On 07/08/2014 03:41 AM, Always Learning wrote:
>
> On Mon, 2014-07-07 at 21:34 -0400, Scott Robbins wrote:
>
>> No systemd in FreeBSD. It isn't Linux, and like any O/S, has its own
>> oddities.
>>
>> It would take more adjustment, IMHO, to go from CentOS 6.x to FreeBSD than
>> to go to 7.x. (
Hello Reindl,
On Thu, 03 Jul 2014 01:52:27 +0200 Reindl Harald wrote:
>
> Am 03.07.2014 00:37, schrieb wwp:
> > I'm trying to get sound from applications running from other users bug
> > the one who owns the current GNOME sessions.
> >
> > Typically, my default user is "A" and he's running th
Hello Robert,
On Mon, 07 Jul 2014 12:01:15 -0500 Robert Nichols
wrote:
> On 07/05/2014 02:46 AM, wwp wrote:
> > Hello Michael,
> >
> >
> > On Fri, 4 Jul 2014 16:55:51 -0500 (CDT) Michael Hennebry
> > wrote:
> >
> >> On Fri, 4 Jul 2014, wwp wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Fri, 4 Jul 2014 11:25:33 -0500
On 07/07/2014 06:47 PM, Always Learning wrote:
> Reading about systemd, it seems it is not well liked and reminiscent of
> Microsoft's "put everything into the Windows Registry" (Win 95 onwards).
>
> Is there a practical alternative to omnipresent, or invasive, systemd ?
>
The answer to this is no
I manage several Fedora 14 servers. They was not upgraded due to
several reasons (systemd unreliability, K12LTSP support absence),
some newer packages I was building & updating manually, some
other (OpenOffice, Mozilla) was possible update from projects
binaries.
Now I consider the options to migra
Johnny Hughes wrote:
> On 07/07/2014 06:47 PM, Always Learning wrote:
>> Reading about systemd, it seems it is not well liked and reminiscent of
>> Microsoft's "put everything into the Windows Registry" (Win 95 onwards).
>>
>> Is there a practical alternative to omnipresent, or invasive, systemd ?
there is a tui of centos 6 kickstart.
and now there is no such tui, only text line output.
is there an option to enable tui of centos 7 kickstart?
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On 07/08/2014 10:26 AM, 彭勇 wrote:
> there is a tui of centos 6 kickstart.
>
> and now there is no such tui, only text line output.
>
> is there an option to enable tui of centos 7 kickstart?
>
>
there is a TUI for the installer, but it will only kick in if you are
not running noninteractive mo
thanks for your kind help.
i add inst.cmdline option as a boot option or "cmdline" option to my
kickstart file, there still no TUI.
15.1.2. Installation in Non-Interactive Line Mode
If the inst.cmdline option was specified as a boot option in your
parameter file (see Section 18.4, “Parameter
Am 07.07.2014 um 20:30 schrieb Karanbir Singh :
> We would like to announce the general availability of CentOS Linux 7
> for 64 bit x86 compatible machines.
Hi Karanbir, JFYI: wrong GnomeLive.iso-URI in this announcement.
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On 08/07/14 02:22, Always Learning wrote:
>
> On Mon, 2014-07-07 at 20:46 -0400, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
>
>> On 07/07/2014 07:47 PM, Always Learning wrote:
>>> Reading about systemd, it seems it is not well liked and reminiscent of
>>> Microsoft's "put everything into the Windows Registry" (Win
On Mon, Jul 07, 2014 at 06:50:21PM -0700, Russell Miller wrote:
>
> On Jul 7, 2014, at 6:34 PM, Scott Robbins wrote:
> >
> > No systemd in FreeBSD. It isn't Linux, and like any O/S, has its own
> > oddities.
> >
> > It would take more adjustment, IMHO, to go from CentOS 6.x to FreeBSD than
>
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On 08.07.2014 09:12, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote:
> On 07/08/2014 03:41 AM, Always Learning wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, 2014-07-07 at 21:34 -0400, Scott Robbins wrote:
>>
>>> No systemd in FreeBSD. It isn't Linux, and like any O/S, has its own
>>> oddities.
>>>
>>> It would take more adjustment, IMHO, to
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> Assunto: Re: [CentOS] tui of centos 7 kickstart
>
> thanks for your kind help.
>
> i add inst.cmdline option as a boot option or "cmdline" option to my
On 08.07.2014 13:57, Scott Robbins wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 07, 2014 at 06:50:21PM -0700, Russell Miller wrote:
>>
>> On Jul 7, 2014, at 6:34 PM, Scott Robbins wrote:
>>>
>>> No systemd in FreeBSD. It isn't Linux, and like any O/S, has its own
>>> oddities.
