Re: [Cerowrt-devel] VDSL

2014-01-11 Thread Aaron Wood
ured IP rate) AND use the link layer adaption settings? (85-90% of bandwidth) or - rely on the LLA settings to do the overhead, and shape to just a tiny bit under the reported line rate? (95-99% of bandwidth) Thanks, - Aaron Wood On Sat, Jan 11, 2014 at 8:06 PM, Rich Brown wrote: > Hi Sebas

[Cerowrt-devel] Managed to break 802.11n (on a 3800)

2014-01-16 Thread Aaron Wood
All, I'm noting this here in case anyone is interested. After I write this up, I'm going to start from scratch on the configuration, and factory-reset the router. = The 5GHz radio on my 3800 seems to be in a very odd state. I'm not quire sure what state it's in, but it seems to be only doi

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Managed to break 802.11n (on a 3800)

2014-01-16 Thread Aaron Wood
/:00:12.0' option htmode 'HT40+' list ht_capab 'SHORT-GI-40' list ht_capab 'TX-STBC' list ht_capab 'RX-STBC1' list ht_capab 'DSSS_CCK-40' option txpower '17' option country 'FR' -Aaron On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 4:

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Managed to break 802.11n (on a 3800)

2014-01-16 Thread Aaron Wood
> > > The 5GHz radio on my 3800 seems to be in a very odd state. I'm not > quire sure what state it's in, but it seems to be only doing HT20 1x1. And > in a fairly broken manner at that. > > > > Running the rrul test (over wifi directly to the router as the > netserver), tcp uploads were 25Mbps o

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Managed to break 802.11n (on a 3800)

2014-01-16 Thread Aaron Wood
>> Sebastian, after sorting out the router, it's still biased, but far >> less >> so, about a 2:1 ratio between upload and download. > > So I See offen 10:1 and worse @165Mbit/s raw wireless rate I get mixed results, but they aren't good. IIRC, apple really changed something about the media ac

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Managed to break 802.11n (on a 3800)

2014-01-16 Thread Aaron Wood
On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 9:10 PM, Sebastian Moeller wrote: > Hi Aaron, > > I just checked again and I get crazy results for both RRUL and > RRUL_NOCLASSIFICATION: > Yes, those look a like my results (after having gotten things running). When broken, it was still imbalanced, but the overall spe

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] a new chipset and elsewhere a review of streamboost

2014-01-24 Thread Aaron Wood
It would be interesting to see what streamboost gains on top of just fq_codel. Since it appears that they are doing so fairly heavy-handed traffic shaping. -Aaron On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 12:48 PM, Dave Taht wrote: > An interesting new chipset: > > > http://www.anandtech.com/show/7526/qualcomm

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] procd support for core daemons?

2014-01-25 Thread Aaron Wood
> > of the other commonly installed ones, there are samba, openwrt, > strongswan and ipsec, that I know of. All these are packages that > haven't been installed or tested for a while (by me, anyway)... > I have strongswan running on my 3800 with v3.10.24-8. I've found some interesting results com

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] On tuning sqm for a cable service rated 24 down/4 up

2014-01-25 Thread Aaron Wood
Thanks for sharing these, especially because it becomes clear how the various traffic classes should behave (BK and EF in particular) -Aaron Sent from my iPhone On Jan 25, 2014, at 21:52, Dave Taht wrote: > Notes and graphs here: > > http://snapon.lab.bufferbloat.net/~cero2/jimreisert/result

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] going back to the default multicast rate on wifi

2014-02-10 Thread Aaron Wood
On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 7:39 PM, Sebastian Moeller wrote: > Hi Dave, > > On Feb 10, 2014, at 18:48 , Dave Taht wrote: > > I don't think this has anything to do with the the ht40+ MCS15 problem > at 5ghz. > I'm getting 40MHz (MCS13 at the moment, often MCS15) on ch 36, country-code FR (but that

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] going back to the default multicast rate on wifi

2014-02-11 Thread Aaron Wood
> > I'm getting 40MHz (MCS13 at the moment, often MCS15) on ch 36, > country-code FR (but that was expected, right?) > I'm also able to get 40MHz operation ch 44. Putting the radio onto channel 40, however, disabled it: Tue Feb 11 12:22:11 2014 daemon.notice netifd: radio1 (1046): Configuration

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] going back to the default multicast rate on wifi

2014-02-11 Thread Aaron Wood
On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 2:34 PM, Aaron Wood wrote: > Remembering that HT40+ and ch 48 weren't allowed, I tried to switch to >> HT40-. And... now it's really borked up. The luci ui won't give me any >> options other than client mode on 48 or auto. I'm go

