfully that obsolete
softw
Robert Wyatt wrote:
Simon Hobson wrote:
The **ONLY** defence I can think of is that they assumed an implicit
permission by virtue of the user running the update process to fetch
signature updates. That's a very tenuous thing to infer when pushing an
update that is so different in purpose to what
Simon Hobson wrote:
The **ONLY** defence I can think of is that they assumed an implicit
permission by virtue of the user running the update process to fetch
signature updates. That's a very tenuous thing to infer when pushing an
update that is so different in purpose to what would normally be fe
On Apr 21, 2010, at 6:19 PM, Steve Wray wrote:
Jim Preston wrote:
On Apr 21, 2010, at 5:42 PM, Steve Wray wrote:
Jim Preston wrote:
On Apr 21, 2010, at 2:48 PM, Robert Wyatt wrote:
Eray Aslan wrote:
Does anyone have access to legal opinion for a lawsuit against
clamav
developers or its par
Jim Preston wrote:
On Apr 21, 2010, at 5:42 PM, Steve Wray wrote:
Jim Preston wrote:
On Apr 21, 2010, at 2:48 PM, Robert Wyatt wrote:
Eray Aslan wrote:
Does anyone have access to legal opinion for a lawsuit against clamav
developers or its parent company? Perhaps Germany is the better place
On Apr 21, 2010, at 5:42 PM, Steve Wray wrote:
Jim Preston wrote:
On Apr 21, 2010, at 2:48 PM, Robert Wyatt wrote:
Eray Aslan wrote:
Does anyone have access to legal opinion for a lawsuit against
clamav
developers or its parent company? Perhaps Germany is the better
place
for it.
Yeah,
Jim Preston wrote:
On Apr 21, 2010, at 2:48 PM, Robert Wyatt wrote:
Eray Aslan wrote:
Does anyone have access to legal opinion for a lawsuit against clamav
developers or its parent company? Perhaps Germany is the better place
for it.
Yeah, I've got a legal opinion for you. You have no stand
On Apr 21, 2010, at 2:48 PM, Robert Wyatt wrote:
Eray Aslan wrote:
Does anyone have access to legal opinion for a lawsuit against clamav
developers or its parent company? Perhaps Germany is the better
place
for it.
Yeah, I've got a legal opinion for you. You have no standing to
recover
Eray Aslan wrote:
Does anyone have access to legal opinion for a lawsuit against clamav
developers or its parent company? Perhaps Germany is the better place
for it.
Yeah, I've got a legal opinion for you. You have no standing to
recover any damages and any suit you file would be subject to a
On Wed, 2010-04-21 at 21:19 +0100, Steve Basford wrote:
> I did see an interesting idea on the devel mailing list from David "I
> have a feature suggestion: Incorporate the version number in your
> DNS TXT records and download URLs. Your download mirrors can use
> symlinks in most cases (when ve
On 21.04.2010 22:56, Eric Rostetter wrote:
>> If they want to stop supporting it with updates, that's fine and it
>> still leaves me in control of what I run and when I update it.
>
> True. And a perfectly legitimate stance to hold. But that doesn't mean
> sourcefire/clamav has to respect that s
Christopher X. Candreva wrote:
I disagree with that statement because it's incomplete.. The purpose of this
update was to make running software break WITH A DESCRIPTIVE ERROR .
Important difference.
The alternative being breaking with an incomprehensable hex ump
I think that's sums it up...
Quoting Simon Hobson :
I'm confused - are you saying they did, or didn't shut down software
that people were running on their servers ?
I've always supported the claim that they did this. And I've always
countered the claims of the like of "shutdown my server" or "shutdown
my email" or such.
Simon--
After ~20+ postings from you on this topic, you're not saying anything new.
Unlike the poor folks running McAfee on Windows who are having their machines
rendered unbootable due to a false positive with v5958 of their database, it
would require far less effort on your part to either upd
Eric Rostetter wrote:
> Knowingly disabling running software on computers that is not your own
is not acceptable. It is immoral, unethical and perhaps illegal.
But that's not what happened.
Yes, it is what happened... People are just confused because of all
the bogus complaints like "the
Quoting Simon Hobson :
At 12:12 -0400 21/4/10, Christopher X. Candreva wrote:
> Knowingly disabling running software on computers that is not your own
is not acceptable. It is immoral, unethical and perhaps illegal.
But that's not what happened.
Yes, it is what happened... People are ju
On Wed, 21 Apr 2010, Simon Hobson wrote:
> - It is a simple fact that the purpose of this update was to make running
> software break.
I disagree with that statement because it's incomplete.. The purpose of this
update was to make running software break WITH A DESCRIPTIVE ERROR .
Important diff
At 12:12 -0400 21/4/10, Christopher X. Candreva wrote:
> Knowingly disabling running software on computers that is not your own
is not acceptable. It is immoral, unethical and perhaps illegal.
But that's not what happened.
Wierd idea of "did not happen" - in what way does "we will push a
On Wed, 21 Apr 2010, Eray Aslan wrote:
> Knowingly disabling running software on computers that is not your own
> is not acceptable. It is immoral, unethical and perhaps illegal.
But that's not what happened.
==
Chris Candreva -- ch...@we
On 21.04.2010 17:50, Christopher X. Candreva wrote:
> On Wed, 21 Apr 2010, lists wrote:
>> Doesn't change a thing. If you threaten me with a course of action, if I
>> fail to do something that is blackmail. It's nothing else. It does not
>> matter if the product is free.
>
> Oh come on. If I tell
Christopher X. Candreva wrote:
Oh come on. If I tell you you'll get wet when if you go out in the rain
without an umbrella, is that blackmail ?
OK, so if I tell you that if you keep on going out without an
umbrella, then I'll throw a bucket of acid over you ... then by your
argument that's n
On Wed, 21 Apr 2010, lists wrote:
> Doesn't change a thing. If you threaten me with a course of action, if I
> fail to do something that is blackmail. It's nothing else. It does not
> matter if the product is free.
Oh come on. If I tell you you'll get wet when if you go out in the rain
without
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