>>>
>>> It would take more adjustment, IM
I still prefer IPTables, so in Fedora I simply disabled firewalld and enabled
IPTables. No need to uninstall. I have read that IPTables will continue to be
available alongside firewalld for the unspecified future.
Note that IPTables rule syntax and structure have evolved so your ruleset may
nee
On 07/08/2014 04:22 AM, Always Learning wrote:
>
> On Mon, 2014-07-07 at 20:46 -0400, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
>
>> On 07/07/2014 07:47 PM, Always Learning wrote:
>>> Reading about systemd, it seems it is not well liked and reminiscent of
>>> Microsoft's "put everything into the Windows Registry"
On 08.07.2014 14:35, David Both wrote:
> I still prefer IPTables, so in Fedora I simply disabled firewalld and enabled
> IPTables. No need to uninstall. I have read that IPTables will continue to be
> available alongside firewalld for the unspecified future.
Be careful with this though. A while
On Tue, Jul 08, 2014 at 02:09:49PM +0200, Dennis Jacobfeuerborn wrote:
> On 08.07.2014 13:57, Scott Robbins wrote:
> >
> > Now that it's insinuated itself in the RHEL system, I do wonder if it is
> > going to start driving people away. In many ways, IMHO, RH has become the
> > Windows of Linux
On 07/07/2014 05:04 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
> Wasn't there an upstart somewhere?
:-)
Why, of course, as in:
[lowen@dhcp-pool107 ~]$ rpm -qa|grep ^upstart
upstart-0.6.5-13.el6_5.3.x86_64
[lowen@dhcp-pool107 ~]$
This box is CentOS 6. Upstart was around for a few Fedora releases up
through F14
On 08.07.2014 14:58, Adrian Sevcenco wrote:
> On 07/08/2014 04:22 AM, Always Learning wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, 2014-07-07 at 20:46 -0400, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
>>
>>> On 07/07/2014 07:47 PM, Always Learning wrote:
Reading about systemd, it seems it is not well liked and reminiscent of
Micro
On 07/08/2014 08:09 AM, Dennis Jacobfeuerborn wrote:
> On 08.07.2014 13:57, Scott Robbins wrote:
>> On Mon, Jul 07, 2014 at 06:50:21PM -0700, Russell Miller wrote:
>>> On Jul 7, 2014, at 6:34 PM, Scott Robbins wrote:
No systemd in FreeBSD. It isn't Linux, and like any O/S, has its own
o
On 07/08/2014 04:06 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
>
> Am 08.07.2014 14:58, schrieb Adrian Sevcenco:
>> On 07/08/2014 04:22 AM, Always Learning wrote:
>>>
>>> On Mon, 2014-07-07 at 20:46 -0400, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
>>>
On 07/07/2014 07:47 PM, Always Learning wrote:
> Reading about systemd, i
On 08.07.2014 15:22, Steve Clark wrote:
> On 07/08/2014 08:09 AM, Dennis Jacobfeuerborn wrote:
>> On 08.07.2014 13:57, Scott Robbins wrote:
>>> On Mon, Jul 07, 2014 at 06:50:21PM -0700, Russell Miller wrote:
On Jul 7, 2014, at 6:34 PM, Scott Robbins wrote:
> No systemd in FreeBSD. It isn
On 08/07/14 14:14, Dennis Jacobfeuerborn wrote:
> On 08.07.2014 14:58, Adrian Sevcenco wrote:
>> On 07/08/2014 04:22 AM, Always Learning wrote:
>>>
>>> On Mon, 2014-07-07 at 20:46 -0400, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
>>>
On 07/07/2014 07:47 PM, Always Learning wrote:
> Reading about systemd, it
On 07/08/2014 08:42 AM, Dennis Jacobfeuerborn wrote:
> On 08.07.2014 15:22, Steve Clark wrote:
>> On 07/08/2014 08:09 AM, Dennis Jacobfeuerborn wrote:
>>> On 08.07.2014 13:57, Scott Robbins wrote:
On Mon, Jul 07, 2014 at 06:50:21PM -0700, Russell Miller wrote:
> On Jul 7, 2014, at 6:34 PM,
Hello there. I've just downloaded the CentOS v7.0 via torrent and am
trying to verify the gpg signature for the file with hashes. When I do
"gpg --verify sha256sum.txt.asc" I get the key ID of F4A80EB5. Then I'm
trying to get the public key with "gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys
F4A8
On 07/08/2014 04:30 AM, Frantisek Hanzlik wrote:
> I manage several Fedora 14 servers. They was not upgraded due to
> several reasons (systemd unreliability, K12LTSP support absence),
> some newer packages I was building & updating manually, some
> other (OpenOffice, Mozilla) was possible update fr
Dear all,
1.Is it possible to convert centos iso file to vmlinuz, initrd and
rfs_raw.img.
