Re: [Cerowrt-devel] 10gige and 2.5gige

2021-12-22 Thread Aaron Wood
On Sun, Dec 19, 2021 at 10:07 AM David P. Reed wrote: > I know I shouldn't kink or pull fiber hard. In the worst case, I pull > light flexible conduit through walls with pull strings so I can add > arbitrary numbers of fibers. This is good practice, anyway (for wires or > fibers). > This is what

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] 10gige and 2.5gige

2021-12-19 Thread David P. Reed
Leviton has wallplates for fiber, and the tools for fiber are cheaper than the tools for CAT6. Pulling fiber through walls hasn't been a problem for me. No more than pulling CAT6. I know I shouldn't kink or pull fiber hard. In the worst case, I pull light flexible conduit through walls with p

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] 10gige and 2.5gige

2021-12-17 Thread Toke Høiland-Jørgensen via Cerowrt-devel
--- Begin Message --- Sebastian Moeller writes: > Mmmh, I guess our approach at traffic shaping does not scale well at those > speeds. Maybe this could be fixed with larger batching? > > I think it might be worth trying to switch to simple.qos/fq_codel and > set a somewhat larger burst/quantum d

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] 10gige and 2.5gige

2021-12-17 Thread Sebastian Moeller
Mmmh, I guess our approach at traffic shaping does not scale well at those speeds. Maybe this could be fixed with larger batching? I think it might be worth trying to switch to simple.qos/fq_codel and set a somewhat larger burst/quantum duration in defaults.sh, then disable BQL on the NIC and c

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] 10gige and 2.5gige

2021-12-17 Thread Sebastian Moeller
Hi Joel, > On Dec 17, 2021, at 09:36, Joel Wirāmu Pauling wrote: > > The XG PON ONT units from Nokia/Huawei are coming with only 10G NbaseT > (usually singular port) only in the consumer access space. No SFP+ Yes, ISPs are not that keen on distributing SFP/SFP+ modules, but there are some C

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] 10gige and 2.5gige

2021-12-17 Thread Joel Wirāmu Pauling
Completely aside I have never got Cake SQM to work with connection's beyond about a gigabit biderectional ; without loosing gigabits of throughput even when running on beefy hardware. Has been a problem here for some time now. On Fri, 17 Dec 2021, 9:36 pm Joel Wirāmu Pauling, wrote: > The XG PO

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] 10gige and 2.5gige

2021-12-17 Thread Joel Wirāmu Pauling
The XG PON ONT units from Nokia/Huawei are coming with only 10G NbaseT (usually singular port) only in the consumer access space. No SFP+ We have rolled out XG PON on the PON side to 70% of the country here (NZ) over the last 2 years. Only a small % of that are actually making use of the XGPON on

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] 10gige and 2.5gige

2021-12-17 Thread Sebastian Moeller
To add to Joel's point, I can do my own catX cable runs and connect sockets/plugs to the cables, but I lack the tools for fiber-splicing... as cool as that would be it is going to be hard to justify multi-100s EUR for a splicer.. That still leaves short distance in the main computing area of an

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] 10gige and 2.5gige

2021-12-16 Thread Joel Wirāmu Pauling
Yes but as much as I like fibre; it's too fragile for the average household structured cabling real world use case. Not to mention nothing consumwe comes with SFP+ in the home space. On Fri, 17 Dec 2021, 10:43 am David Lang, wrote: > another valuable featur of fiber for home use is that fiber ca

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] 10gige and 2.5gige

2021-12-16 Thread David Lang
another valuable featur of fiber for home use is that fiber can't contribute to ground loops the way that copper cables can. and for the paranoid (like me :-) ) fiber also means that any electrical disaster that happens to one end won't propgate through and fry other equipment David Lang On

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] 10gige and 2.5gige

2021-12-16 Thread David P. Reed
Thanks, That's good to know...The whole SFP+ adapter concept has seemed to me to be a "tweener" in hardware design space. Too many failure points. That said, I like fiber's properties as a medium for distances. On Thursday, December 16, 2021 2:31pm, "Joel Wirāmu Pauling" said: Heat iss

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] 10gige and 2.5gige

2021-12-16 Thread Joel Wirāmu Pauling
Heat issues you mention with UTP are gone; with the 803.bz stuff (i.e Base-N). It was mostly due to the 10G-Base-T spec being old and out of line with the SFP+ spec ; which led to higher power consumption than SFP+ cages were rated to draw and aforementioned heat problems; this is not a problem wi

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] 10gige and 2.5gige

2021-12-16 Thread David P. Reed
Yes, it's very cheap and getting cheaper. Since its price fell to the point I thought was cheap, my home has a 10 GigE fiber backbone, 2 switches in my main centers of computers, lots of 10 GigE NICs in servers, and even dual 10 GigE adapters in a Thunderbolt 3 external adapter for my primary