Re: [Cerowrt-devel] KASLR: Do we have to worry about other arches than x86?

2020-03-30 Thread dpr...@deepplum.com
Meltdown is very easy to exploit, and doesn't need heavy CPU usage (well, the obvious exploit is dumping all of kernel data space, which might be somewhat slower than a memcpy() of that data. :-) Essentially, you run a loop that uses speculative memory tests to load a unique userspace cache l

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] [Bloat] fcc initial comments due sept 10

2018-08-14 Thread dpr...@deepplum.com
Sent: Mon, Aug 13, 2018 at 11:45 pm To: "dpr...@deepplum.com" Cc: "Dave Taht" , cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net, "bloat" Subject: Re: [Bloat] [Cerowrt-devel] fcc initial comments due sept 10 On Fri, 10 Aug 2018, dpr...@deepplum.com wrote: > Now 25 Mb/se

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] fcc initial comments due sept 10

2018-08-10 Thread dpr...@deepplum.com
Just to remind everyone, "Broadband" is a term invented by the cable industry to describe "bundled cable TV, phone, and Internet", pretty much "aka DOCSIS". The confidence game played on America was to promote the idea that the US would deliver Broadband across the entire country (particularly r

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] expressobin

2018-08-03 Thread dpr...@deepplum.com
pm To: dpr...@deepplum.com Cc: "Toke Høiland-Jørgensen" , "Daniel Ezell" , "Cake List" , cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net Subject: Re: Re: [Cerowrt-devel] expressobin On Wed, Aug 1, 2018 at 5:49 AM dpr...@deepplum.com wrote: > > Yeah. Small FF 2 port Celeron board i

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] linus vs wireguard

2018-08-02 Thread dpr...@deepplum.com
Please note that my comments are from someone who, unlike Edge Security, has been involved in secure systems design off and on since 1973, not 2003 which is the level of expertise claimed by Edge Security. And I think I am the first person to write an automated system kernel exploit generation t

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] linus vs wireguard

2018-08-02 Thread dpr...@deepplum.com
I don't like complexity invading the kernel, personally. But it's Linux's monstrous kernel these days. We also seem to have user code being executed in the kernel (eBPF), another very risky thing regarding security, especially. The kernel mode of a system has incredible and universal power over

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] expressobin

2018-08-01 Thread dpr...@deepplum.com
Yeah. Small FF 2 port Celeron board is what I use. And I have a 4 port Atom that runs like a bat out of hell. Currenty fiddling with Xilinx Dev boards, just put packet processing in FPGA for Cake, and no problem with 2.5 - 10 Gb/sec. Just need a free piece of low level SFP+ interfacing logic.

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] [Cake] expressobin

2018-08-01 Thread dpr...@deepplum.com
Why 3 ports? Other than what? -Original Message- From: "Dave Taht" Sent: Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 11:17 pm To: "Outback Dingo" Cc: "Outback Dingo" , "Cake List" , cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net Subject: Re: [Cerowrt-devel] [Cake] expressobin On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 8:10 PM Outback Di

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] So how far behind is the embedded router world, still?

2018-07-27 Thread dpr...@deepplum.com
uly 2018 at 08:15, Dave Taht wrote: > On Thu, Jul 26, 2018 at 9:48 AM dpr...@deepplum.com > wrote: > > > > How would one get Linux Foundation to raise money to sponsor a router > software initiative? > > We tried. Personally, having bled out mentally and financial

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] So how far behind is the embedded router world, still?

2018-07-26 Thread dpr...@deepplum.com
How would one get Linux Foundation to raise money to sponsor a router software initiative? I can see that all the current network product OEMs might mass up to kill it or make it fail. Kind of like coreboot vs. UEFI. But maybe Facebook or Amazon or Google - dedicated white-box fan companies -

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] So how far behind is the embedded router world,still?

2018-07-26 Thread dpr...@deepplum.com
Embedded Linux is still a mess. I've been putting some serious (hacking) effort into RISC-V, using the near desktop class HiFive Unleashed board. The vendor (SiFive) and the RISC-V guys use buildroot! There is a coreboot project, but nothing for the actual hardware exists... Just a lashup for a

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] So how far behind is the embedded router world, still?

2018-07-25 Thread dpr...@deepplum.com
The FCC wants to throw people like you in jail, you know. The rules allowing them to do so are coming into force. -Original Message- From: valdis.kletni...@vt.edu Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2018 3:14pm To: "Dave Taht" Cc: cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net Subject: Re: [Cerowrt-devel] So

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] [Bloat] Invisibility of bufferbloat andits remedies

2018-06-20 Thread dpr...@deepplum.com
The best is the enemy of the pretty good. Isn't there some cumulative lag under load statistic that can be maintained by a pinger sampling lag as a function of current rate (upload and download)? The Pinger would only ping when load is above a threshold, and only count data as valid if load dur

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Invisibility of bufferbloat and its remedies

2018-06-19 Thread dpr...@deepplum.com
good rant! -Original Message- From: "Dave Taht" Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2018 3:33pm To: "dpr...@deepplum.com" Cc: cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net, "bloat" Subject: Re: Invisibility of bufferbloat and its remedies Well, I ranted: http://blog.cerowr

