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[CentOS] strange RPM dependency observed in CentOS 7

2020-12-08 Thread Walter H.
Hello, can someone explain, why the two packages -  GeoIP -  geoipupdate are needed when installing the bind-utils package? yum install bind-utils ...  Package

Re: [CentOS] strange RPM dependency observed in CentOS 7

2020-12-08 Thread Jonathan Billings
On Tue, Dec 08, 2020 at 02:33:01PM +0100, Walter H. wrote: > can someone explain, why the two packages > -  GeoIP > -  geoipupdate > are needed when installing the bind-utils package? The bind-utils package requires 'libGeoIP.so.1()(64bit)', which is provided by the GeoIP package. The GeoIP packa

Re: [CentOS] strange RPM dependency observed in CentOS 7

2020-12-08 Thread Walter H.
On 08.12.2020 14:44, Jonathan Billings wrote: On Tue, Dec 08, 2020 at 02:33:01PM +0100, Walter H. wrote: can someone explain, why the two packages -  GeoIP -  geoipupdate are needed when installing the bind-utils package? The bind-utils package requires 'libGeoIP.so.1()(64bit)', which is provid

[CentOS] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

2020-12-08 Thread Rich Bowen
The future of the CentOS Project is CentOS Stream, and over the next year we’ll be shifting focus from CentOS Linux, the rebuild of Red Hat Enterprise Linux (RHEL), to CentOS Stream, which tracks just ahead of a current RHEL release. CentOS Linux 8, as a rebuild of RHEL 8, will end at the end o

Re: [CentOS] strange RPM dependency observed in CentOS 7

2020-12-08 Thread Jonathan Billings
On Tue, Dec 08, 2020 at 02:54:03PM +0100, Walter H. wrote: > Yes, then the interesting question, how can I make use of these > GeoIP-features when > doing these e.g. > > nslookup    200:470:17:55::1 > nslookup    222.10.10.1 > nslookup   www.centos.org > host www.centos.org Looking at the sou

Re: [CentOS] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

2020-12-08 Thread Tom Bishop
On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 8:07 AM Rich Bowen wrote: > The future of the CentOS Project is CentOS Stream, and over the next > year we’ll be shifting focus from CentOS Linux, the rebuild of Red Hat > Enterprise Linux (RHEL), to CentOS Stream, which tracks just ahead of a > current RHEL release. CentOS

Re: [CentOS] [CentOS-devel] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

2020-12-08 Thread Phelps, Matthew
This is really, really bad for the majority of us using CentOS. Is there any way we can lobby for the reversal of this decision? Remember that the -devel mailing list, and IRC channels *do not* represent the vast majority of CentOS users. Most of us are just sysadmins trying to keep our systems th

Re: [CentOS] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

2020-12-08 Thread Bill Gee
Aside from the the latest shiny - what are the advantages of CentOS 8 Stream? What are the benefits? I read through the announcement and FAQ, but they do not address that question. Is it just a name change? Is it an attempt to put CentOS on a subscription model? -- Bill Gee On Tuesday,

Re: [CentOS] [CentOS-devel] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

2020-12-08 Thread Christopher Wensink
I agree this is shocking news.  If we don't want to be beta testers and want to continue to use a stable tested OS should we be moving to RHEL servers?  Is there a license-free RHEL server option that is the recommended path from using CentOS? Chris On 12/8/2020 8:32 AM, Phelps, Matthew wrote

Re: [CentOS] [CentOS-devel] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

2020-12-08 Thread Laack, Andrea P
We would also have to spend an extraordinary amount of work moving off CentOS. We currently run it on production servers and would no longer be able to run it if it was beta. This will affect thousands of CentOS business users who use it because it is stable and not a beta. Andrea -Orig

Re: [CentOS] [CentOS-devel] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

2020-12-08 Thread Tom Bishop
LOL, laughing with you not at you, license free RHEL. Just RHEL (IBM) wanting to increase the coffers for RHEL. I know, I know thats not whats really happening but yeah that is what is really happening. If you want a tested production worthy server install based on RHEL then you will have to pay

Re: [CentOS] [CentOS-devel] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

2020-12-08 Thread Rainer Duffner
> Am 08.12.2020 um 15:32 schrieb Phelps, Matthew : > > This is really, really bad for the majority of us using CentOS. > Of course it is. > Is there any way we can lobby for the reversal of this decision? Remember > that the -devel mailing list, and IRC channels *do not* represent the vast

Re: [CentOS] [CentOS-devel] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

2020-12-08 Thread Phelps, Matthew
On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 9:42 AM Rainer Duffner wrote: > > > > Am 08.12.2020 um 15:32 schrieb Phelps, Matthew >: > > > > This is really, really bad for the majority of us using CentOS. > > > > > > Of course it is. > > > > Is there any way we can lobby for the reversal of this decision? Remember >