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] more steps forward

2014-02-22 Thread Aaron Wood
Let me know when this is in a build, and I'll test it here. -Aaron On Sat, Feb 22, 2014 at 12:55 AM, Sebastian Moeller wrote: > Hi Dave, > > so I reshuffled my todo list a bit and finished the exposure of limit and > target in the GUI. For target, the string auto will use the curve you > recen

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Equivocal results with using 3.10.28-14

2014-02-24 Thread Aaron Wood
Do you have the latest (head) version of netperf and netperf-wrapper? some changes were made to both that give better UDP results. -Aaron On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 3:36 PM, Rich Brown wrote: > > CeroWrt 3.10.28-14 is doing a good job of keeping latency low. But... it > has two other effects: >

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Equivocal results with using 3.10.28-14

2014-02-24 Thread Aaron Wood
Rich, One thing that helped considerably on my my DSL link (21000/1200), was turning on the Link Layer Adaptation. With that, and efq_codel, I've been very happy with the (nearly non-existent) latency. Yeah, I lost a couple percent off the top, but the behavior is better. Although I was startin

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Better results from CeroWrt 3.10.28-16

2014-03-02 Thread Aaron Wood
Is there a writeup on each of the fq_codel variants? -Aaron Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 2, 2014, at 22:41, Dave Taht wrote: > > Nice work! > > I have a problem in that I can't remember if target autotuning made it > into that release or not. > > Coulde you do a tc -s qdisc show dev ge00 on

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] netperf-wrapper on osx?

2014-03-21 Thread Aaron Wood
yes. I've been meaning to write this up. here's the quick version (as it's very late in Paris): I followed these instructions, but ran into issues: http://www.tschofenig.priv.at/wp/?p=963 - fping3 is needed (it's in Homebrew) - netperf doesn't compile by default with the clang compiler, the sta

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] DNSSEC & NTP Bootstrapping

2014-03-23 Thread Aaron Wood
> > > The ntp servers queried presently largely are not dnssec signed, so > > the ntp queries > > should succeed (I think?) in the general case. However, for > > robustness, I'd argue for enhancing the ntp startup script to > > temporarily disable dnssec until it gets a valid time, and then > > ena

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] DNSSEC & NTP Bootstrapping

2014-03-23 Thread Aaron Wood
On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 12:15 PM, Toke Høiland-Jørgensen wrote: > Aaron Wood writes: > > > or we find a way to have long-lived dnssec entries. > > Is the timing controllable somehow? I.e. would it be possible to set up > a special domain name with a really long-lived key

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] DNSSEC & NTP Bootstrapping

2014-03-24 Thread Aaron Wood
> > The ., org. keys are not going to grow multiple year expiries, so we need > our > own thing to cache. One could cache the DNSKEY for bufferbloat.net along > with the root zone keys... then lookup ntp.bufferbloat.net. It would have > to > return a A/ records, because chasing a CNAME into nt

[Cerowrt-devel] 3.10.32-12: very nice, but odd dns requests

2014-03-25 Thread Aaron Wood
Yesterday, I upgraded to 3.10.32-12 (rrul results coming soon, it's a big improvement over 3.10.24-8, though I'm not sure why, exactly). This morning I turned on dns request logging, since I wanted to keep a better eye on the dnssec results (and so that I had some short-term forensic trails in cas

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] speedtest.sh script available

2014-03-25 Thread Aaron Wood
Nice! It gives me what I'd expect for my setup, although the TCP rate is only 2/3 the line rate on DSL (upload is better at 80%). .. Download: 14.09 Mbps Latency: (in msec, 62 pings, 0.00% packet loss) Min: 30.157 10pct: 30

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] speedtest.sh script available

2014-03-25 Thread Aaron Wood
.tohojo.dk which is much closer to you. > > (ping times between there and rich's server would be good to have) > > > > On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 9:09 AM, Aaron Wood wrote: > > Nice! It gives me what I'd expect for my setup, although the TCP rate is >

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] odhcp6c went crazy flooding Comcast with DHCPv6 SOLICITs

2014-03-26 Thread Aaron Wood
I also don't consider the ntp/dnssec issue a blocker, not at the moment. It's a larger problem to solve, and one that needs solving in a wider context than just CeroWRT, and so we should keep working on a solution, but not make it a "release blocking" issue. It's a known issue, a known bit of res

[Cerowrt-devel] 3.10.32-12 results on Free.fr

2014-03-27 Thread Aaron Wood
Dave had asked about results from .32-12 on DSL, and in particular how pie was fairing on dsl. I finally was able to setup a clean test env yesterday, and ran a bunch of tests. Results: http://burntchrome.blogspot.com/2014/03/cerowrt-31032-12-sqm-comparison-on.html Takeaways: - I'm still droppi

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Fwd: wndr3800 replacement

2014-03-27 Thread Aaron Wood
On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 11:11 PM, David Lang wrote: > If the openwrt folks could figure out how they are going to deal with NAND > flash, it would be nice to be able to use one of the many routers that is > shipping with more flash (128M in the newer netgear routers would be nice) > > if I were t