2.Can I use only vmlinux, initrd and rfs_raw.img to install via pxeboot.
Please share your information regarding this.
Thanks and regards
Dilip Kumar B
L&T Technology Services Ltd
www.LntTechse
Dennis Jacobfeuerborn wrote:
> On 08.07.2014 14:35, David Both wrote:
>> I still prefer IPTables, so in Fedora I simply disabled firewalld and
>> enabled IPTables. No need to uninstall. I have read that IPTables will
>> continue to be available alongside firewalld for the unspecified future.
>> On
Scott Robbins wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 08, 2014 at 02:09:49PM +0200, Dennis Jacobfeuerborn wrote:
>> On 08.07.2014 13:57, Scott Robbins wrote:
>> > Now that it's insinuated itself in the RHEL system, I do wonder if it
>> is going to start driving people away. In many ways, IMHO, RH has become
>> the
Dilip Basavaraju wrote:
>
> 1.Is it possible to convert centos iso file to vmlinuz, initrd and
> rfs_raw.img.
>
> 2.Can I use only vmlinux, initrd and rfs_raw.img to install via
> pxeboot.
>
> Please share your information regarding this.
Perhaps you should speak to either co-workers or yo
i have "text" option in kickstart file which is upgrade from CentOS 6,
here is snippet:
#System language
lang en_US.UTF-8
#System keyboard
keyboard us
#Sytem timezone
timezone --utc Asia/Shanghai
rootpw changeme
#Reboot after installation
reboot
# non-interactive text line mode
cmdline
#Use
On Jul 8, 2014, at 5:09 AM, Dennis Jacobfeuerborn wrote:
>
> That presumes that your conservative attitude is the majority opinion
> though. Systemd is one of the features that I have been looking forward
> to in CentOS 7 because of the new capabilities it provides so while this
> will surely dr
On 07/08/2014 10:49 AM, Russell Miller wrote:
> On Jul 8, 2014, at 5:09 AM, Dennis Jacobfeuerborn
> wrote:
>> That presumes that your conservative attitude is the majority opinion
>> though. Systemd is one of the features that I have been looking forward
>> to in CentOS 7 because of the new capab
On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 10:49 AM, Russell Miller wrote:
>
> On Jul 8, 2014, at 5:09 AM, Dennis Jacobfeuerborn
> wrote:
> >
> > That presumes that your conservative attitude is the majority opinion
> > though. Systemd is one of the features that I have been looking forward
> > to in CentOS 7 becau
On Jul 8, 2014, at 7:58 AM, Reindl Harald wrote:
>
> and the next one talking before try to get informations
> there is no monolithic daemon damned
>
> there is one project with one source tree maintaining
> a lot of daemons and binaries - so be quite before
> you tried to learn some basics
Ge
On Tue, 8 Jul 2014 08:05:07 -0700
Russell Miller wrote:
> Generally when people get personal I figure I must have hit a nerve.
>
> I must have hit a nerve.
>
> I didn't say it was windows-like. I said it was more windows-like
> than I was comfortable with. Even with multiple daemons, It's s
Oliver Schad wrote:
> On Tue, 8 Jul 2014 08:05:07 -0700
> Russell Miller wrote:
>
>
>> Generally when people get personal I figure I must have hit a nerve.
>>
>> I must have hit a nerve.
>>
>> I didn't say it was windows-like. I said it was more windows-like
>> than I was comfortable with. Even
On Tue, 08 Jul 2014 09:04:59 -0500
Johnny Hughes wrote:
> And this is indeed the crux of the matter ... systemd is NOT just
> about booting or boot up time (combing posts here .. but this is the
> answer to, why use this on a server where fast booting is not
> important).
Systemd is emacs for
On 8.7.2014 17:25, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
> Dennis Jacobfeuerborn wrote:
>> The problem firewalld tries to solve is that nowadays you often want to
>> insert temporary rules that should only be active while a certain
>> application is running. This collides a bit with the way iptables works.
>> Fo
On Tue, 2014-07-08 at 15:58 +0300, Adrian Sevcenco wrote:
> On 07/08/2014 04:22 AM, Always Learning wrote:
> >
> > http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_topic&q=systemd
> >
> > The systemd proponent, advocate and chief developer? wants to
> > abolish /etc and /var in favour of having the /
On Tue, 2014-07-08 at 15:14 +0200, Dennis Jacobfeuerborn wrote:
> There are no plans to "abolish" /etc and /var.