Re: [CentOS] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

2020-12-08 Thread Johnny Hughes
On 12/8/20 8:35 AM, Bill Gee wrote: > Aside from the the latest shiny - what are the advantages of CentOS 8 Stream? > What are the benefits? > > I read through the announcement and FAQ, but they do not address that > question. Is it just a name change? Is it an attempt to put CentOS on a > s

Re: [CentOS] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

2020-12-08 Thread Leon Fauster via CentOS
Am 08.12.20 um 15:15 schrieb Tom Bishop: On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 8:07 AM Rich Bowen wrote: The future of the CentOS Project is CentOS Stream, and over the next year we’ll be shifting focus from CentOS Linux, the rebuild of Red Hat Enterprise Linux (RHEL), to CentOS Stream, which tracks just ahe

Re: [CentOS] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

2020-12-08 Thread Johnny Hughes
On 12/8/20 8:35 AM, Bill Gee wrote: > Aside from the the latest shiny - what are the advantages of CentOS 8 Stream? > What are the benefits? > > I read through the announcement and FAQ, but they do not address that > question. Is it just a name change? Is it an attempt to put CentOS on a > s

Re: [CentOS] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

2020-12-08 Thread Pete Biggs
Forgive a bit of cynicism ... On Tue, 2020-12-08 at 09:06 -0500, Rich Bowen wrote: > The future of the CentOS Project is CentOS Stream, and over the next > year we’ll be shifting focus from CentOS Linux, the rebuild of Red Hat > Enterprise Linux (RHEL), to CentOS Stream, which tracks just ahead

Re: [CentOS] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

2020-12-08 Thread Laack, Andrea P
It appears that Red Hat has taken ownership of a free and opensource OS and is now making decisions regarding it. Maybe it is time to look at Oracle Linux. Andrea -Original Message- From: CentOS On Behalf Of Pete Biggs Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2020 9:15 AM To: centos@centos.org Subje

Re: [CentOS] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

2020-12-08 Thread Harold Toms
On 08/12/2020 15:15, Pete Biggs wrote: So as far as I can see all the RHEL rebuilds are dead now - WhiteBox, Scientific Linux, now CentOS. Are there any left? Springdale: http://springdale.math.ias.edu/ -- Harold Toms SBCS NMR Manager Working from home _

Re: [CentOS] [CentOS-devel] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

2020-12-08 Thread Phelps, Matthew
On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 9:06 AM Rich Bowen wrote: > The future of the CentOS Project is CentOS Stream, and over the next > year we’ll be shifting focus from CentOS Linux, the rebuild of Red Hat > Enterprise Linux (RHEL), to CentOS Stream, which tracks just ahead of a > current RHEL release. CentOS

Re: [CentOS] [CentOS-devel] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

2020-12-08 Thread Jonathan Billings
On Tue, Dec 08, 2020 at 10:28:30AM -0500, Phelps, Matthew wrote: > You have published a CentOS Lifecycle that states the EOL for CentOS 8 is > May 2029. (c.f. https://endoflife.software/operating-systems/linux/centos). > CentOS Stream *is not* CentOS 8. > > This announcement is a breach of that tr

Re: [CentOS] [CentOS-devel] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

2020-12-08 Thread Phelps, Matthew
On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 10:28 AM Phelps, Matthew wrote: > > > On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 9:06 AM Rich Bowen wrote: > >> The future of the CentOS Project is CentOS Stream, and over the next >> year we’ll be shifting focus from CentOS Linux, the rebuild of Red Hat >> Enterprise Linux (RHEL), to CentOS

Re: [CentOS] [CentOS-devel] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

2020-12-08 Thread Phelps, Matthew
On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 10:39 AM Jonathan Billings wrote: > On Tue, Dec 08, 2020 at 10:28:30AM -0500, Phelps, Matthew wrote: > > You have published a CentOS Lifecycle that states the EOL for CentOS 8 is > > May 2029. (c.f. > https://endoflife.software/operating-systems/linux/centos). > > CentOS St

Re: [CentOS] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

2020-12-08 Thread Marc Balmer via CentOS
This really pisses me off. You published CentOS 8 with a promise to support it until May 2029. Now you betray all users that took you by the mouth by stating it's EOL december 31. 2021. Do you really think that was a smart move? > Am 08.12.2020 um 15:06 schrieb Rich Bowen : > > The future of

Re: [CentOS] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

2020-12-08 Thread Julio E. Gonzalez
I am already using Oracle Linux in some servers. Free as CentOS, faster updates than CentOS, and with some extra support, BTRFS and a newer kernel, for example. On 12/8/20 12:15 PM, Pete Biggs wrote: Red Hat's perspective is "CentOS is ours now; IBM have told us to make sure it's pulling it

