On 10/12/2020 03:55, Brendan Conoboy wrote:
On Wed, Dec 9, 2020 at 6:07 PM Lamar Owen wrote:
On 12/9/20 12:10 PM, Brendan Conoboy wrote:
While I'm not sure how we'll get there, it seems like the
mutually satisfying end result would be one where third party binary
drivers work with CentOS Stre
Il 2020-12-10 04:55 Brendan Conoboy ha scritto:
On Wed, Dec 9, 2020 at 6:07 PM Lamar Owen wrote:
On 12/9/20 12:10 PM, Brendan Conoboy wrote:
> While I'm not sure how we'll get there, it seems like the
> mutually satisfying end result would be one where third party binary
> drivers work with Ce
Le 09/12/2020 à 17:52, Frank Cox a écrit :
> Is it necessary to create an Oracle account to do anything with Oracle Linux
> that can't be done without creating an account? In other words, does Oracle
> Linux demand that you log into Oracle to complete an installation, update
> that installation, i
> Le 10/12/2020 à 00:51, Joshua Kramer a écrit :
>> After reading and digesting a ton of community chatter about the
>> recent CentOS announcement I've come to the conclusion that there's a
>> lot of good about this, but there are also a lot of concerns that are
>> being ignored. And nobody so far
Johnny -
Thanks for that. It did mostly work - it wasn't keen on installing the
RPM you pointed to, but once it did the distro swap worked and the
system is now only using 8-stream as its repositories.
Thanks
P.
> sure .. you can manually add the one repo required to manually do the
> swap c
Am 09.12.20 um 17:52 schrieb Frank Cox:
On Wed, 9 Dec 2020 11:18:25 +0100
Rainer Traut wrote:
Based on my extremely limited knowledge around Oracle Linux, it sounds like
that might be a go-to solution for Centos refugees.
But is it, really?
Yes, it is better than Centos and in some aspec
Am 10.12.20 um 07:09 schrieb Nicolas Kovacs:
Le 10/12/2020 à 00:51, Joshua Kramer a écrit :
There have been hundreds of other messages that describe exactly what
RedHat loses in this deal so I won't go into that here. But branding
oneself as a "bad faith actor" is usually a terrible way to try
I would like to know the opinion of the CentOS developers on the decision
to end CentOS. Because people already made his voice heard...
What do you think?
Is it a great decision and master play of business? Because you know
'devops-container-facebook-intel-thing' and "hey is the inevitable train
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Is there anything known about the future of CentosPlus after moving to a
Pre-RHEL CentOS Stream?
It would be of no interest to RedHat..
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On Wed, 9 Dec 2020, Joshua Kramer wrote:
It can, however, be mitigated if RedHat backtracks, admits their
mistake, and affirmatively commits to support future CentOS point
releases. I'll be interested to see how this turns out.
It may already be too late. Even if RedHat says "my bad" and goes
On Thu, Dec 10, 2020 at 12:54 AM Phil Perry wrote:
> On 10/12/2020 03:55, Brendan Conoboy wrote:
> > On Wed, Dec 9, 2020 at 6:07 PM Lamar Owen wrote:
> >
> >> On 12/9/20 12:10 PM, Brendan Conoboy wrote:
> >>> While I'm not sure how we'll get there, it seems like the
> >>> mutually satisfying end
On Thu, Dec 10, 2020 at 1:01 AM Gionatan Danti wrote:
> Il 2020-12-10 04:55 Brendan Conoboy ha scritto:
> > On Wed, Dec 9, 2020 at 6:07 PM Lamar Owen wrote:
> >
> >> On 12/9/20 12:10 PM, Brendan Conoboy wrote:
> >> > While I'm not sure how we'll get there, it seems like the
> >> > mutually satis
On Wed, Dec 9, 2020 at 7:19 PM Matthew Miller wrote:
> [...]