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] [Bloat] Invisibility of bufferbloat and its remedies

2018-06-18 Thread dpr...@deepplum.com
ss was at the core of the Internet. -Original Message- From: "Jonathan Morton" Sent: Monday, June 18, 2018 7:17pm To: "dpr...@deepplum.com" Cc: "Dave Taht" , cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net, "bloat" Subject: Re: [Bloat] Invisibility of buffer

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Invisibility of bufferbloat and its remedies

2018-06-18 Thread dpr...@deepplum.com
m with Bufferbloat. Comcast, on the other hand, has been slow-rolling DOCSIS 3.0, because their customers on DOCSIS 2.0 are just ordering faster service tiers to overcome the Bufferbloat in their DOCSIS 2 CMTS's. -Original Message- From: "Dave Taht" Sent: Monday, June 18, 2

[Cerowrt-devel] Invisibility of bufferbloat and its remedies

2018-06-18 Thread dpr...@deepplum.com
https://www.cordcuttersnews.com/3-easy-tips-to-fix-constant-buffering/ It's distressing how little the tech press understands the real problem. Of course, cable companies like Charter and ATT who have mostly DOCSIS 2 gear deployed can't admit to their plant being bloat-causing. In fact it prote

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] spacebee

2018-03-12 Thread dpr...@deepplum.com
hat while it may be that *geosynchronous equatorial orbit* is very tightly occupied, most MEO and LEO space is not densely occupied at all. -Original Message----- From: "Christopher Robin" Sent: Monday, March 12, 2018 1:34pm To: "dpr...@deepplum.com" Cc: cerowrt-devel@lists.bu

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] spacebee

2018-03-12 Thread dpr...@deepplum.com
Well, that may be the case, but it's a non-scalable and highly corruptible system. IMO it's probably unnecesary, too. Space is actually quite big. -Original Message- From: "Jim Gettys" Sent: Monday, March 12, 2018 12:26pm To: "Dave Taht" Cc: cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net Subject

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] spacebee

2018-03-12 Thread dpr...@deepplum.com
This is fascinating. Could it be that the idea of "open networks of satellites" are going to start to play the role of WiFi or UWB? Scalable sharing of orbital space, using a simple cooperative protocol? In other words, the first step toward what Vint Cerf championed as the "Interplanetary In

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] anyone fiddlng with these?

2018-02-15 Thread dpr...@deepplum.com
This is one of things that is happening. Question is what would be the right approach? Mozilla also seems to be hacking away with little architectural thinking. Under the theory that you don't need a theory, just "good code". What could go wrong? How did we get Spectre in every processor imple

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] aarch64 exploit POC

2018-01-07 Thread dpr...@deepplum.com
Even the Intel meltdown cannot reach between VMs that use hardware virtual memory. Relax, Dave. The cloud now mostly uses hardware VMs. AWS old Xen instances, and containers are subject to bad meltdown cloud attacks across containers. Sad about ARM, but ARM servers are pretty rare at this tim

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Spectre and EBPF JIT

2018-01-05 Thread dpr...@deepplum.com
the exits! Summary: hardware virtualization appears to be a pragmatic form of isolation that works. And thus many cloud providers are fine. -Original Message----- From: "Jonathan Morton" Sent: Friday, January 5, 2018 9:07am To: "Dave Taht" Cc: "dpr...@deeppl

[Cerowrt-devel] Spectre and EBPF JIT

2018-01-04 Thread dpr...@deepplum.com
As I continue to study the Spectre bug, I read the Project Zero post about POC's they developed for Spectre. [ https://googleprojectzero.blogspot.com/2018/01/reading-privileged-memory-with-side.html ]( https://googleprojectzero.blogspot.com/2018/01/reading-privileged-memory-with-side.html )

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] KASLR: Do we have to worry about other arches than x86?

2018-01-04 Thread dpr...@deepplum.com
e of least privilege". -Original Message- From: "Dave Taht" Sent: Thursday, January 4, 2018 5:04pm To: "dpr...@deepplum.com" Cc: "Joel Wirāmu Pauling" , "Jonathan Morton" , cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net Subject: Re: [Cerowrt-devel] KASLR: Do w

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] KASLR: Do we have to worry about other arches than x86?

2018-01-04 Thread dpr...@deepplum.com
e heavy hitting NVF appliances tend to be large and span multiple compute hosts (and therefore are the only tenannts on those computes) - this isn't always the case. It's a problem in that if you can get onto the hypervisor even as an unprivileged user you can read out guest sto

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] KASLR: Do we have to worry about other arches than x86?

2018-01-04 Thread dpr...@deepplum.com
Containers and kernel namespaces, and so forth are MEANINGLESS against the Meltdown and Sceptre problems. It's a hardware bug that lets any userspace process access anything the kernel can address. -Original Message- From: "Joel Wirāmu Pauling" Sent: Thursday, January 4, 2018 4:52pm T

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] KASLR: Do we have to worry about other arches than x86?

2018-01-04 Thread dpr...@deepplum.com
Hmm... protection datacentres tend to require lower latencies than can be achieved running on hypervisors. Which doesn't mean that some datacenters don't do that. As far as NFV is concerned, Meltdown only breaks security if a userspace application is running on a machine where another user h