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Fwd: wndr3800 replacement

2014-03-28 Thread Aaron Wood
On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 9:36 AM, Mikael Abrahamsson wrote: > On Thu, 27 Mar 2014, David Lang wrote: > > using a 3800 or similarly priced ($100-$150 USD) device that's readily >> available is very good for the second category, the question is if we can >> find one that's powerful enough for the fi

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Issues with 5ghz after a couple of days' uptime

2014-03-28 Thread Aaron Wood
As a contra-datapoint: 4d uptime here, but without any ipv6. A couple GB of data, both WAN<->internal, and between 5GHz devices (pushing to an AppleTV). No real traffic between 2.4 and 5GHz, though. WPA2 on all interfaces (babel and guest interfaces are disabled). -Aaron On Fri, Mar 28, 2014

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Fwd: wndr3800 replacement

2014-03-28 Thread Aaron Wood
On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 8:39 PM, Dave Taht wrote: > On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 11:40 AM, Michael Richardson > wrote: > > > > Mikael Abrahamsson wrote: > > > I also think that it'll be very hard to find a box that is decently > > > priced > > > that also will do gig speeds *and* will do

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] 3.10.32-12 results on Free.fr

2014-04-01 Thread Aaron Wood
On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 8:21 PM, Dave Taht wrote: > On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 3:21 AM, Aaron Wood wrote: > > Dave had asked about results from .32-12 on DSL, and in particular how > pie > > was fairing on dsl. I finally was able to setup a clean test env > yesterday, > &g

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] cerowrt-3.10.34-4 dev build released

2014-04-03 Thread Aaron Wood
Up for 10 days on 3.10.32-12 (WNDR3800). Only have 2 devices that run 2.4GHz, and it's only seen 2GB of traffic on SW00 in that time... The 5GHz radio has had >5GB of traffic on it in the same time. No problems at all. -Aaron On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 12:51 AM, Maxim Kharlamov wrote: > The las

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] cerowrt-3.10.34-4 dev build released

2014-04-03 Thread Aaron Wood
On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 12:56 AM, Aaron Wood wrote: > Up for 10 days on 3.10.32-12 (WNDR3800). Only have 2 devices that run > 2.4GHz, and it's only seen 2GB of traffic on SW00 in that time... The 5GHz > radio has had >5GB of traffic on it in the same time. No problems at a

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] cerowrt-3.10.34-4 dev build released

2014-04-04 Thread Aaron Wood
On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 12:58 AM, Dave Taht wrote: > On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 3:57 PM, Aaron Wood wrote: > > On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 12:56 AM, Aaron Wood wrote: > >> > >> Up for 10 days on 3.10.32-12 (WNDR3800). Only have 2 devices that run > >> 2.4GHz, and i

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] cerowrt-3.10.36-4 released

2014-04-11 Thread Aaron Wood
David, I've been using both nfq and fq with a 16/1 DSL line, and never run into it, but most of my traffic is on the 5GHz radio, not the 2.4GHz radio. -Aaron On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 11:50 AM, David Personette wrote: > I just thought of it now, but at Dave's suggestion (because of having a > DSL

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Full blown DNSSEC by default?

2014-04-14 Thread Aaron Wood
> > So far as I know the caching functionality in dnsmasq in that instance > is disabled due to fears about cache poisoning, that I don't fully > understand. My half understood fear translates into equivalent fears > for other local dns daemons. Which isn't near the issue that application-level c

[Cerowrt-devel] segfault in radio configuration

2014-04-15 Thread Aaron Wood
cero 3.10.32-12, on a 3800 I had a power outage (power strip bumped), and the wndr rebooted, and came up without wireless radios running. I ssh'd in and found this in the logs: Wed Mar 26 14:33:41 2014 user.notice root: ingress shaping activated Wed Mar 26 14:33:41 2014 kern.info kernel: [ 27.

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] segfault in radio configuration

2014-04-15 Thread Aaron Wood
On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 9:49 PM, Dave Taht wrote: > There were several segfault bugs fixed in netifd since that release. > There was also an issue with correctly parsing the wireless regdb. > Please upgrade. What's the recommended version? > You've got heartbleed, too. > Only visible to me,

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Network behavior of Moca bridges

2014-04-15 Thread Aaron Wood
In about 2 months, I'll have my hands on some HomePlugAV devices that I can do extensive testing with. My previous tests were showing very, very large bufferbloat, when used on poor links (2000ms of buffering and growing over a 1-2 minute rrul test that wasn't able to get over 10Mbps due to SF Vic

[Cerowrt-devel] First DNSSEC failure with CeroWRT

2014-04-19 Thread Aaron Wood
One of the many servers involved with BofA's online banking: Sat Apr 19 09:37:37 2014 daemon.info dnsmasq[29719]: using nameserver 8.8.4.4#53 Sat Apr 19 09:37:37 2014 daemon.info dnsmasq[29719]: using nameserver 8.8.8.8#53 Sat Apr 19 09:37:37 2014 daemon.info dnsmasq[29719]: using local addresses

[Cerowrt-devel] comcast provisioned rates?

