Re: [ceph-users] multiple journals on SSD

2016-07-13 Thread George Shuklin
Hello. On 07/13/2016 03:31 AM, Christian Balzer wrote: Hello, did you actually read my full reply last week, the in-line parts, not just the top bit? http://www.spinics.net/lists/ceph-users/msg29266.html On Tue, 12 Jul 2016 16:16:09 +0300 George Shuklin wrote: Yes, linear io speed was conce

Re: [ceph-users] multiple journals on SSD

2016-07-12 Thread Christian Balzer
Hello, did you actually read my full reply last week, the in-line parts, not just the top bit? http://www.spinics.net/lists/ceph-users/msg29266.html On Tue, 12 Jul 2016 16:16:09 +0300 George Shuklin wrote: > Yes, linear io speed was concern during benchmark. I can not predict how > much linea

Re: [ceph-users] multiple journals on SSD

2016-07-12 Thread Udo Lembke
Hi Vincent, On 12.07.2016 15:03, Vincent Godin wrote: > Hello. > > I've been testing Intel 3500 as journal store for few HDD-based OSD. I > stumble on issues with multiple partitions (>4) and UDEV (sda5, sda6,etc > sometime do not appear after partition creation). And I'm thinking that > partition

Re: [ceph-users] multiple journals on SSD

2016-07-12 Thread George Shuklin
Yes, linear io speed was concern during benchmark. I can not predict how much linear IO would be generated by clients (compare to IOPS) so we going to balance HDD-OSD per SSD according to real usage. If users would generate too much random IO, we will raise HDD/SSD ratio, if they would generate

Re: [ceph-users] multiple journals on SSD

2016-07-12 Thread Guillaume Comte
2016-07-12 15:03 GMT+02:00 Vincent Godin : > Hello. > > I've been testing Intel 3500 as journal store for few HDD-based OSD. I > stumble on issues with multiple partitions (>4) and UDEV (sda5, sda6,etc > sometime do not appear after partition creation). And I'm thinking that > partition is not tha

Re: [ceph-users] multiple journals on SSD

2016-07-12 Thread Vincent Godin
Hello. I've been testing Intel 3500 as journal store for few HDD-based OSD. I stumble on issues with multiple partitions (>4) and UDEV (sda5, sda6,etc sometime do not appear after partition creation). And I'm thinking that partition is not that useful for OSD management, because linux do no allow

Re: [ceph-users] multiple journals on SSD

2016-07-08 Thread Nick Fisk
> -Original Message- > From: ceph-users [mailto:ceph-users-boun...@lists.ceph.com] On Behalf Of > Zoltan Arnold Nagy > Sent: 08 July 2016 08:51 > To: Christian Balzer > Cc: ceph-users ; n...@fisk.me.uk > Subject: Re: [ceph-users] multiple journals on SSD > >

Re: [ceph-users] multiple journals on SSD

2016-07-08 Thread Zoltan Arnold Nagy
Hi Christian,On 08 Jul 2016, at 02:22, Christian Balzer wrote:Hello,On Thu, 7 Jul 2016 23:19:35 +0200 Zoltan Arnold Nagy wrote:Hi Nick,How large NVMe drives are you running per 12 disks?In my current setup I have 4xP3700 per 36 disks but I feel like I couldget by with 2… Just looking for community

Re: [ceph-users] multiple journals on SSD

2016-07-07 Thread Christian Balzer
Hello, On Thu, 7 Jul 2016 23:19:35 +0200 Zoltan Arnold Nagy wrote: > Hi Nick, > > How large NVMe drives are you running per 12 disks? > > In my current setup I have 4xP3700 per 36 disks but I feel like I could > get by with 2… Just looking for community experience :-) > This is funny, because

Re: [ceph-users] multiple journals on SSD

2016-07-07 Thread Zoltan Arnold Nagy
607.84 > 1.36 19.425.60 34.13 4.04 19.60 > sdn 0.50 0.00 23.000.00 2670.00 0.00 232.17 > 0.072.962.960.00 2.43 5.60 > > Pretty much 10x the latency. I'm seriously impressed with these NVME things. > > >>

Re: [ceph-users] multiple journals on SSD

2016-07-07 Thread Nick Fisk
Hi Christian, > -Original Message- > From: Christian Balzer [mailto:ch...@gol.com] > Sent: 07 July 2016 12:57 > To: ceph-users@lists.ceph.com > Cc: Nick Fisk > Subject: Re: [ceph-users] multiple journals on SSD > > > Hello Nick, > > On Thu, 7 Jul 20