Re: [CentOS] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

2020-12-08 Thread Phelps, Matthew
On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 10:58 AM Julio E. Gonzalez wrote: > I am already using Oracle Linux in some servers. > > Free as CentOS, faster updates than CentOS, and with some extra support, > BTRFS and a newer kernel, for example. > > > I expect their usage is about to explode. I've always feared a g

Re: [CentOS] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

2020-12-08 Thread John Thomas
I'll probably switch to Debian over the new year. On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 8:01 AM Phelps, Matthew wrote: > On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 10:58 AM Julio E. Gonzalez > wrote: > > > I am already using Oracle Linux in some servers. > > > > Free as CentOS, faster updates than CentOS, and with some extra su

Re: [CentOS] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

2020-12-08 Thread Laack, Andrea P
Many CentOS users are also RedHat customers. Those RedHat customers may currently be rethinking their RedHat investment given this change of events. We currently run Oracle Linux on a number of servers and have been very pleased with it. Andrea -Original Message- From: CentOS On Beh

Re: [CentOS] [CentOS-devel] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

2020-12-08 Thread Rich Bowen
On 12/8/20 10:41 AM, Phelps, Matthew wrote: On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 10:39 AM Jonathan Billings wrote: On Tue, Dec 08, 2020 at 10:28:30AM -0500, Phelps, Matthew wrote: You have published a CentOS Lifecycle that states the EOL for CentOS 8 is May 2029. (c.f. https://endoflife.software/operat

Re: [CentOS] [CentOS-devel] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

2020-12-08 Thread Marc Balmer via CentOS
> Am 08.12.2020 um 17:15 schrieb Rich Bowen : > > > > On 12/8/20 10:41 AM, Phelps, Matthew wrote: >> On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 10:39 AM Jonathan Billings >> wrote: >>> On Tue, Dec 08, 2020 at 10:28:30AM -0500, Phelps, Matthew wrote: You have published a CentOS Lifecycle that states the EOL

Re: [CentOS] [CentOS-devel] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

2020-12-08 Thread Tom Bishop
On Tue, Dec 8, 2020, 10:15 AM Rich Bowen wrote: > > > On 12/8/20 10:41 AM, Phelps, Matthew wrote: > > On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 10:39 AM Jonathan Billings > > wrote: > > > >> On Tue, Dec 08, 2020 at 10:28:30AM -0500, Phelps, Matthew wrote: > >>> You have published a CentOS Lifecycle that states the

Re: [CentOS] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

2020-12-08 Thread Lange, Markus
Hi, this is really bad news. Back in 2014 [1], sadly no one at RH seems to remember... "Some of the things that are not changing: - - The CentOS Linux platform isn't changing. The process and methods built up around the platform however are going to become more open, more inclusive and transpare

Re: [CentOS] [CentOS-devel] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

2020-12-08 Thread Jonathan Billings
On Tue, Dec 08, 2020 at 11:15:04AM -0500, Rich Bowen wrote: > That page was never a contract. It's a web page published by an open source > project. Please do not misconstrue it as a contract. I don't think anyone seriously thought it was a contract. Open Source works largely on trust. Trust tha

Re: [CentOS] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

2020-12-08 Thread J Martin Rushton via CentOS
To be fair, that was a commitment RH gave. They are now a department within Big Blue and must dance to their tune. Of course you could always try holding your breath and awaiting the sell off to Lenovo in about five years time. On 08/12/2020 16:25, Lange, Markus wrote: Hi, this is really b

[CentOS] Update CentOS 6 one last time?

2020-12-08 Thread Paul Storck via CentOS
Hello, is it possible to install the final updates for CentOS 6? I ran a yum update and I received this message "Error: Cannot find a valid baseurl for repo: base" I assume it's due to the EOL of CentOS 6? Thank you, Paul ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@

Re: [CentOS] [CentOS-devel] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

2020-12-08 Thread Phelps, Matthew
On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 11:15 AM Rich Bowen wrote: > > > On 12/8/20 10:41 AM, Phelps, Matthew wrote: > > On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 10:39 AM Jonathan Billings > > wrote: > > > >> On Tue, Dec 08, 2020 at 10:28:30AM -0500, Phelps, Matthew wrote: > >>> You have published a CentOS Lifecycle that states t

Re: [CentOS] [CentOS-devel] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

2020-12-08 Thread Johnny Hughes
On 12/8/20 10:29 AM, Jonathan Billings wrote: > On Tue, Dec 08, 2020 at 11:15:04AM -0500, Rich Bowen wrote: >> That page was never a contract. It's a web page published by an open source >> project. Please do not misconstrue it as a contract. > > I don't think anyone seriously thought it was a con

Re: [CentOS] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

2020-12-08 Thread Nicolas Kovacs
Le 08/12/2020 à 16:12, Johnny Hughes a écrit : > Another very good thing > > There is no longer a huge delay of a drop of 750 packages at once and a > delay of more than a month to get a new release. > > There will be on delay in stream .. it will be a constantly rolling > distribution .. updates

Re: [CentOS] Update CentOS 6 one last time?