2014-04-19 Thread Aaron Wood
I'm setting up new service in the US, and I'm currently assuming that all of Comcast's rates are "boosted" rates, not the "provisioned" rates. So if they quote 50/10Mbps, I assume that's not what will need to be set in SQM with CeroWRT. Does anyone have good info on the "provisioned" rates that g

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] comcast provisioned rates?

2014-04-19 Thread Aaron Wood
s of the numbers? > It's probably too much to ask for Comcast to go on the record with a > precise definition. > > > > > > On Saturday, April 19, 2014 8:55am, "Aaron Wood" said: > > I'm setting up new service in the US, and I'm currently assuming that

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] First DNSSEC failure with CeroWRT

2014-04-19 Thread Aaron Wood
pear that this is >> indeed a bogus DS. >> >> http://dnssec-debugger.verisignlabs.com/sso-fi.bankofamerica.com >> >>> On Sat, Apr 19, 2014 at 2:43 AM, Aaron Wood wrote: >>> One of the many servers involved with BofA's online banking: >>> &

[Cerowrt-devel] more dnssec failures

2014-04-23 Thread Aaron Wood
Wed Apr 23 15:13:05 2014 daemon.info dnsmasq[29719]: query[A] e3191.dscc.akamaiedge.net.0.1.cn.akamaiedge.net from 172.30.42.99 Wed Apr 23 15:13:05 2014 daemon.info dnsmasq[29719]: forwarded e3191.dscc.akamaiedge.net.0.1.cn.akamaiedge.net to 8.8.8.8 Wed Apr 23 15:13:05 2014 daemon.info dnsmasq[2971

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] [Dnsmasq-discuss] more dnssec failures

2014-04-23 Thread Aaron Wood
On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 6:44 PM, Robert Bradley wrote: > > > ; <<>> DiG 9.8.1-P1 <<>> +cd @8.8.8.8 a > > e3191.dscc.akamaiedge.net.0.1.cn.akamaiedge.net > > > > > But a query for DS on the same domain, which is what dnsmasq does next, > > returns SERVFAIL, _even_with_ checking disabled. > > > > ;

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] [Dnsmasq-discuss] more dnssec failures

2014-04-24 Thread Aaron Wood
On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 5:58 PM, Simon Kelley wrote: > On 23/04/14 16:42, Dave Taht wrote: > > I will argue that a better place to report dnssec validation > > errors is the dnsmasq list. > > > > On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 8:31 AM, Aaron Wood wrote: > >>

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] [Dnsmasq-discuss] more dnssec failures

2014-04-24 Thread Aaron Wood
Well, I'm seeing the same results as you are from here in Paris (using Free.fr). -Aaron On Thu, Apr 24, 2014 at 1:27 PM, Simon Kelley wrote: > On 24/04/14 11:49, Aaron Wood wrote: > > > > >> Dnsmasq does the DS query next because the answer to the A query comes >

[Cerowrt-devel] local dns-sd requests being forwarded to upstream servers on CeroWRT?

2014-04-24 Thread Aaron Wood
Using CeroWRT 3.10.36-4, I'm seeing the following in the logs: Thu Apr 24 14:15:14 2014 daemon.info dnsmasq[13365]: query[PTR] b._dns-sd._udp.96.42.30.172.in-addr.arpa from 172.30.42.99 Thu Apr 24 14:15:14 2014 daemon.info dnsmasq[13365]: forwarded b._dns-sd._udp.96.42.30.172.in-addr.arpa to 8.8.8

[Cerowrt-devel] Had to disable dnssec today

2014-04-26 Thread Aaron Wood
Just too many sites aren't working correctly with dnsmasq and using Google's DNS servers. - Bank of America (sso-fi.bankofamerica.com) - Weather Underground (cdnjs.cloudflare.com) - Akamai (e3191.dscc.akamaiedge.net.0.1.cn.akamaiedge.net) And I'm not getting any traction with reporting the errors

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Had to disable dnssec today

2014-04-26 Thread Aaron Wood
ocess is going to be more tricky, because > dnsmasq is easily dismissed as too small a proportion of the market to > care. (wish it were not so). > > > > On Saturday, April 26, 2014 7:38am, "Aaron Wood" said: > > Just too many sites aren't working correctly

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] [Dnsmasq-discuss] Problems with DNSsec on Comcast, with Cero 3.10.38-1/DNSmasq 4-26-2014

