Re: [Cerowrt-devel] [Make-wifi-fast] more well funded attempts showing market demandfor better wifi

2016-06-27 Thread David Lang
On Mon, 27 Jun 2016, moeller0 wrote: Hi David, On Jun 27, 2016, at 09:44 , David Lang wrote: On Mon, 27 Jun 2016, Sebastian Moeller wrote: On a wireless network, with 'normal' omnidirctional antennas, the signal drops off with the square of the distance. So if you want to servi

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] [Make-wifi-fast] more well funded attempts showing market demandfor better wifi

2016-06-27 Thread David Lang
en mu-mimo requires some client support. David Lang ___ Cerowrt-devel mailing list Cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/cerowrt-devel

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] [Make-wifi-fast] more well funded attempts showing market demandfor better wifi

2016-06-27 Thread David Lang
lace as the AP, the AP is going to hear signals that you don't. Then consider the case where you and the other station are on opposite sides of the AP at max range. and then add cases where there is a wall between you and the other station, but the AP can hear

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] [Make-wifi-fast] more well funded attempts showing market demandfor better wifi

2016-06-27 Thread David Lang
uld be separated from the the BSSID's "carrier/energy state" signal? how do you solve the interference problem on this other band/radio? When you have other APs in the area operating, you will have the same problem there. David Lang Bob On Mon, Jun 27, 2016 at 12:40 PM, David

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] [Make-wifi-fast] more well funded attempts showing market demandfor better wifi

2016-06-27 Thread David Lang
t on the 'coordination' channel. I'm also not sure what good it would do, once a transmission has been stepped on, it will need to be re-sent (I guess you would be able to re-send immediatly) David Lang Bob On Mon, Jun 27, 2016 at 1:09 PM, David Lang wrote: On Mon, 27 J

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] [Make-wifi-fast] more well funded attempts showing market demandfor better wifi

2016-06-27 Thread David Lang
t does is impressive, given the amount things have changed since it was designed, and the fact that backwards compatibility has been maintained. David Lang Bob On Mon, Jun 27, 2016 at 2:09 PM, David Lang wrote: On Mon, 27 Jun 2016, Bob McMahon wrote: packet size is smallest udp payload per a

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] [Cake] conntrack and ipv6

2016-07-02 Thread David Lang
nd needs to be triggered by an outgoing message. It's compiled into the kernel and on by default (I fight to turn it off for Scale where I don't need to maintain state in the APs as they don't do any firewalling) David Lang Similarly I'm unfamiliar with the state of ipv6 upnp

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Turris Omnia

2016-11-06 Thread David Lang
full power/frequency range for your location. upload faster than download is unusual, but interference can cause strange issues. Get the RF right before you worry about other things. David Lang ___ Cerowrt-devel mailing list Cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferblo

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Turris Omnia

2016-11-06 Thread David Lang
On Sun, 6 Nov 2016, James Cloos wrote: "DL" == David Lang writes: DL> My first question is if you have checked that you don't have other DL> 5GHz users on the same channel in your area. Yes, The Wifi Analyzer droid app (run on my fairly high end phablet) shows onl

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Turris Omnia

2016-11-06 Thread David Lang
On Mon, 7 Nov 2016, James Cloos wrote: "DL" == David Lang writes: DL> I wonder if you are running into the problem with encryption and DL> packet re-ordering that was solved a couple months ago, try disabling DL> fq_codel or test without encryption to see if that's

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] solar wifi ap designs?

2017-06-05 Thread David Lang
On Mon, 5 Jun 2017, Richard Smith wrote: My WNDR 3700v2 power supply is rated at 12V 2.5A which is a peak of 30W. don't forget that this includes providing power out to the USB port as well. yet another reason to measure things :-) David L

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Random thought - reactions?

2017-12-15 Thread David Lang
There are two different issues here. 1. the last mile ISP plays games with the traffic for their own benefit (and thir competitors detriment) 2. the government wants to spy on everybody It's possible for the VPN tunnel providers to solve problem #1 without solving problem #2 k

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Spectre and EBPF JIT

2018-01-05 Thread David Lang
He does a good job of explaining these high provile vulnerabilities. On Fri, 5 Jan 2018, Jonathan Morton wrote: On 5 Jan, 2018, at 5:35 pm, dpr...@deepplum.com wrote: Of course the "press" wants everyone to be superafraid, so if they can say "KVM is affected" that causes the mob to start runn