2020-12-08 Thread Subscriber
- On Dec 8, 2020, at 6:31 PM, Paul Storck via CentOS centos@centos.org wrote: > Hello, is it possible to install the final updates for CentOS 6? > I ran a yum update and I received this message "Error: Cannot find a valid > baseurl for repo: base" > I assume it's due to the EOL of CentOS 6?

Re: [CentOS] Update CentOS 6 one last time?

2020-12-08 Thread Johnny Hughes
On 12/8/20 10:31 AM, Paul Storck via CentOS wrote: > Hello, is it possible to install the final updates for CentOS 6? > I ran a yum update and I received this message "Error: Cannot find a valid > baseurl for repo: base" > I assume it's due to the EOL of CentOS 6? > Yes, and archived version of

[CentOS] CentOS 8 future

2020-12-08 Thread Satish Patel
Folks, What is going on here https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/ CentOS 8's future is not looking bright. Recently deployed CentOS8 on my production workload and now hearing this. What do other folks think about this? ___ CentOS mai

Re: [CentOS] [CentOS-devel] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

2020-12-08 Thread Rich Bowen
On 12/8/20 11:29 AM, Jonathan Billings wrote: I see a lot of promises that Stream will have better engagement with the community. Why would we trust these promises? "Better engagement with the community" of course requires that the community step up and engage. Trust isn't something anyone

Re: [CentOS] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

2020-12-08 Thread Nicolas Kovacs
Le 08/12/2020 à 16:54, Marc Balmer via CentOS a écrit : > This really pisses me off. You published CentOS 8 with a promise to support > it until May 2029. > > Now you betray all users that took you by the mouth by stating it's EOL > december 31. 2021. > > Do you really think that was a smart mov

Re: [CentOS] [CentOS-devel] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

2020-12-08 Thread Phelps, Matthew
On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 11:59 AM Rich Bowen wrote: > > > On 12/8/20 11:29 AM, Jonathan Billings wrote: > > I see a lot of promises that Stream will have better engagement with > > the community. Why would we trust these promises? > > "Better engagement with the community" of course requires that

Re: [CentOS] [CentOS-devel] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

2020-12-08 Thread Tom Bishop
On Tue, Dec 8, 2020, 10:59 AM Rich Bowen wrote: > > > On 12/8/20 11:29 AM, Jonathan Billings wrote: > > I see a lot of promises that Stream will have better engagement with > > the community. Why would we trust these promises? > > "Better engagement with the community" of course requires that th

Re: [CentOS] [CentOS-devel] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

2020-12-08 Thread Phelps, Matthew
I still haven't seen an answer to the question, "Who made this decision?" and, "How can we lobby to get it changed?" On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 9:06 AM Rich Bowen wrote: > The future of the CentOS Project is CentOS Stream, and over the next > year we’ll be shifting focus from CentOS Linux, the reb

Re: [CentOS] [CentOS-devel] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

2020-12-08 Thread Johnny Hughes
On 12/8/20 11:02 AM, Phelps, Matthew wrote: > On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 11:59 AM Rich Bowen wrote: > >> >> >> On 12/8/20 11:29 AM, Jonathan Billings wrote: >>> I see a lot of promises that Stream will have better engagement with >>> the community. Why would we trust these promises? >> >> "Better en

[CentOS] unsubscribe

2020-12-08 Thread Daniel Worden
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2020-12-08 Thread John Pierce
On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 9:12 AM Daniel Worden wrote: > Could you please unsubscribe this email address. I was not aware of the > volume of messages this would create and I would like to resubscire using a > different email address. > > Thank you, > Daniel Worden > _

Re: [CentOS] [CentOS-devel] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

2020-12-08 Thread Tom Bishop
On Tue, Dec 8, 2020, 11:11 AM Johnny Hughes wrote: > On 12/8/20 11:02 AM, Phelps, Matthew wrote: > > On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 11:59 AM Rich Bowen wrote: > > > >> > >> > >> On 12/8/20 11:29 AM, Jonathan Billings wrote: > >>> I see a lot of promises that Stream will have better engagement with > >>>

Re: [CentOS] [CentOS-devel] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

2020-12-08 Thread Rainer Duffner
> Am 08.12.2020 um 18:02 schrieb Phelps, Matthew : > > The whole point of CentOS was so that we didn't have to "engage." We don't > have time for that. > You do understand that Open Source does not work like that? > We just want a stable re-compile of RHEL, as promised. CentOS has been > di