2014-04-28 Thread Aaron Wood
This timeout, I'm guessing this is older/naive setups that aren't expecting to support DNSSEC, and thought "over-securing" their setup, have managed to break the non-existence-proof process? -Aaron On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 9:32 PM, Simon Kelley wrote: ... > Neither of authoritative nameservers f

[Cerowrt-devel] Looking for a Europe-based netperf server to test against

2014-04-29 Thread Aaron Wood
I'm doing some tests (playing with some new tests for netperf-wrapper), and my usual test server appears to be down (Toke's server). And Dave's server at bufferbloat.net is _way_ too far away at 180ms (and I get really uneven bandwidth to there). And feel free to reply off-list if you don't want

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] [Bloat] [aqm] the side effects of 330ms lag in the real world

2014-04-29 Thread Aaron Wood
On Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at 5:46 PM, Dave Taht wrote: > > Yes, but as soon as you hit the long distance network the latency is the > > same regardless of access method. So while I agree that understanding the > > effect of latency is important, it's no longer a meaningful way of > selling > > fiber

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Had to disable dnssec today

2014-05-16 Thread Aaron Wood
Now that I'm on Comcast, I'm going to try it again. -Aaron On Fri, May 16, 2014 at 8:25 PM, Stephen Hemminger < step...@networkplumber.org> wrote: > On Sat, 26 Apr 2014 13:38:08 +0200 > Aaron Wood wrote: > > > Just too many sites aren't working correctly

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] SEO question

2014-05-27 Thread Aaron Wood
I _think_ it was the comcast keyword. That or a +1 by Yonatan Zunger (Google+ lead), which got implicitly shared to a wider audience... I'm glad to have gotten us some visibility into this (I started revising for clarity as the exposure increased). btw, I'm about to do those tests with PIE you a

[Cerowrt-devel] pie vs. fq - no contest

2014-05-27 Thread Aaron Wood
http://burntchrome.blogspot.com/2014/05/i-dont-like-this-pie-more-bufferbloat.html PIE certain is better than nothing. But it's no fq_codel. All I varied between the two is the queuing discipline, with the PIE target (both directions) set to 16ms. not impressed. But, far better than pie did wh

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Upper routing throughput limit

2014-07-10 Thread Aaron Wood
It depends on the aqm rules that are configured. In the base setup, it struggles at 50Mbps. But that can be increased by switching from the simple.qos script to simplest.qos (I'm not sure where the limit is with the simplest.qos script. I know that Dave Taht has been working with some other plat

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] [Bloat] still trying to find hardware for the next generation worth hacking on

2014-08-18 Thread Aaron Wood
http://www.gateworks.com/product/item/ventana-gw5310-network-processor Out of price range in single units, but I don't know where the price breaks kick in. Dual-core 800MHz ARM should be plenty of power for the GigE ports. I think to get any sort of platform like this by a major vendor, we're lo

[Cerowrt-devel] Comcast upped service levels -> WNDR3800 can't cope...

2014-08-29 Thread Aaron Wood
Comcast has upped the download rates in my area, from 50Mbps to 100Mbps. This morning I tried to find the limit of the WNDR3800. And I found it. 50Mbps is still well within capabilities, 100Mbps isn't. And as I've seen Dave say previously, it's right around 80Mbps total (download + upload). ht

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] [Bloat] Comcast upped service levels -> WNDR3800 can't cope...

2014-08-30 Thread Aaron Wood
On Fri, Aug 29, 2014 at 11:06 AM, Dave Taht wrote: > On Fri, Aug 29, 2014 at 9:57 AM, Aaron Wood wrote: > > Comcast has upped the download rates in my area, from 50Mbps to 100Mbps. > > This morning I tried to find the limit of the WNDR3800. And I found it. > > 50Mbps

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] [Bloat] Comcast upped service levels -> WNDR3800 can't cope...

2014-09-01 Thread Aaron Wood
> > But this doesn't really answer the question of why the WNDR has so much > lower a ceiling with shaping than without. The G4 is powerful enough that > the overhead of shaping simply disappears next to the overhead of shoving > data around. Even when I turn up the shaping knob to a value quite

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] [Bloat] Comcast upped service levels -> WNDR3800 can't cope...

2014-09-01 Thread Aaron Wood
Luckily, I don't mind being wrong (or even _way_ off the mark). I don't think that's it. > > First a nitpick: the PowerBook version of the late-model G4 (7447A) > doesn't have the external L3 cache interface, so it only has the 256KB or > 512KB internal L2 cache (I forget which). The desktop ver

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] [Bloat] Comcast upped service levels -> WNDR3800 can't cope...