> In the cases where RHEL + 0.1 (note not +1) won't work, I think it's
> incredibly likely that this will be covered by the expanded low- and
> no-cost
> RHEL offerings.
>
> Part of the buried lede here is that with more RHEL accessibil
El jue, 10 dic 2020 a las 9:39, Steve Thompson ()
escribió:
> On Wed, 9 Dec 2020, Joshua Kramer wrote:
>
> > It can, however, be mitigated if RedHat backtracks, admits their
> > mistake, and affirmatively commits to support future CentOS point
> > releases. I'll be interested to see how this turn
On 12/9/20 9:37 PM, Akemi Yagi wrote:
On Wed, Dec 9, 2020 at 6:07 PM Lamar Owen wrote:
So, I want to address this part a bit. In MANY cases, it's not a
third-party driver that ELrepo packages; it's an in-kernel driver that
Red Hat has decided to disable. Such as the megaraid_sas driver I nee
On Thu, Dec 10, 2020 at 3:29 PM Lamar Owen wrote:
> On 12/9/20 9:37 PM, Akemi Yagi wrote:
> > On Wed, Dec 9, 2020 at 6:07 PM Lamar Owen wrote:
> >
> >> So, I want to address this part a bit. In MANY cases, it's not a
> >> third-party driver that ELrepo packages; it's an in-kernel driver that
>
> On Wed, Dec 9, 2020 at 7:19 PM Matthew Miller wrote:
>
>> [...]
>> In the cases where RHEL + 0.1 (note not +1) won't work, I think it's
>> incredibly likely that this will be covered by the expanded low- and
>> no-cost
>> RHEL offerings.
>>
>> Part of the buried lede here is that with more RHEL
Il 08/12/20 17:17, Marc Balmer via CentOS ha scritto:
But we, the users, trusted you. No we don't anymore.
This!
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On Thu, Dec 10, 2020 at 3:54 PM Simon Matter wrote:
> [...]
> Do you mean something like this?
>
> https://linux.oracle.com/switch/centos2ol.sh
> [...]
Haven't tried this one, but yes, this is from a principal point of view
what I mean.
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Il 08/12/20 18:19, Marc Balmer via CentOS ha scritto:
Am I the only one to perceive CentOS/RedHat team members responses as quite
arrogant?
No and this is not started with the current discussion.
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Hello,
when someone has installed a CentOS 7.1 in the past,
and did 'yum update' regularily, his/she got a CentOS 7.8 now without
any reinstallation procedure or other complications;
when the same wanted to update to CentOS 8 he/she had to do a new install;
what happens to CentOS Stream?
wh
El mar, 8 dic 2020 a las 13:44, Nicolas Kovacs ()
escribió:
> Le 08/12/2020 à 16:12, Johnny Hughes a écrit :
> > Another very good thing
> >
> > There is no longer a huge delay of a drop of 750 packages at once and a
> > delay of more than a month to get a new release.
> >
> > There will be on del
> when someone has installed a CentOS 7.1 in the past,
>
> and did 'yum update' regularily, his/she got a CentOS 7.8 now without
> any reinstallation procedure or other complications;
>
> when the same wanted to update to CentOS 8 he/she had to do a new install;
>
> what happens to CentOS Str
RH EL 8.3 released at the end of October 2020.
Planned 8.4 would be at the end of April 2021.
Now that CentOS has bridged the gap with 8.3 + updates, can we tell that
what is going into Stream right now will begin to be the upcoming RH EL 8.4
and so that in the next five months we will get a real s
On 10/12/2020 2:39 μ.μ., Steve Thompson wrote:
On Wed, 9 Dec 2020, Joshua Kramer wrote:
It can, however, be mitigated if RedHat backtracks, admits their
mistake, and affirmatively commits to support future CentOS point
releases. I'll be interested to see how this turns out.