Re: [ceph-users] multiple journals on SSD

2016-07-07 Thread Christian Balzer
00 > 607.84 1.36 19.425.60 34.13 4.04 19.60 > sdn 0.50 0.00 23.000.00 2670.00 0.00 > 232.17 0.072.962.960.00 2.43 5.60 > > Pretty much 10x the latency. I'm seriously impressed with these NVME > things. > > > > -Original Messa

Re: [ceph-users] multiple journals on SSD

2016-07-07 Thread George Shuklin
The are two problems I found so far: 1) You can not alter parition table if it is in the use. That means you need to stop all ceph-osd who use journals on given OSD to change anything on it. Worse: you can change, but you can not force kernel to reread partition table. 2) I found udev bug with

Re: [ceph-users] multiple journals on SSD

2016-07-07 Thread Nick Fisk
h-users [mailto:ceph-users-boun...@lists.ceph.com] On Behalf Of > Christian Balzer > Sent: 07 July 2016 03:23 > To: ceph-users@lists.ceph.com > Subject: Re: [ceph-users] multiple journals on SSD > > > Hello, > > I have a multitude of of problems with the benchmarks and concl

Re: [ceph-users] multiple journals on SSD

2016-07-06 Thread Tu Holmes
I have 12 journals on 1 SSD, but I wouldn't recommend it if you want any real performance. I use it on an archive type environment. On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 9:01 PM Goncalo Borges wrote: > Hi George... > > > On my latest deployment we have set > > # grep journ /etc/ceph/ceph.conf > osd journal si

Re: [ceph-users] multiple journals on SSD

2016-07-06 Thread Goncalo Borges
Hi George... On my latest deployment we have set # grep journ /etc/ceph/ceph.conf osd journal size = 2 and configured the OSDs for each device running 'ceph-disk prepare' # ceph-disk -v prepare --cluster ceph --cluster-uuid XXX --fs-type xfs /dev/sdd /dev/sdb # ceph-disk -v

Re: [ceph-users] multiple journals on SSD

2016-07-06 Thread Christian Balzer
Hello, I have a multitude of of problems with the benchmarks and conclusions here, more below. But firstly to address the question of the OP, definitely not filesystem based journals. Another layer of overhead and delays, something I'd be willing to ignore if we're talking about a full SSD as O

Re: [ceph-users] multiple journals on SSD

2016-07-06 Thread George Shuklin
Yes. On my lab (not production yet) with 9 7200 SATA (OSD) and one INTEL SSDSC2BB800G4 (800G, 9 journals) during random write I got ~90% utilization of 9 HDD with ~5% utilization of SSD (2.4k IOPS). With linear writing it somehow worse: I got 250Mb/s on SSD, which translated to 240Mb of all O

Re: [ceph-users] multiple journals on SSD

2016-07-06 Thread Iban Cabrillo
Hi George, We have several journal partition on our SSDs too. Using ceph-deploy utility (as Dan mentioned before),I think it is best way: ceph-deploy osd create HOST:DISK[:JOURNAL] [HOST:DISK[:JOURNAL]...] where journal will be the path to journal disk (not to partition): ceph-deploy osd

Re: [ceph-users] multiple journals on SSD

2016-07-06 Thread Alwin Antreich
Hi George, interesting result for your benchmark. May you please supply some more numbers? As we didn't get that good of a result on our tests. Thanks. Cheers, Alwin On 07/06/2016 02:03 PM, George Shuklin wrote: > Hello. > > I've been testing Intel 3500 as journal store for few HDD-based OSD

Re: [ceph-users] multiple journals on SSD

2016-07-06 Thread Dan van der Ster
We have 5 journal partitions per SSD. Works fine (on el6 and el7). Best practice is to use ceph-disk: ceph-disk prepare /dev/sde /dev/sdc # where e is the osd, c is an SSD. -- Dan On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 2:03 PM, George Shuklin wrote: > Hello. > > I've been testing Intel 3500 as journal stor

Re: [ceph-users] multiple journals on SSD

2016-07-06 Thread Tuomas Juntunen
uklin Sent: 6. heinäkuuta 2016 15:04 To: ceph-users@lists.ceph.com Subject: [ceph-users] multiple journals on SSD Hello. I've been testing Intel 3500 as journal store for few HDD-based OSD. I stumble on issues with multiple partitions (>4) and UDEV (sda5, sda6,etc sometime do not appear af

[ceph-users] multiple journals on SSD

2016-07-06 Thread George Shuklin
Hello. I've been testing Intel 3500 as journal store for few HDD-based OSD. I stumble on issues with multiple partitions (>4) and UDEV (sda5, sda6,etc sometime do not appear after partition creation). And I'm thinking that partition is not that useful for OSD management, because linux do no a