Re: [CentOS] [CentOS-devel] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

2020-12-08 Thread Marc Balmer via CentOS
Am I the only one to perceive CentOS/RedHat team members responses as quite arrogant? > Am 08.12.2020 um 18:11 schrieb Johnny Hughes : > > On 12/8/20 11:02 AM, Phelps, Matthew wrote: >>> On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 11:59 AM Rich Bowen wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On 12/8/20 11:29 AM, Jonathan Billings

Re: [CentOS] [CentOS-devel] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

2020-12-08 Thread Phelps, Matthew
On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 12:11 PM Johnny Hughes wrote: > On 12/8/20 11:02 AM, Phelps, Matthew wrote: > > On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 11:59 AM Rich Bowen wrote: > > > >> > >> > >> On 12/8/20 11:29 AM, Jonathan Billings wrote: > >>> I see a lot of promises that Stream will have better engagement with > >

Re: [CentOS] unsubscribe

2020-12-08 Thread Johnny Hughes
On 12/8/20 11:12 AM, Daniel Worden wrote: > Could you please unsubscribe this email address. I was not aware of the > volume of messages this would create and I would like to resubscire using a > different email address. Done. Thanks, Johnny Hughes __

Re: [CentOS] [CentOS-devel] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

2020-12-08 Thread Phelps, Matthew
On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 12:20 PM Marc Balmer via CentOS wrote: > Am I the only one to perceive CentOS/RedHat team members responses as > quite arrogant? > Clearly, you haven't been around here long. :) This is par for the course here, and extremely frustrating. > > > Am 08.12.2020 um 18:11 sc

Re: [CentOS] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

2020-12-08 Thread J Martin Rushton via CentOS
The first thing Oracle wants is for you to sign up for an Oracle account. Hmm, I'll give Springdale a try. For those with long memories, remember the DEC RDMS promises prior to take over, and the aftermath? On 08/12/2020 15:58, Julio E. Gonzalez wrote: I am already using Oracle Linux in som

Re: [CentOS] [CentOS-devel] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

2020-12-08 Thread Johnny Hughes
On 12/8/20 11:19 AM, Marc Balmer via CentOS wrote: > Am I the only one to perceive CentOS/RedHat team members responses as quite > arrogant? I am sorry you feel that way. I was trying to help. Red Hat has several programs where they give away RHEL for free. CentOS Stream is free. CentOS Linux

Re: [CentOS] [CentOS-devel] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

2020-12-08 Thread Tom Bishop
On Tue, Dec 8, 2020, 11:29 AM Johnny Hughes wrote: > On 12/8/20 11:19 AM, Marc Balmer via CentOS wrote: > > Am I the only one to perceive CentOS/RedHat team members responses as > quite arrogant? > > I am sorry you feel that way. I was trying to help. Red Hat has > several programs where they g

Re: [CentOS] [CentOS-devel] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

2020-12-08 Thread Phelps, Matthew
On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 12:29 PM Johnny Hughes wrote: > On 12/8/20 11:19 AM, Marc Balmer via CentOS wrote: > > Am I the only one to perceive CentOS/RedHat team members responses as > quite arrogant? > > I am sorry you feel that way. I was trying to help. Red Hat has > several programs where they

Re: [CentOS] [CentOS-devel] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

2020-12-08 Thread Phelps, Matthew
On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 12:35 PM Phelps, Matthew wrote: > > > On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 12:29 PM Johnny Hughes wrote: > >> On 12/8/20 11:19 AM, Marc Balmer via CentOS wrote: >> > Am I the only one to perceive CentOS/RedHat team members responses as >> quite arrogant? >> >> I am sorry you feel that w

[CentOS] Is Oracle a real alternative to Centos?

2020-12-08 Thread Frank Cox
Is Oracle a real alternative to Centos? I'm asking because genuinely don't know; I've never paid any attention to Oracle's Linux offering before now. But today I've seen a couple of the folks here mention Oracle Linux and I see that Oracle even offers a script to convert Centos 7 to Oracle. No

Re: [CentOS] [CentOS-devel] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

2020-12-08 Thread Jon Pruente
On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 11:43 AM Phelps, Matthew wrote: > "Since March 2004, CentOS Linux has been a community-supported distribution > derived from sources freely provided to the public by Red Hat. As such, > CentOS Linux aims to be functionally compatible with RHEL." > I hate to jump in as a De

Re: [CentOS] Is Oracle a real alternative to Centos?