It may already b
On Thu, 10 Dec 2020 10:17:04 +0100
Nicolas Kovacs wrote:
> Le 09/12/2020 à 17:52, Frank Cox a écrit :
> > Is it necessary to create an Oracle account to do anything with Oracle Linux
> > that can't be done without creating an account? In other words, does Oracle
> > Linux demand that you log into
Le 10/12/2020 à 17:18, Frank Cox a écrit :
> Is it just the part at the bottom that says "Free to use, free to download,
> free to update. Always."
That's it. I know Oracle's history, but I think for Oracle Linux, they may be
much better than their reputation.
I'm currently fiddling around with
On 12/9/20 9:32 AM, Brendan Conoboy wrote:
On Wed, Dec 9, 2020 at 1:41 AM Pete Biggs wrote:
I think what a lot of people are concerned about is the rolling-release
aspect of this. There will be no definitive versioning of CentOS in the
future - all you will be able to say is "fully updated" a
On Thu, 10 Dec 2020 17:21:43 +0100
Nicolas Kovacs wrote:
> Le 10/12/2020 à 17:18, Frank Cox a écrit :
> > Is it just the part at the bottom that says "Free to use, free to download,
> > free to update. Always."
>
> That's it. I know Oracle's history, but I think for Oracle Linux, they may be
> mu
On 12/9/20 11:15 AM, Neil Thompson wrote:
On Wed, 9 Dec 2020 at 18:06, Phelps, Matthew
wrote:
Hear! HEAR!
NOBODY asked.
OK. We get it. We all get it loud and clear. You're pissed off.
There's two things you can do about that -
1) accept reality and start making plans to deal with it, o
On Thu, Dec 10, 2020 at 5:31 PM Frank Cox wrote:
>
>
> Ok, thanks!
>
> I think I'll play with it in a Virtual Box installation and see what goes
> on.
>
> It does look interesting. It's just, you know... Oracle
>
>
>
But also Virtual Box is just, you know... Oracle... ;-)
Sorry, I couldn't
On 12/9/20 1:11 PM, Tom Bishop wrote:
Well looks like the jokes have already started, some one from work sent
this to me this morning - https://centos.rip/
No association etc not sure who etc...
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Reminds me of when Anderson Consulting,
Am 10.12.20 um 16:51 schrieb Pete Biggs:
when someone has installed a CentOS 7.1 in the past,
and did 'yum update' regularily, his/she got a CentOS 7.8 now without
any reinstallation procedure or other complications;
when the same wanted to update to CentOS 8 he/she had to do a new install;
On Wed, 9 Dec 2020, Johnny Hughes wrote:
On 12/9/20 8:54 AM, Bernstein, Noam CIV USN NRL (6393) Washington DC
(USA) via CentOS wrote:
On Dec 9, 2020, at 9:45 AM, Johnny Hughes
mailto:joh...@centos.org>> wrote:
CentOS Stream is built from the currently released RHEL Source Code + 0.1
So if RH
On Thu, 10 Dec 2020 17:34:55 +0100
Gianluca Cecchi wrote:
> But also Virtual Box is just, you know... Oracle... ;-)
>
> Sorry, I couldn't resist
Yeah, I was thinking exactly that when I typed that sentence, too. :)
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> On Dec 10, 2020, at 11:50 AM, m...@tdiehl.org wrote:
>
> So if I understand this correctly, centos8 + will basically be a rolling
> release
> and we will never know what we are really running. Is this correct?
That's my understanding, iff you automatically install all CentOS stream
updates th
On Thu, Dec 10, 2020 at 12:02 PM Bernstein, Noam CIV USN NRL (6393)
Washington DC (USA) via CentOS wrote:
> > On Dec 10, 2020, at 11:50 AM, m...@tdiehl.org wrote:
> >
> > So if I understand this correctly, centos8 + will basically be a rolling
> release
> > and we will never know what we are real
On Thu, Dec 10, 2020 at 11:50:00AM -0500, m...@tdiehl.org wrote:
> So if I understand this correctly, centos8 + will basically be a rolling
> release and we will never know what we are really running. Is this
> correct?