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] fq_pie for linux

2018-12-06 Thread David Lang
On Thu, 6 Dec 2018, Dave Taht wrote: Toke Høiland-Jørgensen writes: Dave Taht writes: https://github.com/gautamramk/FQ-PIE-for-Linux-Kernel/issues/2 With all the variants of fq+AQM, maybe decoupling the FQ part and the AQM part would be worthwhile, instead of reimplementing it for each v

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] I so love seeing stuff like this

2019-02-01 Thread David Lang
well, it's one guy at Marvell who does it in his spare time, nobody else has the info to be able to work on it. I'm working on the c2600 as my replacement for the wndr3800. I tried the C7 but it's not really much better than the wndr38

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] I so love seeing stuff like this

2019-02-02 Thread David Lang
On Sat, 2 Feb 2019, Mikael Abrahamsson wrote: On Fri, 1 Feb 2019, David Lang wrote: I had high hopes for these, but the driver development is not working well, it's one guy at Marvell who does it in his spare time, nobody else has the info to be able to work on it. It's the w

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] [Cake] mo bettah open source multi-party videoconferncing in an age of bloated uplinks?

2020-03-27 Thread David Lang
w your UDP application have a chance to operate. David Lang ___ Cerowrt-devel mailing list Cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/cerowrt-devel

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Looking for MORE SQM Router Recommendations !

2021-03-16 Thread David Lang
This is using the compute module, that does not have any on-board ports so it's 2 Gig ports total David Lang ___ Cerowrt-devel mailing list Cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/cerowrt-devel

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] [Make-wifi-fast] wireguard almost takes a bullet

2021-03-30 Thread David Lang
ng for a specific company (avoiding even the appearance of bias) but it's morphed to present at least the appearance of special access. David Lang On Tue, 30 Mar 2021, David P. Reed wrote: Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2021 21:23:50 -0400 (EDT) From: David P. Reed To: Theodore Ts'o Cc: Make-Wifi

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Fwd: geeks, internet

2021-03-31 Thread David Lang
) My sister is in rural Michigan and the best she can get is 2M (until starlink), with 3 kids doing remote learning and her teaching. Not great, but they survived 2020 with it. yes, more is nice, but saying that 100Mb is not enough is ignoring the huge population that isn't getting 1/10

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] [Cake] [Bloat] Little's Law mea culpa, but not invalidating my main point

2021-07-12 Thread David Lang
I have seen some performance tests that do explicit DNS timing tests separate from other throughput/latency tests. Since DNS uses UDP (even if it then falls back to TCP in some cases), UDP performance (and especially probability of loss at congested links) is very important. David Lang On

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] [Cake] [Make-wifi-fast] [Starlink] Due Aug 2: Internet Quality workshop CFP for the internet architecture board

2021-08-02 Thread David Lang
station B cannot hear station A 3. station A can hear that station B is transmitting, but not with a strong enough signal to decode the signal (yes in theory you can work around interference, but in practice interference is still a real thing) David Lang

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] [Cake] [Make-wifi-fast] [Starlink] Due Aug 2: Internet Quality workshop CFP for the internet architecture board

2021-08-02 Thread David Lang
transmitting at much lower power levels than it cn decode the signal. David Lang On Mon, 2 Aug 2021, Bob McMahon wrote: On Mon, Aug 2, 2021 at 4:16 PM David Lang wrote: If you are going to setup a test environment for wifi, you need to include the ability to make a fe cases that only happen with RF

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] [Cake] [Make-wifi-fast] [Starlink] Due Aug 2: Internet Quality workshop CFP for the internet architecture board

2021-08-02 Thread David Lang
are corner cases. you don't need to include them in every test, but you need to have a way to configure your lab to include them before you consider any settings/algorithm ready to try in the wild. David Lang On Mon, 2 Aug 2021, Bob McMahon wrote: We find four nodes, a primary BSS and an ad

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] [Cake] [Make-wifi-fast] [Starlink] Due Aug 2: Internet Quality workshop CFP for the internet architecture board

2021-08-02 Thread David Lang
djust it's receive sensitivity. David Lang On Mon, 2 Aug 2021, Bob McMahon wrote: Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2021 20:23:06 -0700 From: Bob McMahon To: David Lang Cc: Ben Greear , Luca Muscariello , Cake List , Make-Wifi-fast , Leonard Kleinrock , starl...@lists.bufferbloat.n

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] [Cake] [Make-wifi-fast] [Starlink] Due Aug 2: Internet Quality workshop CFP for the internet architecture board

2021-08-02 Thread David Lang
I agree that we don't want to make perfect the enemy of better. A lot of the issues I'm calling out can be simulated/enhanced with different power levels. over wifi distances, I don't think time delays are going to be noticable (we're talking 10s to low 100s of feet, not

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] [Starlink] Anhyone have a spare couple a hundred million ... Elon may need to start a go-fund-me page!

