Re: [CentOS] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

2020-12-08 Thread Matthew Miller
On Tue, Dec 08, 2020 at 11:42:01PM +, Pete Biggs wrote: > I too would be interested to know what happens to CentOS 8 Stream once > focus of RedHat moves to RHEL 9? The life cycle document says the last > release of RHEL8 will be 8.10, that's a five year road map (since point > releases seem to

Re: [CentOS] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

2020-12-08 Thread Richard G
For the record, I don't think this is a good decision because it changes what CentOS is (its "core mission" in business-speak). On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 2:07 PM Rich Bowen wrote: > > The future of the CentOS Project is CentOS Stream, and over the next > year we’ll be shifting focus from CentOS Linu

[CentOS] Future of CentOS 7

2020-12-08 Thread Yves Bellefeuille
"Rich Bowen" wrote: > Meanwhile, we understand many of you are deeply invested in CentOS > Linux 7, and we'll continue to produce that version through the > remainder of the RHEL 7 life cycle. You say now that you'll support CentOS 7 until the end, but you also said you'd support CentOS 8 unt

Re: [CentOS] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

2020-12-08 Thread Pete Biggs
On Tue, 2020-12-08 at 17:54 -0500, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Tue, Dec 08, 2020 at 03:15:17PM +, Pete Biggs wrote: > > "CentOS will become the developer playground" > > This one is categorically not the case. Even Fedora isn't a developer > playground. Everything landing in CentOS Stream is a

Re: [CentOS] [CentOS-devel] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

2020-12-08 Thread Phelps, Matthew
Was this decision forced, despite objection, on the CentOS board by the RedHat Liaison? Yes or No? On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 9:06 AM Rich Bowen wrote: > The future of the CentOS Project is CentOS Stream, and over the next > year we’ll be shifting focus from CentOS Linux, the rebuild of Red Hat >

Re: [CentOS] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

2020-12-08 Thread Johnny Hughes
On 12/8/20 5:29 PM, Phelps, Matthew wrote: > On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 6:05 PM Johnny Hughes wrote: > >> On 12/8/20 3:40 PM, Jim Bourne wrote: >>> On 08/12/2020 15:48, Johnny Hughes wrote: I promise you, to the best of my knowledge, IBM had nothing to do with this decision. Red Hat is a d

Re: [CentOS] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

2020-12-08 Thread Johnny Hughes
On 12/8/20 6:18 PM, Pete Biggs wrote: > On Tue, 2020-12-08 at 17:54 -0500, Matthew Miller wrote: >> On Tue, Dec 08, 2020 at 03:15:17PM +, Pete Biggs wrote: > >>> "CentOS will become the developer playground" >> >> This one is categorically not the case. Even Fedora isn't a developer >> playgro

Re: [CentOS] Future of CentOS 7

2020-12-08 Thread Johnny Hughes
On 12/8/20 6:04 PM, Yves Bellefeuille wrote: > "Rich Bowen" wrote: > >> Meanwhile, we understand many of you are deeply invested in CentOS >> Linux 7, and we'll continue to produce that version through the >> remainder of the RHEL 7 life cycle. > > You say now that you'll support CentOS 7 unt

Re: [CentOS] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

2020-12-08 Thread Phelps, Matthew
On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 7:32 PM Johnny Hughes wrote: > On 12/8/20 5:29 PM, Phelps, Matthew wrote: > > On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 6:05 PM Johnny Hughes wrote: > > > >> On 12/8/20 3:40 PM, Jim Bourne wrote: > >>> On 08/12/2020 15:48, Johnny Hughes wrote: > I promise you, to the best of my knowledg

Re: [CentOS] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

2020-12-08 Thread Pete Biggs
> > It is not the same as Rawhide is all I am saying. > > It is based on the current release and it is being modified for some reason. > > That modification can be a bugfix from a reported bug, it can be an > enhancement for a given package or it can be a security update. > > Each of these upd

Re: [CentOS] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

2020-12-08 Thread Brendan Conoboy
On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 4:19 PM Pete Biggs wrote: > On Tue, 2020-12-08 at 17:54 -0500, Matthew Miller wrote: > > On Tue, Dec 08, 2020 at 03:15:17PM +, Pete Biggs wrote: > > > > "CentOS will become the developer playground" > > > > This one is categorically not the case. Even Fedora isn't a dev

Re: [CentOS] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

2020-12-08 Thread Brendan Conoboy
On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 6:00 PM Pete Biggs wrote: > The problem is that we won't know if it will work. When CentOS matched > the RHEL point releases we knew that an RPM/driver targeted for RHEL > 8.2 has a good chance of working on CentOS 8.2 - but that versioning > match is lost with Stream. So

Re: [CentOS] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

2020-12-08 Thread Alexandru Pătrănescu
On Tue, Dec 8, 2020, 22:58 Johnny Hughes wrote: > On 12/8/20 1:04 PM, Paul Heinlein wrote: > > On Tue, 8 Dec 2020, Rich Bowen wrote: > > > >> The future of the CentOS Project is CentOS Stream, and over the next > >> year we’ll be shifting focus from CentOS Linux, the rebuild of Red Hat > >> Enter

Re: [CentOS] [CentOS-devel] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

2020-12-08 Thread Kingsly John
+++ Rainer Duffner [2020-12-08 15:42:20]: > If your business case resolves around being able to freeload on the work of > others, then there’s a serious problem with the business case. That applies to IBM/RHEL too. They aren't paying for every bit of software that is packaged in the distribution.

Re: [CentOS] [CentOS-devel] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

2020-12-08 Thread Veli-Pekka Kestilä
On 9.12.2020 0.38, Matthew Miller wrote: On Tue, Dec 08, 2020 at 08:34:54AM -0600, Christopher Wensink wrote: Is it possible that more regressions will get through than have before? Well, sure, some. But let's not pretend that even RHEL is ever regression-free. It's software, after all, and ther

Re: [CentOS] strange RPM dependency observed in CentOS 7

2020-12-08 Thread Walter H.
On 08.12.2020 15:12, Jonathan Billings wrote: On Tue, Dec 08, 2020 at 02:54:03PM +0100, Walter H. wrote: Yes, then the interesting question, how can I make use of these GeoIP-features when doing these e.g. nslookup    200:470:17:55::1 nslookup    222.10.10.1 nslookup   www.centos.org host w

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