2014-09-02 Thread Aaron Wood
> > What this makes me realize is that I should go instrument the cpu stats > with each of the various operating modes: > > * no shaping, anywhere > * egress shaping > * egress and ingress shaping at various limited levels: > * 10Mbps > * 20Mbps > * 50Mbps > * 100Mbps > So I set th

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] [Bloat] Comcast upped service levels -> WNDR3800 can't cope...

2014-09-03 Thread Aaron Wood
On Wed, Sep 3, 2014 at 4:08 AM, Jonathan Morton wrote: > Given that the CPU load is confirmed as high, the pcap probably isn't as > useful. The rest would be interesting to look at. > > Are you able to test with smaller packet sizes? That might help to > isolate packet-throughput (ie. connecti

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] how's everybody's uptime?

2014-09-27 Thread Aaron Wood
I'm up to 12 days at this point, but it was longer (a month?) before I did some re-arranging of things and needed to unplug the unit. I have an AppleTV that's wired, and all the computers are on wifi, so we end up stressing the mdns a fair bit. It seems solid, although all the devices get confuse

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Routing limit question

2014-10-20 Thread Aaron Wood
On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 3:48 PM, Dave Taht wrote: > OK, I tried a few combinations of burst and cburst on a cerowrt box, > using 90/10 as a up/download speed. > > burst 64000 cburst 64000 was a bit of a win, in most respects, but odd > in others. > Interesting can this be specified on the a

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] how's everybody's uptime?

2014-11-07 Thread Aaron Wood
Uptime: 21:30:42 up 40 days, 12:17, load average: 0.11, 0.13, 0.08 no traps It's running native IPv6 (Comcast), now that I have the Comcast Wifi unit running in bridge mode. Everything seems just fine. df -h: FilesystemSize Used Available Use% Mounted on rootfs

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] High Performance (SSH) Data Transfers using fq_codel?

2014-11-13 Thread Aaron Wood
I have a couple friends in that crowd, and they _also_ aren't using shared lines. So they don't worry in the slightest about congestion when they're trying to keep dedicated links fully saturated. They're big issue with dropped packets is that some of the TCP congestion-control algorithms kick in

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Trying to get hnetd working, trying to get distributed dns better

2014-11-23 Thread Aaron Wood
It's why I use Blogger for writeups of the netperf testing, and then post to G+. The lack of inline images in G+ is just too limiting for that sort of write-up. -Aaron On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 9:16 AM, Dave Taht wrote: > I setup a bunch of picostations running openwrt barrier breaker to try > a

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] how is everyone's uptime?

2014-12-11 Thread Aaron Wood
Do I win any prizes? :) root@cerowrt:~# uptime 16:27:49 up 74 days, 7:14, load average: 0.46, 0.17, 0.09 root@cerowrt:~# free total used free shared buffers Mem:126256496527660400 -/+ buffers: 49652

[Cerowrt-devel] WRT1900AC support finally in OpenWRT -> New Cero Dev platform?

2015-01-07 Thread Aaron Wood
So it appears that Marvell pushed a bunch of patches to OpenWRT on Christmas, and as a result, trunk OpenWRT (kernel 3.18) can run, and run pretty well, on the 1900AC. https://forum.openwrt.org/viewtopic.php?pid=258634#p258634 dual-core 1.2GHz ARM. Given my experience with processors like the iM

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] SInce I mentioned this crew's work in a post, I don't want anyone to be surprised.

2015-01-19 Thread Aaron Wood
On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 11:37 AM, Dave Taht wrote: > > I also tend to wish that streaming video had got it's own control port > rather than being layered over 80 and 443. > In my experience, that was due to the corporate firewalls' default rule of disallowing outbound connections. Port 80 can be

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Recording RF management info _and_ associated traffic?

2015-01-25 Thread Aaron Wood
On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 at 12:17 PM, wrote: > There is no reason why one cannot set up an enterprise network to support > roaming, yet maintaining the property that IP addresses don't change while > roaming from AP to AP. Here's a simple concept, that amounts to moving > what would be in the Ethern

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] uptime?

2015-02-06 Thread Aaron Wood
On Fri, Feb 6, 2015 at 12:47 PM, Dave Taht wrote: > On Sat, Feb 7, 2015 at 8:42 AM, wrote: > > On Fri, 06 Feb 2015 15:27:32 +1300, Dave Taht said: > >> so, how's everybody's uptime? > > > > Sitting at 27 days due to a power blip. > > I do strongly feel that home routers should have a battery or

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] what stats do people want from conference wifi?

2015-02-07 Thread Aaron Wood
I would love to see this data, especially since insights into dense wifi environments is rare. It seems like this might be a fascinating time to get stats from Minstrel, for which rates clients are connected at: Do they connect at high rates at all? Do they stay stable at high rates, or do they s

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] [Bloat] Two d-link products tested for bloat...

