Re: [CentOS] Update to Gnome 3

2013-07-24 Thread Andrew Wyatt
In addition to building GTK3, they would also have to update glib2, glibc, atk, and roughly a dozen or more additional packages to support just building base GNOME 3. It would be a monumental change leaving them with a distribution that was no longer CentOS. Just adding my $.02 in-case it helps.

Re: [CentOS] Red Hat CEO: Go Ahead, Copy Our Software

2013-08-16 Thread Andrew Wyatt
On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 6:25 AM, Giles Coochey wrote: > On 15/08/2013 23:58, Les Mikesell wrote: > >> On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 5:34 PM, Reindl Harald >> wrote: >> >>> So, what about redistribution of copies? >>> learn the difference between trademarks and software licences >>> >> So, if you

Re: [CentOS] Red Hat CEO: Go Ahead, Copy Our Software

2013-08-16 Thread Andrew Wyatt
On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 6:45 AM, Giles Coochey wrote: > On 16/08/2013 12:34, Andrew Wyatt wrote: > >> >> >> RedHat --> Production Systems, with paid-for support, something goes wrong >> then I have some commercial comeback to get it fixed. High change control &g

Re: [CentOS] Red Hat CEO: Go Ahead, Copy Our Software

2013-08-16 Thread Andrew Wyatt
On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 7:13 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: > > > Am 16.08.2013 14:07, schrieb Andrew Wyatt: > > On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 6:45 AM, Giles Coochey > wrote: > >>> While I agree that CentOS will always have support while it is > community > >> dr

Re: [CentOS] minimal X applications needed to export to remote server?

2013-08-16 Thread Andrew Wyatt
On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 10:17 AM, Joseph Spenner wrote: > I'm running a piece of network backup software called 'bacula', on a > minimal CentOS 6.4 install. > I got everything working pretty well, but there's one piece giving me some > problem-- a component which gives status info via a GUI. > In

Re: [CentOS] Red Hat CEO: Go Ahead, Copy Our Software

2013-08-16 Thread Andrew Wyatt
On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 12:12 PM, Les Mikesell wrote: > > > Really? Are none of the trademark-restricted additions packaged into > GPLed items? Or is redistributing the trademark OK as long as nothing > is changed? If you could obtain a copy and didn't care about RNH, > could you ship straigh

Re: [CentOS] Red Hat CEO: Go Ahead, Copy Our Software

2013-08-16 Thread Andrew Wyatt
On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 2:03 PM, Les Mikesell wrote: > On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 1:47 PM, Reindl Harald > wrote: > > > >> Exactly my point. Everything is about derived works. So binaries > >> cannot be exempt from the requirement that the work as a whole can > >> only be distributed under a lice

Re: [CentOS] Red Hat CEO: Go Ahead, Copy Our Software

2013-08-16 Thread Andrew Wyatt
On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 2:08 PM, Les Mikesell wrote: > On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 2:01 PM, Reindl Harald > wrote: > > > >>> redistribution of SOURCE.have you READ the GPL ? > >> > >> Please quote the section that you think exempts binaries > > > > *THE WHOLE GPL TALKS ABOUT SOURCE CODE DAMNED*

Re: [CentOS] Red Hat CEO: Go Ahead, Copy Our Software

2013-08-16 Thread Andrew Wyatt
On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 3:49 PM, Lamar Owen wrote: > On 08/16/2013 03:12 PM, Andrew Wyatt wrote: > > RedHat's trademarks are the only reason why you can't take the RedHat ISO > > and distribute it to whomever you want. > > Not exactly. The aggregate collection,

Re: [CentOS] OT: laptop recommendations for CentOS6

2013-08-17 Thread Andrew Wyatt
On Sat, Aug 17, 2013 at 11:37 AM, carlopmart wrote: > On 17/08/13 12:03, Eliezer Croitoru wrote: > > Hey there, > > > > CentOS is using what kernel? 2.x?? > > which was not designed to work with newer hardware but Fedora works fine > > with it. > > If you need specific functions like EMAIL WEB et

Re: [CentOS] Centos 6.4 - doesnt power off with shutdown/poweroff cmd

2013-10-11 Thread Andrew Wyatt
Try using the reboot=pci grub parameter. On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 11:40 AM, Terre Porter wrote: > Hello, > > > > I'm looking for help figuring out why I am having problems with shutting > down a machine. > > > > I have tested the machine using Fedora 19 and Ubuntu 12 Live CD's and both > power d

Re: [CentOS] RHEL 7 Beta is now public

2013-12-11 Thread Andrew Wyatt
Thanks for this, looking forward to kicking the tires to see what they did with GNOME 3. On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 9:56 AM, Karanbir Singh wrote: > Hi, > > http://ftp.redhat.com/redhat/rhel/beta/7/ > > Go get it ( maybe consider using a mirror ), play with it, test it, and > file reports. Dont use

Re: [CentOS] RHEL 7 Beta is now public

2013-12-16 Thread Andrew Wyatt
close an app - that's awesome! (not) Meh, this really should be labeled an alpha it has so many problems but I guess it's easy enough to bootstrap their sources to spit out all of the missing dependencies. On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 11:51 AM, Alain Péan wrote: > Le 11/12/2013 18:26,

Re: [CentOS] RHEL 7 Beta is now public

2013-12-17 Thread Andrew Wyatt
Yes, there are many missing -devel packages. It's possible that they didn't fit on the media though, I haven't connected the system to RedHat's repositories. On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 6:08 PM, Karanbir Singh wrote: > On 12/16/2013 01:27 PM, Andrew Wyatt wrote:

Re: [CentOS] [CentOS-announce] CentOS Project joins forces with Red Hat

2014-01-17 Thread Andrew Wyatt
On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 2:33 PM, Les Mikesell wrote: > But, the bigger question is where it leaves us if > they just decide to quit after assimilating most of the related > systems under a build ecosystem that no one else can reproduce easily. > > I don't expect that it would ever be necessary,

Re: [CentOS] Cemtos 7 : Systemd alternatives ?