No, this is not the case. There will be continuous updates, but all of these
u
On Thu, Dec 10, 2020 at 05:02:17PM +, Bernstein, Noam CIV USN NRL (6393)
Washington DC (USA) via CentOS wrote:
> That's my understanding, iff you automatically install all CentOS stream
> updates the moment they become available. But I still don't see why nearly
> no one is going for the idea
On Thu, Dec 10, 2020 at 12:09 PM Matthew Miller wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 10, 2020 at 05:02:17PM +, Bernstein, Noam CIV USN NRL
> (6393) Washington DC (USA) via CentOS wrote:
> > That's my understanding, iff you automatically install all CentOS stream
> > updates the moment they become available.
I agree with you matt, the community should be listened to, it is not
possible that it is the decision of a few for something, it is that CentOS is
part of the OpenSource ecosystem.
Regards,
On Wed, Dec 9, 2020 at 1:27 PM Phelps, Matthew
wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 9, 2020 at 11:19 AM Marc Balmer via
On Thu, Dec 10, 2020 at 12:11:51PM -0500, Phelps, Matthew wrote:
> > Yeah, I have some sysadmin friends already working on exactly this for
> > their deployment in a large-scale academic setting.
> >
> Do you not see the huge irony here?
> Why should a sysadmin have to do this?
> We shouldn't.
Wel
On Thu, Dec 10, 2020 at 11:09 AM Matthew Miller wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 10, 2020 at 05:02:17PM +, Bernstein, Noam CIV USN NRL
> (6393) Washington DC (USA) via CentOS wrote:
> > That's my understanding, iff you automatically install all CentOS stream
> > updates the moment they become available.
On December 10, 2020 11:08:50 AM EST, Nikolaos Milas wrote:
>On 10/12/2020 2:39 μ.μ., Steve Thompson wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 9 Dec 2020, Joshua Kramer wrote:
>>
>>> It can, however, be mitigated if RedHat backtracks, admits their
>>> mistake, and affirmatively commits to support future CentOS point
>>
On 10.12.2020 23:18, Frank Cox wrote:
> On Thu, 10 Dec 2020 10:17:04 +0100
> Nicolas Kovacs wrote:
>
>> Le 09/12/2020 à 17:52, Frank Cox a écrit :
>>> Is it necessary to create an Oracle account to do anything with Oracle
Linux
>>> that can't be done without creating an account? In other words,
On Thu, Dec 10, 2020 at 12:20 PM Matthew Miller wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 10, 2020 at 12:11:51PM -0500, Phelps, Matthew wrote:
> > > Yeah, I have some sysadmin friends already working on exactly this for
> > > their deployment in a large-scale academic setting.
> > >
> > Do you not see the huge irony
On 10/12/2020 17:20, Matthew Miller wrote:
On Thu, Dec 10, 2020 at 12:11:51PM -0500, Phelps, Matthew wrote:
Yeah, I have some sysadmin friends already working on exactly this for
their deployment in a large-scale academic setting.
Do you not see the huge irony here?
Why should a sysadmin have
On Thu, Dec 10, 2020 at 4:12 AM Gerhard Schneider
wrote:
>
>
> Is there anything known about the future of CentosPlus after moving to a
> Pre-RHEL CentOS Stream?
>
> It would be of no interest to RedHat..
>
> Gerhard Schneider
As the maintainer of the plus kernel for the last 10+ years, I'd like
On Wed, Dec 9, 2020 at 8:52 PM Joshua Kramer
wrote:
> Hello All-
>
> After reading and digesting a ton of community chatter about the
> recent CentOS announcement I've come to the conclusion that there's a
> lot of good about this, but there are also a lot of concerns that are
> being ignored. A
In moving a test machine from 8.3 to 8-stream the main thing I've
noticed is that dnf has become very verbose. It's as if someone has
turned on the -v permanently.