2015-02-19 Thread Aaron Wood
Perhaps just a wall of shame? No venom, just point out the failings, and call people out. But, frankly, I don't think any of the router mfr's actually care (I've seen no evidence of it), and since they're not in the business of actually making these things (just putting their labels on them), I d

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] [Bloat] Bufferbloat and the policy debate on packet loss in nanog

2015-03-01 Thread Aaron Wood
But until the silicon vendors update _their_ forks of OpenWRT, commercially available home routers won't have these benefits. Because the home router market is dominated by packaged reference designs from one of a very small number of companies that actually make all the chipsets (Dave, I know you

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Fwd: [homenet] Routing protocol comparison document

2015-03-02 Thread Aaron Wood
I would definitely be interested in being involved with how to secure and firewall, but still provide access to, internal IPv6 hosts. Ie, the internet the way it's supposed to work (peer to peer), but with the security that we've inadvertently picked up along the way by using NAT everywhere for th

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Comcast Uplink Buffers

2015-03-05 Thread Aaron Wood
Bill, I'd recommend setting the bandwidth values low (very low) at first, just to establish that the setup is working correctly. I'm able to get better control of latency at those bitrates on an WNDR3800: http://burntchrome.blogspot.com/2014/05/fixing-bufferbloat-on-comcasts-blast.html I'd star

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] the 3 focus problems we have

2015-03-19 Thread Aaron Wood
On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 9:01 AM, Richard Smith wrote: > On 03/16/2015 01:49 PM, David Lang wrote: > >> On Mon, 16 Mar 2015, Dave Taht wrote: >> >> On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 10:34 AM, David Lang wrote: >>> >>> On Mon, 16 Mar 2015, Dave Taht wrote: 1) We need a new box that can do inbou

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] [Bloat] capturing packets and applying qdiscs

2015-03-27 Thread Aaron Wood
I do this often at work, using a separate machine to capture traffic using wireshark. Wireshark makes a lot of the analysis fairly straightforward (especially with it's excellent packet dissectors). By capturing in radiotap mode, you get RSSI/noise levels on the 802.11n packet, the rates involved

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] [Bloat] capturing packets and applying qdiscs

2015-03-27 Thread Aaron Wood
On Fri, Mar 27, 2015 at 8:08 AM, Richard Smith wrote: > Using horst I've discovered that the major reason our WiFi network sucks > is because 90% of the packets are sent at the 6mbit rate. Most of the rest > show up in the 12 and 24mbit zone with a tiny fraction of them using the > higher MCS ra

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] quick dumb question re -Os vs -O2 and arch=mips74k

2015-03-31 Thread Aaron Wood
OpenWRT normally sets it in the Build Options section of the menuconfig. On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 10:20 AM, Dave Taht wrote: > How do I try a different set of compile options nowadays? > > I change it in CC .config, it changes back. > > Used -O2 in cero... > > python, for example, is way slower t

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Fwd: [IP] To keep a Boeing Dreamliner flying, reboot once every 248 days A software bug again

2015-05-02 Thread Aaron Wood
code unit-tests with mocked clocks catch a lot of funky things like this. But you have to either know to test a piece of code, or be disciplined about testing _everything_ like that. And it doesn't retrofit into existing codebases well at all. On Sat, May 2, 2015 at 9:42 AM, Dave Taht wrote: >

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] heisenbug: dslreports 16 flow test vs cablemodems

2015-05-14 Thread Aaron Wood
ICMP prioritization over TCP? > >Ideas? > ___ Cerowrt-devel mailing list Cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/cerowrt-devel

[Cerowrt-devel] sqm-scripts on WRT1900AC

2015-05-23 Thread Aaron Wood
All, I've been lurking on the OpenWRT forum, looking to see when the CC builds for the WRT1900AC stabilized, and they seem to be so (for a very "beta"-ish version of stable). So I went ahead and loaded up the daily ( CHAOS CALMER (Bleeding Edge, r45715)). After getting Luci and sqm-scripts insta

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] sqm-scripts on WRT1900AC

2015-05-23 Thread Aaron Wood
May 23, 2015 at 10:17 PM, Aaron Wood wrote: > All, > > I've been lurking on the OpenWRT forum, looking to see when the CC builds > for the WRT1900AC stabilized, and they seem to be so (for a very "beta"-ish > version of stable). > > So I went ahead and loaded u

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] [Bloat] sqm-scripts on WRT1900AC

2015-05-23 Thread Aaron Wood
On Sat, May 23, 2015 at 11:44 PM, Dave Taht wrote: > > And it has a fan. Hate fans. Amusingly (I guess), I had this same > chipset to fiddle with in the "mirabox" and it ran wy too hot. > I haven't hit the fan, yet > It is not clear why you are getting an inaccurate rate out of it, eit