2020-12-08 Thread Jon Pruente
On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 11:54 AM Frank Cox wrote: > Is Oracle a real alternative to Centos? I'm asking because genuinely > don't know; I've never paid any attention to Oracle's Linux offering before > now. > > But today I've seen a couple of the folks here mention Oracle Linux and I > see that Or

Re: [CentOS] [CentOS-devel] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

2020-12-08 Thread Alan Mead
On 12/8/2020 11:28 AM, Johnny Hughes wrote: > I have been doing this for 17 years. I would continue doing for 17 > more. But it is what it is and wishing for it to be different is not > going to happen. I know .. I've tried. We owe everyone who worked on CentOS a big thank you. I think a lot of

Re: [CentOS] CentOS 8 future

2020-12-08 Thread Robert G. (Doc) Savage via CentOS
On Tue, 2020-12-08 at 11:58 -0500, Satish Patel wrote: > Folks, > > What is going on here > https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/ > > CentOS 8's future is not looking bright. Recently deployed CentOS8 on > my production workload and now hearing this. What do other folks > think

Re: [CentOS] [CentOS-devel] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

2020-12-08 Thread Phelps, Matthew
On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 9:06 AM Rich Bowen wrote: > The future of the CentOS Project is CentOS Stream, and over the next > year we’ll be shifting focus from CentOS Linux, the rebuild of Red Hat > Enterprise Linux (RHEL), to CentOS Stream, which tracks just ahead of a > current RHEL release. CentOS

Re: [CentOS] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

2020-12-08 Thread Paul Heinlein
On Tue, 8 Dec 2020, Rich Bowen wrote: The future of the CentOS Project is CentOS Stream, and over the next year we’ll be shifting focus from CentOS Linux, the rebuild of Red Hat Enterprise Linux (RHEL), to CentOS Stream, which tracks just ahead of a current RHEL release. CentOS Linux 8, as a r

Re: [CentOS] [CentOS-devel] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

2020-12-08 Thread Leon Fauster via CentOS
Am 08.12.20 um 18:11 schrieb Johnny Hughes: On 12/8/20 11:02 AM, Phelps, Matthew wrote: On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 11:59 AM Rich Bowen wrote: On 12/8/20 11:29 AM, Jonathan Billings wrote: I see a lot of promises that Stream will have better engagement with the community. Why would we trust th

Re: [CentOS] [CentOS-devel] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

2020-12-08 Thread Strahil Nikolov via CentOS
If anyone is considering to fork CentOS 8 (I'm not talking about that "Stream"), count me in. Otherwise I will switch to openSUSE Leap. At least they are not pushing me some testing ground. Best Regards, Strahil Nikolov В 12:07 -0500 на 08.12.2020 (вт), Phelps, Matthew написа: > I still haven't

Re: [CentOS] [CentOS-devel] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

2020-12-08 Thread Mike via CentOS
Would love to see this get off the ground: Gregory Kurtzer says: I am considering creating another rebuild of RHEL and may even be able to hire some people for this effort. If you are interested in helping, please join the HPCng slack (link on the website hpcng.org). Greg (original

Re: [CentOS] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

2020-12-08 Thread centos
On 08/12/2020 15:48, Johnny Hughes wrote: On 12/8/20 8:35 AM, Bill Gee wrote: Aside from the the latest shiny - what are the advantages of CentOS 8 Stream? What are the benefits? I read through the announcement and FAQ, but they do not address that question. Is it just a name change? Is it

Re: [CentOS] [CentOS-devel] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

2020-12-08 Thread John Pierce
On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 11:02 AM Phelps, Matthew wrote: > Please sign this petition if you don't want the CentOS Board to implement > this decision: > > > https://www.change.org/p/centos-governing-board-do-not-destroy-centos-by-using-it-as-a-rhel-upstream > > Or... don't if you are happy with the

Re: [CentOS] [CentOS-devel] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

2020-12-08 Thread centos
On 08/12/2020 20:01, Phelps, Matthew wrote: On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 9:06 AM Rich Bowen wrote: The future of the CentOS Project is CentOS Stream, and over the next year we’ll be shifting focus from CentOS Linux, the rebuild of Red Hat Enterprise Linux (RHEL), to CentOS Stream, which tracks just

Re: [CentOS] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

2020-12-08 Thread Johnny Hughes
On 12/8/20 1:04 PM, Paul Heinlein wrote: > On Tue, 8 Dec 2020, Rich Bowen wrote: > >> The future of the CentOS Project is CentOS Stream, and over the next >> year we’ll be shifting focus from CentOS Linux, the rebuild of Red Hat >> Enterprise Linux (RHEL), to CentOS Stream, which tracks just ahead

Re: [CentOS] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

2020-12-08 Thread Johnny Hughes
On 12/8/20 2:01 PM, cen...@niob.at wrote: > On 08/12/2020 15:48, Johnny Hughes wrote: >> On 12/8/20 8:35 AM, Bill Gee wrote: >>> Aside from the the latest shiny - what are the advantages of CentOS 8 >>> Stream?  What are the benefits? >>> >>> I read through the announcement and FAQ, but they do not