>
> The idea is that rather than say proftpd shipping a default config file
> /etc/proftpd.conf that you then have to edit for you needs instead it
> will ship the default config some
On 07/08/2014 11:37 AM, Always Learning wrote:
> Please see the link above. I used it to find the 'stateless' item, and
> after selecting it clicked on
>
> http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/stateless.html
There are many use cases involving servers where such a capability would
be highly desirable.
On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 8:42 AM, Dennis Jacobfeuerborn
wrote:
> Also the switch from messy bash scripts to a declarative
> configuration makes things easier once you get used to the syntax.
Sorry, but I'd recommend that anyone who thinks shell syntax is
'messy' just stay away from unix-like system
On Mon, 7 Jul 2014, Pete Travis wrote:
> Asus and the like don't make BIOS, they get it from AMI or Phoenix or
> whatever. It will usually say in POST screens or in the setup itself;
> failing that, it might be etched on the chip itself.
Thanks. That enabled me to find
http://www.bioscentral.c
On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 9:49 AM, Russell Miller wrote:
>
> On Jul 8, 2014, at 5:09 AM, Dennis Jacobfeuerborn
> wrote:
> >
> > That presumes that your conservative attitude is the majority opinion
> > though. Systemd is one of the features that I have been looking forward
> > to in CentOS 7 becaus
On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 10:58 AM, Lamar Owen wrote:
> >
> And dynamic spinup of servers to handle increased load is a use case for
> systemd's rapid bootup. They go hand-in-hand.
Don't know about your servers, but ours take much, much longer for
their boot-time memory and hardware tests and initi
On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 11:05 AM, Andrew Wyatt wrote:
> >>
> This is an unfortunate problem in the community today, anyone who disagrees
> with status-quo is "just an antique", it's insulting to say the least. It
> doesn't matter our experience, we're just "causing trouble" because we
> "don't wan
On 7/8/2014 8:49 AM, Russell Miller wrote:
> For the record, I'm not uncomfortable with change. I'm uncomfortable with
> stupid,
> poorly thought out, monolithic change that ignores half a century of the UNIX
> philosophy.
> And creating a daemon that tries to handle everything but the kitchen s
On 07/08/2014 11:58 AM, Les Mikesell wrote:
> ... How much is this going to cost a typical company _just_ to keep
> their existing programs working the same way over the next decade
> (which is a relatively short time in terms of business-process changes)?
Les, this is the wrong question to ask
On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 10:59 AM, Tony Schreiner
wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 10:49 AM, Russell Miller wrote:
>
>>
>> On Jul 8, 2014, at 5:09 AM, Dennis Jacobfeuerborn
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > That presumes that your conservative attitude is the majority opinion
>> > though. Systemd is one of the f
On 07/08/2014 11:05 AM, Russell Miller wrote:
> On Jul 8, 2014, at 7:58 AM, Reindl Harald wrote:
>> and the next one talking before try to get informations
>> there is no monolithic daemon damned
>>
>> there is one project with one source tree maintaining
>> a lot of daemons and binaries - so be
On Tue, Jul 08, 2014 at 10:27:41AM -0400, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
> Scott Robbins wrote:
> > On Tue, Jul 08, 2014 at 02:09:49PM +0200, Dennis Jacobfeuerborn wrote:
> >> On 08.07.2014 13:57, Scott Robbins wrote:
>
> >
> > Very true. I do remember Adam Williamson of Fedora commenting on their
> > fo
Hi all,
I’ll just say something about all this, I think mostly as a reflection, on my
15 years of Linux and Unix experience, as a user, as a network admin and as an
Linux/Unix evangelist and Windows/Microsoft hater on my early years:
Systemd is a totally unnecessary change, it goes totally agai
On 07/08/2014 12:06 PM, Les Mikesell wrote:
> Don't know about your servers, but ours take much, much longer for
> their boot-time memory and hardware tests and initialization than
> anything the old style sysvinit scripts do.
Physical servers can be told to skip certain parts of their POST,
es
On 08 July 2014 @16:02 zulu, Michael Hennebry wrote:
> I certainly do not want to have to buy some more DDR2 memory.
>
Usually, memory sticks just need to be removed and reseated, not replaced.
The gold plating is supposed to prevent oxidation of the contact
surfaces, but it can wear off (0.4 mic
On Tue, Jul 08, 2014 at 12:21:43PM -0400, Scott Robbins wrote:
> Wow. This was my bad in assuming everyone knows who Adam is--a very good
> natured and helpful person.