[Cerowrt-devel] ingress rate limiting falling short

2015-06-02 Thread Aaron Wood
I wrote this up on my blog, where I can intersperse text and graphs a bit better: http://burntchrome.blogspot.com/2015/06/htb-rate-limiting-not-quite-lining-up.html Basically, I ran a series of tcp_download tests, using increasing ingress rates with sqm_scripts, and then used flent's box-plots to

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] ingress rate limiting falling short

2015-06-03 Thread Aaron Wood
> > On the 3800, it never meets the rate, but it's only off by maybe 5%. > > As Jonathan pointed out already this is in the range of the > difference between raw rates and tcp good put, so nothing to write home > about ;) > Yeah, I'm not too worried about that 5%, based on that explanation

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] ingress rate limiting falling short

2015-06-03 Thread Aaron Wood
On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 3:27 PM, Dave Taht wrote: > > >> kbps = quantum = time >> 2 = 3000 = 1.2ms >> 3 = 6000 = 1.6ms >> 4 = 12000 = 2.4ms >> 5 = 24000 = 3.84ms >> 6 = 48000 = 6.4ms >> 8 = 96000 = 9.6ms >> > > >> So it appears that the goal of these values was to keep incr

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] I miss data sheets

2015-06-08 Thread Aaron Wood
The buried-under-NDA datasheets _sometimes_ go into that detail, but it's still usually pretty obtuse reading. And of course, it's all under NDA, not part of the public datasheet. -Aaron On Mon, Jun 8, 2015 at 9:52 AM, Dave Taht wrote: > have long hoped there was a way to do hardware egress ra

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] performance numbers from WRT1200AC (Re: Latest build test - new sqm-scripts seem to work; "cake overhead 40" didn't)

2015-06-24 Thread Aaron Wood
Here's a long-range (indoors) test result with the 1900AC. I have about 9dB snr at the client (all the way across my house, which has plaster walls): http://www.dslreports.com/speedtest/737736 download buffering is the 1900ac, upload buffering is the mac laptop's driver. Both are trying too har

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] performance numbers from WRT1200AC (Re: Latest build test - new sqm-scripts seem to work; "cake overhead 40" didn't)

2015-06-24 Thread Aaron Wood
On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 8:07 PM, Mikael Abrahamsson wrote: > On Wed, 24 Jun 2015, Aaron Wood wrote: > > Here's a long-range (indoors) test result with the 1900AC. I have about >> 9dB snr at the client (all the way across my house, which has plaster >> walls): &

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Problems testing sqm

2015-10-23 Thread Aaron Wood
On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 9:10 AM, Richard Smith wrote: > I have a shiny new Linksys WRT1900ACS to test. > > I thought it might be nice to start with some comparisons of factory > firmware vs OpenWRT with sqm enabled. > Here are my results with the same router (unless the WRT1900ACS is different f

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Problems testing sqm

2015-10-23 Thread Aaron Wood
On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 1:18 PM, Richard Smith wrote: > On 10/23/2015 02:41 PM, Michael Richardson wrote: > >> Richard Smith wrote: >> > My test setup: >> >> > Laptop<--1000BaseT-->DUT<--1000baseT-->Server >> >> So, given that the DUT is the only real constraint in the network, what >>

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Problems testing sqm

2015-10-24 Thread Aaron Wood
I've done the same setup in the past with my 3800, and htb limits just fine to 10Mbps even when used with gigabit lab links. So I think that, for whatever reason, htb just isn't functioning. Dumping the qdiscs setup and stats using tc should make it clearer as to what the state of things actually

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] better service discovery

2016-01-25 Thread Aaron Wood
Consul is based on Raft, so anyone using Consul is using Raft. (and we're poking around at it at my company, but I don't have any insight to give on it, yet). But in general, I also like distributed redundancy (as opposed to primary/backup redundancy). -Aaron On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 9:40 AM, Da

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] very good book on 802.11ac stuff

2016-02-08 Thread Aaron Wood
I've often wanted the same thing: What's the time-length of given packets (using various transmission rates), and the inter-packet delays, etc. What _is_ 100% channel utilization, in terms of packets per second of a given size/rate? >From a pcap file full of radio-tap-level packets, can the chan

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] might be a good thing

2016-03-18 Thread Aaron Wood
It will be interesting to see if that includes APs or just clients. The OEMs are going to lose one of their big levers on price, if they lose Broadcom from the mix (and Qualcomm is going to make some good money). Although Marvell's chunk of that space has been growing... -Aaron On Fri, Mar 18, 2

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] [Bloat] USB3 or HDMI ethernet? - Are wires dead?

2016-04-18 Thread Aaron Wood
Un-bloated power-line-to-AP units would be awesome. As would power-line to POE adapters for small electronics. Although you have the same difficulty with on-boarding there that you do with wifi. -Aaron Wood On Mon, Apr 18, 2016 at 9:35 AM, Jonathan Morton wrote: > > > On 18 Apr, 20

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