Re: [CentOS] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

2020-12-08 Thread Strahil Nikolov via CentOS
> I promise you, to the best of my knowledge, IBM had nothing to do > with > this decision. Red Hat is a distinct unit inside IBM and Red Hat > still > has a CEO, CFO, etc. Red Hat also maintains a neutral relationship > with > many IBM competitors. So this was not an IBM decision. > So why is

Re: [CentOS] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

2020-12-08 Thread Nicolas Kovacs
Le 08/12/2020 à 21:56, Johnny Hughes a écrit : > And, it will likely be sometime mid to late 1st quarter 2021 before > CentOS Stream is in its 'Fully Functional' state with community pull > requests and the RHEL package maintainer doing all the work in CentOS > Stream, etc . CentOS Linux 8 will st

Re: [CentOS] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

2020-12-08 Thread Phelps, Matthew
On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 4:02 PM Johnny Hughes wrote: > On 12/8/20 2:01 PM, cen...@niob.at wrote: > > On 08/12/2020 15:48, Johnny Hughes wrote: > >> On 12/8/20 8:35 AM, Bill Gee wrote: > >>> Aside from the the latest shiny - what are the advantages of CentOS 8 > >>> Stream? What are the benefits?

Re: [CentOS] Update CentOS 6 one last time?

2020-12-08 Thread Paul Storck via CentOS
Thank you for the response. I added (copied, edited, pasted from the C6.9 section) the following to the /etc/yum.repos.d/CentOS-Vault.repo file but I still get the same error message. I'm thinking the paths are incorrect in my file because when I try to go to directly to the URL (http://vault.cent

Re: [CentOS] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

2020-12-08 Thread Frank Cox
On Tue, 8 Dec 2020 22:12:50 +0100 Nicolas Kovacs wrote: > A colleague of mine - the most proficient admin I personally know - already > decided to move to Oracle Linux. And I'm currently considering it as an > option. This sounds like a reasonable path forward, but I wonder if Oracle will simply

Re: [CentOS] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

2020-12-08 Thread Leon Fauster via CentOS
Am 08.12.20 um 21:56 schrieb Johnny Hughes: On 12/8/20 1:04 PM, Paul Heinlein wrote: On Tue, 8 Dec 2020, Rich Bowen wrote: The future of the CentOS Project is CentOS Stream, and over the next year we’ll be shifting focus from CentOS Linux, the rebuild of Red Hat Enterprise Linux (RHEL), to Cen

Re: [CentOS] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

2020-12-08 Thread Jim Bourne
On 08/12/2020 15:48, Johnny Hughes wrote: I promise you, to the best of my knowledge, IBM had nothing to do with this decision. Red Hat is a distinct unit inside IBM and Red Hat still has a CEO, CFO, etc. Red Hat also maintains a neutral relationship with many IBM competitors. So this was not a

Re: [CentOS] CentOS 8 future

2020-12-08 Thread R C
On 12/8/20 11:44 AM, Robert G. (Doc) Savage via CentOS wrote: On Tue, 2020-12-08 at 11:58 -0500, Satish Patel wrote: Folks, What is going on here https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/ CentOS 8's future is not looking bright. Recently deployed CentOS8 on my production worklo

Re: [CentOS] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

2020-12-08 Thread DHilsbos
Paul; How do you intend to test, and measure stability? I'm not trying to be contrary, or facetious, I'm looking to learn something in this situation. Thank you, Dominic L. Hilsbos, MBA Director – Information Technology Perform Air International Inc. dhils...@performair.com www.PerformAir.c

Re: [CentOS] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

2020-12-08 Thread michael Schumacher
> A colleague of mine - the most proficient admin I personally know - already > decided to move to Oracle Linux. And I'm currently considering it as an > option. And Larry Ellison is sitting in his office laughing his ass off. Happy guy with a nice christmas gift from the RH board of director

[CentOS] Debug information packages for 8.3 missing?

2020-12-08 Thread Oliver Freyermuth via CentOS
Dear all, after the upgrade from 8.2 to 8.3 one of the applications we use has unclear Kerberos authentication issues. I was going to diagnose these and tried: yum debuginfo-install krb5-libs However, I get: Could not find debuginfo package for the following installed packages: krb5-libs-1

Re: [CentOS] Update CentOS 6 one last time?