2021-08-10 Thread David Lang
nding out money, SpaceX is foolish not to apply for it. David Lang On Tue, 10 Aug 2021, Jeremy Austin wrote: Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2021 12:33:11 -0800 From: Jeremy Austin To: dick...@alum.mit.edu Cc: Cake List , Make-Wifi-fast , Bob McMahon , starl...@lists.bufferbloat.net,

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] [Bloat] Little's Law mea culpa, but not invalidating my main point

2021-09-19 Thread David Lang
On Mon, 20 Sep 2021, Valdis Klētnieks wrote: On Sun, 19 Sep 2021 18:21:56 -0700, Dave Taht said: what actually happens during a web page load, I'm pretty sure that nobody actually understands that anymore, in any more than handwaving levels. This is my favorite interview question, it's amaz

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] [Bloat] uplink bufferbloat and scheduling problems

2021-12-01 Thread David Lang
with 802.11ac, the difference between uplink and downlink is that the AP can transmit to multiple users at the same time (multiple signals spacially multiplexed), but the users transmit back one at a time. David Lang On Wed, 1 Dec 2021, David P. Reed wrote: What's the difference be

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] [Bloat] uplink bufferbloat and scheduling problems

2021-12-01 Thread David Lang
itted individually, that's about one packet (insert hand waving about scheduling delays, etc). but with wifi where you can transmit multiple packets in one airtime slot, you need enough buffer to handle the entire burst. David Lang ___ Cerowrt-dev

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] [Bloat] uplink bufferbloat and scheduling problems

2021-12-02 Thread David Lang
On Thu, 2 Dec 2021, Toke Høiland-Jørgensen wrote: "Valdis Klētnieks" writes: On Wed, 01 Dec 2021 13:09:46 -0800, David Lang said: with wifi where you can transmit multiple packets in one airtime slot, you need enough buffer to handle the entire burst. OK, I'll bite... r

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] 10gige and 2.5gige

2021-12-16 Thread David Lang
another valuable featur of fiber for home use is that fiber can't contribute to ground loops the way that copper cables can. and for the paranoid (like me :-) ) fiber also means that any electrical disaster that happens to one end won't propgate through and fry other equipment Davi

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] cerowrt-next plans

2012-11-23 Thread David Lang
Playing Devil's advocate here. Why do you need IPV6 for HAM use (other than the fact that it's new). There aren't enough users to exhaust the IPv4 address space, and the packets are larger so they take more airtime. David Lang AG6AH On Fri, 23 Nov 2012, dpr...@reed.com wro

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] [Bloat] FQ_Codel lwn draft article review

2012-11-27 Thread David Lang
On Tue, 27 Nov 2012, Jim Gettys wrote: 2) "fairness" is not necessarily what we ultimately want at all; you'd really like to penalize those who induce congestion the most. But we don't currently have a solution (though Bob Briscoe at BT thinks he does, and is seeing if he can get it out from un

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] More sanely debloating wifi aggregates

2012-12-13 Thread David Lang
both among the best price/performance and with device hacking supported. I haven't looked into the chipsets (I just recieved my Nexus 10) David Lang ___ Cerowrt-devel mailing list Cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net https://lists.bufferbloat.ne

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] supplies of the wndr3800 seem to be drying up

2012-12-17 Thread David Lang
even called Netgear in my research, and while they are completely out of stock, they do not show the 3800 as being end of life yet, so this could be a temporary gap. David Lang ___ Cerowrt-devel mailing list Cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net https://lists

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] WNDR3700v4 is out...

2012-12-22 Thread David Lang
cking with kernel compile options. If someone is willing to coach me through the process, I'd be happy to do the experimentation. David Lang ___ Cerowrt-devel mailing list Cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/cerowrt-devel

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] WNDR3700v4 is out...

2012-12-23 Thread David Lang
On Sun, 23 Dec 2012, Dave Taht wrote: On Sun, Dec 23, 2012 at 2:27 AM, David Lang wrote: On Thu, 20 Dec 2012, Richard Brown wrote: The wndr3700v4 is out, and appears to be a good hardware upgrade from the 3800 series, but it's not supported by openwrt yet. I took a look at their GPL s

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] WNDR3700v4 is out...