I've tried using '-q' (it says nothing then) and I've tried adjusting
the debuglevel, but nothing seems to affect it. I get things
On 12/10/2020 9:08 AM, Matthew Miller wrote:
On Thu, Dec 10, 2020 at 11:50:00AM -0500, m...@tdiehl.org wrote:
So if I understand this correctly, centos8 + will basically be a rolling
release and we will never know what we are really running. Is this
correct?
No, this is not the case. There will
Am 10.12.20 um 18:02 schrieb Bernstein, Noam CIV USN NRL (6393)
Washington DC (USA) via CentOS:
On Dec 10, 2020, at 11:50 AM, m...@tdiehl.org wrote:
So if I understand this correctly, centos8 + will basically be a rolling release
and we will never know what we are really running. Is this correct
Am 10.12.20 um 18:09 schrieb Matthew Miller:
On Thu, Dec 10, 2020 at 05:02:17PM +, Bernstein, Noam CIV USN NRL (6393)
Washington DC (USA) via CentOS wrote:
That's my understanding, iff you automatically install all CentOS stream
updates the moment they become available. But I still don't se
Il 2020-12-10 18:40 Brendan Conoboy ha scritto:
Hey, you dropped Centos-devel from your reply. I'll assume that was
intentional, but if it wasn't feel free to quote any of this back
there.
Hi Brendan, no, it was not intentional - I replied from the smartphone
and I accidentally dropped the ce
Am 10.12.20 um 18:53 schrieb Pete Biggs:
In moving a test machine from 8.3 to 8-stream the main thing I've
noticed is that dnf has become very verbose. It's as if someone has
turned on the -v permanently.
I've tried using '-q' (it says nothing then) and I've tried adjusting
the debuglevel, but
On 12/10/20 11:45 AM, Akemi Yagi wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 10, 2020 at 4:12 AM Gerhard Schneider
> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Is there anything known about the future of CentosPlus after moving to a
>> Pre-RHEL CentOS Stream?
>>
>> It would be of no interest to RedHat..
>>
>> Gerhard Schneider
>
> As the mainta
On 12/10/20 5:28 PM, mark wrote:
> On 12/9/20 9:32 AM, Brendan Conoboy wrote:
>> On Wed, Dec 9, 2020 at 1:41 AM Pete Biggs wrote:
>>
I think what a lot of people are concerned about is the rolling-release
> aspect of this. There will be no definitive versioning of CentOS in
> the
"It takes years to build a reputation and seconds to destroy it."
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On 12/10/20 5:50 PM, Frank Cox wrote:
> On Thu, 10 Dec 2020 17:34:55 +0100
> Gianluca Cecchi wrote:
>
>> But also Virtual Box is just, you know... Oracle... ;-)
>>
>> Sorry, I couldn't resist
>
> Yeah, I was thinking exactly that when I typed that sentence, too. :)
>
There is always Springdal
Someone is smarter then Red Hat/IBM, "Carpe Diem":
Announcing Open-sourced & Community-Driven RHEL Fork by CloudLinux
(https://blog.cloudlinux.com/announcing-open-sourced-community-driven-rhel-fork-by-cloudlinux)
CentOS is a fork of Red Hat Enterprise Linux (RHEL) and undoubtedly a
popular choic
El jue, 10 dic 2020 a las 15:48, Kienker, Fred ()
escribió:
> "It takes years to build a reputation and seconds to destroy it."
>
> -- Business 101 class
>
>
Fear not in DEVops world you can rebuild your reputation in one seconds
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+1
Looks like between Springdale, Rocky and CloudLinux there will be options.
Such a bad decision that RH made to do this...
On Thu, Dec 10, 2020, 1:05 PM Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote:
> Someone is smarter then Red Hat/IBM, "Carpe Diem":
>
> Announcing Open-sourced & Community-Driven RHEL Fork by C
Le 10/12/2020 à 17:31, Frank Cox a écrit :
> I think I'll play with it in a Virtual Box installation and see what goes on.