2020-12-08 Thread Richard
> Date: Tuesday, December 08, 2020 13:25:42 -0800 > From: Paul Storck via CentOS > >> On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 8:45 AM Subscriber >> wrote: >> >> > - On Dec 8, 2020, at 6:31 PM, Paul Storck wrote: >> >> > Hello, is it possible to install the final updates for CentOS 6? >> > I ran a yum up

Re: [CentOS] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

2020-12-08 Thread Phelps, Matthew
On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 4:13 PM Phelps, Matthew wrote: > > > On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 4:02 PM Johnny Hughes wrote: > >> On 12/8/20 2:01 PM, cen...@niob.at wrote: >> > On 08/12/2020 15:48, Johnny Hughes wrote: >> >> On 12/8/20 8:35 AM, Bill Gee wrote: >> >>> Aside from the the latest shiny - what ar

Re: [CentOS] CentOS 8 future

2020-12-08 Thread Matthew Miller
On Tue, Dec 08, 2020 at 12:44:36PM -0600, Robert G. (Doc) Savage via CentOS wrote: > > CentOS 8's future is not looking bright. Recently deployed CentOS8 on my > > production workload and now hearing this. What do other folks think > > about this? > Speaking only for myself, I am ready to give up

Re: [CentOS] [CentOS-devel] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

2020-12-08 Thread Matthew Miller
On Tue, Dec 08, 2020 at 08:34:54AM -0600, Christopher Wensink wrote: > I agree this is shocking news.  If we don't want to be beta testers > and want to continue to use a stable tested OS should we be moving > to RHEL servers?  Is there a license-free RHEL server option that is > the recommended pa

Re: [CentOS] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

2020-12-08 Thread Matthew Miller
On Tue, Dec 08, 2020 at 03:15:17PM +, Pete Biggs wrote: > Forgive a bit of cynicism ... Sure, some cynicism is absolutely warranted. It's a big change. > "If you want to keep using RHEL for free, you will have to put up with > making sure that our paying customers get better quality releases

Re: [CentOS] [CentOS-devel] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

2020-12-08 Thread Matthew Miller
On Tue, Dec 08, 2020 at 11:28:58AM -0600, Johnny Hughes wrote: > > Am I the only one to perceive CentOS/RedHat team members responses as quite > > arrogant? > I am sorry you feel that way. I was trying to help. Red Hat has Yeah, um, if I'm coming across as arrogant, I apologize. I genuinely thi

Re: [CentOS] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

2020-12-08 Thread Johnny Hughes
On 12/8/20 3:40 PM, Jim Bourne wrote: > On 08/12/2020 15:48, Johnny Hughes wrote: >> I promise you, to the best of my knowledge, IBM had nothing to do with >> this decision.  Red Hat is a distinct unit inside IBM and Red Hat still >> has a CEO, CFO, etc.  Red Hat also maintains a neutral relationsh

Re: [CentOS] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

2020-12-08 Thread Phelps, Matthew
Forget about IBM. We were told way back in 2014, when Red Hat bought CentOS, that CentOS would remain independent from RedHat. This is clearly bullshit now. So we were totally misled into adopting the platform with the belief that what we were getting would stay the same, an unsupported recompile

Re: [CentOS] Update CentOS 6 one last time?

2020-12-08 Thread Johnny Hughes
On 12/8/20 3:25 PM, Paul Storck via CentOS wrote: > Thank you for the response. I added (copied, edited, pasted from the C6.9 > section) the following to the /etc/yum.repos.d/CentOS-Vault.repo file but > I still get the same error message. > I'm thinking the paths are incorrect in my file because

Re: [CentOS] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

2020-12-08 Thread Phelps, Matthew
On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 6:05 PM Johnny Hughes wrote: > On 12/8/20 3:40 PM, Jim Bourne wrote: > > On 08/12/2020 15:48, Johnny Hughes wrote: > >> I promise you, to the best of my knowledge, IBM had nothing to do with > >> this decision. Red Hat is a distinct unit inside IBM and Red Hat still > >> h

Re: [CentOS] Update CentOS 6 one last time?

2020-12-08 Thread Paul Storck via CentOS
We resolved the issue by modifying the CentOS-Base.repo by adding the appropriate URL's to the various sections, for example: baseurl=http://vault.centos.org/6.10/os/$basearch/ Thank you, Paul On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 1:25 PM Paul Storck wrote: > Thank you for the response. I added (copied, edite

Re: [CentOS] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

2020-12-08 Thread Phelps, Matthew
On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 6:05 PM Johnny Hughes wrote: > On 12/8/20 3:40 PM, Jim Bourne wrote: > > On 08/12/2020 15:48, Johnny Hughes wrote: > >> I promise you, to the best of my knowledge, IBM had nothing to do with > >> this decision. Red Hat is a distinct unit inside IBM and Red Hat still > >> h

Re: [CentOS] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

2020-12-08 Thread Pete Biggs
> > FAQ:"Updates for the CentOS Stream 8 distribution continue through the > full RHEL support phase." > > What does this "full" exactly means? Will C8S be "closed" in May 31, > 2024 [*] but RHEL8 still supported through Maintenance support mode > until 2029? I too would be interested to know

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