2012-12-23 Thread David Lang
I'm actually looking for low power devices, I need to put a lot of them in a small area, so I'll be turning the power down about as far as it will go. I'll look over their devices David Lang On Sun, 23 Dec 2012, Outback Dingo wrote: Ubiquiti has quite a list of products tha

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] WNDR3700v4 is out...

2012-12-23 Thread David Lang
In looking at their products, they seem to have almost nothing that's dual band, am I missing something? David Lang On Sun, 23 Dec 2012, Dave Taht wrote: I wouldn't mind adding explicit support for ubiquity's in-home pro

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] WNDR3700v4 is out...

2012-12-23 Thread David Lang
On Sun, 23 Dec 2012, Dave Taht wrote: On Sun, Dec 23, 2012 at 11:14 AM, David Lang wrote: In looking at their products, they seem to have almost nothing that's dual band, am I missing something? Nope. I went single channel for the yurtlab backbone in part because I wanted "har

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] WNDR3700v4 is out...

2013-01-03 Thread David Lang
still working on this, but openwrt has gained support for the WNDR4300, and reports are that it appears that it's the same board as the WNDR3700v4. The 4300 is selling for ~$130 so it's a viable option, even if the 3700v4 falls through. David Lang On Sun, 23 Dec 2012, Dave Taht w

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] breaking off a port off the vlan correctly?

2013-01-05 Thread David Lang
be untagged on that port As an example, here is the config of the 3800 I'm using right now remember that the logical number of the switch ports is backwards from the physical number (I like to use ports 1/4 on one vlan and 2/3 on a different one so that I don't have to keep track) Let

[Cerowrt-devel] 3800 availability

2013-01-06 Thread David Lang
I found that there are several vendors selling through Amazon who have noticable quantities (30+) of the factory refurbished 3800 routers, selling for around $80 each. As the supplies are drying up rapidly, anyone wanting one should move quickly. David Lang

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] fq_codel through Tor

2013-01-19 Thread David Lang
On Sat, 19 Jan 2013, Dave Taht wrote: https://srv1.openwireless.org/pipermail/tech/2012-December/000332.html I haven't the foggiest idea what this traffic would look like. Is it even possible to induce bufferbloat through tor? with your packets bouncing through so many systems there are sure

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] deployed some cero this weekend, chasing checksums

2013-01-28 Thread David Lang
depending on your hardware, you may be seeing bogus checksums in outbound packets, but the packets on the wire have valid checksums because the hardware computes the checksums and sets them. I know I've run into this one before when doing load testing. David Lang On Mon, 28 Jan 2013, R

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] packet capture hardware

2013-02-04 Thread David Lang
On Mon, 4 Feb 2013, Dave Taht wrote: I think there is also a market need for something that can be an analysis box/home router that can also do captures at typical rates in the home (20-30Mbit), but that's still just above what a wndr3800 can do when last I tried. (it's mostly bound by the usb i

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Switch Issue

2013-02-20 Thread David Lang
you have vlans disabled in this config "option enable_vlan 0" if you want to use vlans > 15 you need "option enable_vlan4k 1" as well David Lang On Wed, 20 Feb 2013, Maciej Soltysiak wrote: Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 20:17:19 +0100 From: Maciej Soltysiak To: William Kat

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] tp-link 4300 evaluation

2013-05-27 Thread David Lang
t. I've seen reports of people getting it to run from an initramfs, but this means that no settings can be preserved across reboot. If you've seen anything different, I'd be very interested to hear about it (I picked up a 3700v4 and a couple 4300's for testing) David

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] tp-link 4300 evaluation

2013-05-27 Thread David Lang
e GPL source for the kernel available from Netgear, I'm a little puzzled that we are having to reverse engineer this instead of working from the source. Even if the first version was little more than a cut-n-paste of the netgear butchered driver until people have time to analyse it fully. Da

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] cerowrt security

2013-10-22 Thread David Lang
well, DeLorm and other map companies have had Serial/USB/Bluetooth GPS receivers available for a long time. David Lang probably not quite what you were thinking of, but funt On Tue, 22 Oct 2013, Richard E. Brown wrote: On Oct 22, 2013, at 7:59 AM, Toke Høiland-Jørgensen wrote: A way to

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] [Bloat] In loving memory of Dave Täht <3

2025-04-01 Thread David Lang via Cerowrt-devel
He will be missed. As a practical question, what is going to happen to all of these lists, etc that he has been hosting? David Lang On Tue, 1 Apr 2025, Frantisek Borsik via Bloat wrote: Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2025 19:27:36 +0200 From: Frantisek Borsik via Bloat Reply-To: Frantisek Borsik To

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