2014-07-08 Thread Andrew Wyatt
On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 9:49 AM, Russell Miller wrote: > > On Jul 8, 2014, at 5:09 AM, Dennis Jacobfeuerborn > wrote: > > > > That presumes that your conservative attitude is the majority opinion > > though. Systemd is one of the features that I have been looking forward > > to in CentOS 7 becaus

Re: [CentOS] Cemtos 7 : Systemd alternatives ?

2014-07-08 Thread Andrew Wyatt
> > > Then that grey headed guy or gal > gentlely leads the Q&A into a critical edge case that completely breaks > the proposal. When you do that to a certain developer you get banned from a certain G+ feed for make believe "personal attacks" because changing the conversation is much simpler th

Re: [CentOS] Cemtos 7 : Systemd alternatives ?

2014-07-08 Thread Andrew Wyatt
On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 11:12 AM, Les Mikesell wrote: > On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 11:05 AM, Andrew Wyatt wrote: > > >> > > This is an unfortunate problem in the community today, anyone who > disagrees > > with status-quo is "just an antique", it's

Re: [CentOS] Cemtos 7 : Systemd alternatives ?

2014-07-08 Thread Andrew Wyatt
On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 11:21 AM, Scott Robbins wrote: > On Tue, Jul 08, 2014 at 10:27:41AM -0400, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: > > Scott Robbins wrote: > > > On Tue, Jul 08, 2014 at 02:09:49PM +0200, Dennis Jacobfeuerborn wrote: > > >> On 08.07.2014 13:57, Scott Robbins wrote: > > > > > > > > Very tru

Re: [CentOS] OT - Re: Cemtos 7 : Systemd alternatives ?

2014-07-08 Thread Andrew Wyatt
On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 1:31 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote: > > On 07/08/2014 02:04 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: > > Steve Clark wrote: > >> On 07/08/2014 12:55 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote: > >>> On 07/08/2014 12:44 PM, Hal Wigoda wrote: > You aren't old. > >>> And I am a young 21. three times ov

Re: [CentOS] Cemtos 7 : Systemd alternatives ?

2014-07-08 Thread Andrew Wyatt
systemv? Too soon? On July 8, 2014 4:07:43 PM CDT, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: >Robert Moskowitz wrote: >> >> On 07/08/2014 04:19 PM, Les Mikesell wrote: >>> On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 2:55 PM, Reindl Harald > >>> wrote: > Unless you are offering to do that for me, for free, on all my > systems,

Re: [CentOS] Cemtos 7 : Systemd alternatives ?

2014-07-09 Thread Andrew Wyatt
On Wed, Jul 9, 2014 at 2:00 PM, wrote: > Lamar Owen wrote: > > On 07/09/2014 01:38 PM, Les Mikesell wrote: > > >> and (b) why you think an unpredictable daemon should be resurrected to > >> continue its unpredictable behavior. > > > > I have had services that would reliably crash under certain >

Re: [CentOS] Cemtos 7 : Systemd alternatives ?

2014-07-14 Thread Andrew Wyatt
On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 10:19 AM, wrote: > William Woods wrote: > > Please stop top posting. > > > > On Jul 14, 2014, at 9:48 AM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: > >> William Woods wrote: > >>> On Jul 14, 2014, at 7:15 AM, Always Learning > >>> wrote: > On Mon, 2014-07-14 at 06:42 -0400, Steve Clar

Re: [CentOS] Cemtos 7 : Systemd alternatives ?

2014-07-14 Thread Andrew Wyatt
On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 11:38 AM, wrote: > Steve Clark wrote: > > On 07/14/2014 11:26 AM, William Woods wrote: > >> On Jul 14, 2014, at 10:19 AM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: > >>> William Woods wrote: > >>> > >>> Please stop top posting. > On Jul 14, 2014, at 9:48 AM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: > >

Re: [CentOS] Cemtos 7 : Systemd alternatives ?

2014-07-14 Thread Andrew Wyatt
On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 11:52 AM, wrote: > Andrew Wyatt wrote: > > On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 11:38 AM, wrote: > > > >> Steve Clark wrote: > >> > On 07/14/2014 11:26 AM, William Woods wrote: > >> >> On Jul 14, 2014, at 10:19 AM, m

Re: [CentOS] Cemtos 7 : Systemd alternatives ?

2014-07-14 Thread Andrew Wyatt
On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 12:10 PM, Les Mikesell wrote: > On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 11:47 AM, Andrew Wyatt wrote: > > >> > >> Anyway, he also seems determined to see it all as black and white, > rather > >> than looking at the *much* larger set of bugs and vuln

Re: [CentOS] Cemtos 7 : Systemd alternatives ?

2014-07-14 Thread Andrew Wyatt
On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 2:02 PM, Always Learning wrote: > > > On Mon, 2014-07-14 at 12:02 -0500, Andrew Wyatt wrote: > > > 5.x is ancient and had its own set of flaws over its lifecycle. > > 1/3 of my servers use C 5.10, 2/3 use C 6.5. I use C 5.10 as my > indivi

Re: [CentOS] Cemtos 7 : Systemd alternatives ?

2014-07-14 Thread Andrew Wyatt
On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 2:48 PM, Always Learning wrote: > > > On Mon, 2014-07-14 at 14:05 -0500, William Woods wrote: > > > On Jul 14, 2014, at 2:02 PM, Always Learning wrote: > > > > C 5 works well for me. > > > > > > Centos 5 Fan :-) > > > That is probably the most pointless comment you have m