>
> It does look interesting. It's just, you know... Oracle
On a side note, the migration script centos2ol.sh currently only works for
Oracle Linux 7. On a whim I sent a
On 12/10/20 10:01 AM, Gianluca Cecchi wrote:
> RH EL 8.3 released at the end of October 2020.
> Planned 8.4 would be at the end of April 2021.
> Now that CentOS has bridged the gap with 8.3 + updates, can we tell that
> what is going into Stream right now will begin to be the upcoming RH EL 8.4
> a
On 12/10/20 10:50 AM, m...@tdiehl.org wrote:
> On Wed, 9 Dec 2020, Johnny Hughes wrote:
>
>> On 12/9/20 8:54 AM, Bernstein, Noam CIV USN NRL (6393) Washington DC
>> (USA) via CentOS wrote:
>>> On Dec 9, 2020, at 9:45 AM, Johnny Hughes
>>> mailto:joh...@centos.org>> wrote:
>>>
>>> CentOS Stream is
Am 10.12.20 um 19:53 schrieb Ljubomir Ljubojevic:
On 12/10/20 5:50 PM, Frank Cox wrote:
On Thu, 10 Dec 2020 17:34:55 +0100
Gianluca Cecchi wrote:
But also Virtual Box is just, you know... Oracle... ;-)
Sorry, I couldn't resist
Yeah, I was thinking exactly that when I typed that sentence, t
On Thu, Dec 10, 2020 at 02:47:09PM -0300, Victor Pereira wrote:
> My first impression when I read the news was that some MBA had made the
> decision and I decided to find out if there were Red Hat developers
> Unemployed ... :-), which would give me light that it was a decision made
> at the point
Le 10/12/2020 à 00:51, Joshua Kramer a écrit :
> After reading and digesting a ton of community chatter about the
> recent CentOS announcement I've come to the conclusion that there's a
> lot of good about this, but there are also a lot of concerns that are
> being ignored.
What Stream brings: sur
after reading some info on centos stream is a rolling release. i'm
wondering applying
updates, upgrades to centos stream will use the same commands as before
or something new?
thanks
edward
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On 11.12.2020 02:08, Sergio Belkin wrote:
> El jue, 10 dic 2020 a las 15:48, Kienker, Fred ()
> escribió:
>
>> "It takes years to build a reputation and seconds to destroy it."
>>
>> -- Business 101 class
>>
>>
> Fear not in DEVops world you can rebuild your reputation in one seconds
> using conta
Personally, I think that changing focus on CentOS Stream is going to
make CentOS (and maybe even RHEL) better in the same way and for the
same reasons that Fedora is a better distribution than Red Hat Linux
was. CentOS Stream should fix the biggest problems that CentOS has had
in the past, pro
On 11.12.2020 08:25, Gordon Messmer wrote:
[...]
> For practical purposes, CentOS Stream will need to be fully patched for
> compatibility purposes, just like CentOS is, and will be equally suited
> for production purposes.
Allow me to disagree. We both trust Chris Wright's words, don't we? CTO
Look at Rocky Linux rockylinux.org It is set to become what CentOS was
before it was sucked in by RH and sold to IBM, a Community Enterprise OS.
On 12/8/2020 8:15 AM, Pete Biggs wrote:
Forgive a bit of cynicism ...
On Tue, 2020-12-08 at 09:06 -0500, Rich Bowen wrote:
The future of the CentOS
With the release of the vmlinuz-4.18.0-240.x and vmlinuz-
4.18.0.193.19.x kernels, ZoL cannot connect with a ZFS pool. I'm not
100% sure, but I believe the last CentOS 8 kernel to work with ZFS
0.8.5 was 4.18.0.6.x.
Obviously CentOS does not support ZFS, so this means the ZoL folks must
find and f
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