I should also add that Adam's comment was very tongue-in-cheek and aimed at
people who took it that way. Again, I really apo
On 07/08/2014 12:05 PM, Andrew Wyatt wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 9:49 AM, Russell Miller wrote:
>
>> On Jul 8, 2014, at 5:09 AM, Dennis Jacobfeuerborn
>> wrote:
>>> That presumes that your conservative attitude is the majority opinion
>>> though. Systemd is one of the features that I have be
On Jul 8, 2014 10:02 AM, "Michael Hennebry"
wrote:
>
> On Mon, 7 Jul 2014, Pete Travis wrote:
>
> > Asus and the like don't make BIOS, they get it from AMI or Phoenix or
> > whatever. It will usually say in POST screens or in the setup itself;
> > failing that, it might be etched on the chip its
On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 10:16 AM, Dilip Basavaraju <
dilip.kum...@lnttechservices.com> wrote:
> Dear all,
>
>
> 1.Is it possible to convert centos iso file to vmlinuz, initrd and
> rfs_raw.img.
>
Loop mount the ISO, and locate the files you want.
>
> 2.Can I use only vmlinux, initrd and
On Tue, 8 Jul 2014, Lamar Owen wrote:
> Les, this is the wrong question to ask. The question I ask is 'What
> will be my return on investment be, in potentially lower costs, to run
> my programs in a different way?' If there is no ROI, or a really long
> ROI, well, I still have C6 to run until 2
On Tue, 8 Jul 2014, Scott Robbins wrote:
> I should also add that Adam's comment was very tongue-in-cheek and aimed at
> people who took it that way. Again, I really apologize for taking that out
> of context and expecting everyone to somehow magically grasp the context
> especially as it seems i
On 07/08/2014 12:21 PM, Scott Robbins wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 08, 2014 at 10:27:41AM -0400, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
>> Scott Robbins wrote:
>>> On Tue, Jul 08, 2014 at 02:09:49PM +0200, Dennis Jacobfeuerborn wrote:
On 08.07.2014 13:57, Scott Robbins wrote:
>>> Very true. I do remember Adam Willi
You aren't old.
(Sent from iPhone, so please accept my apologies in advance for any spelling or
grammatical errors.)
> On Jul 8, 2014, at 9:49 AM, Russell Miller wrote:
>
>
>> On Jul 8, 2014, at 5:09 AM, Dennis Jacobfeuerborn
>> wrote:
>>
>> That presumes that your conservative attitude
On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 12:36 PM, Gilbert Sebenste
wrote:
> On Tue, 8 Jul 2014, Lamar Owen wrote:
>
>> Les, this is the wrong question to ask. The question I ask is 'What
>> will be my return on investment be, in potentially lower costs, to run
>> my programs in a different way?' If there is no R
On 07/08/2014 12:44 PM, Hal Wigoda wrote:
> You aren't old.
And I am a young 21. three times over. All that means is I have to
learn new stuff now 3 times to get it right! As some people on this
list will attest to :)
Soon I will be 26 (2^6). So that means that I have to then learn
everyt
Michael Hennebry wrote:
> On Mon, 7 Jul 2014, Pete Travis wrote:
>
>> Asus and the like don't make BIOS, they get it from AMI or Phoenix or
>> whatever. It will usually say in POST screens or in the setup itself;
>> failing that, it might be etched on the chip itself.
>
> Thanks. That enabled me
Les Mikesell wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 10:58 AM, Lamar Owen wrote:
>> >
>> And dynamic spinup of servers to handle increased load is a use case for
>> systemd's rapid bootup. They go hand-in-hand.
>
> Don't know about your servers, but ours take much, much longer for
> their boot-time memor
Lamar Owen wrote:
> On 07/08/2014 11:58 AM, Les Mikesell wrote:
>> ... How much is this going to cost a typical company _just_ to keep
>> their existing programs working the same way over the next decade
>> (which is a relatively short time in terms of business-process changes)?
>
> Les, this is th
On 07/08/2014 12:51 PM, Mauricio Tavares wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 12:36 PM, Gilbert Sebenste
> wrote:
>> On Tue, 8 Jul 2014, Lamar Owen wrote:
>>
>>> Les, this is the wrong question to ask. The question I ask is 'What
>>> will be my return on investment be, in potentially lower costs, to
On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 11:13 AM, Lamar Owen wrote:
> On 07/08/2014 11:58 AM, Les Mikesell wrote:
>> ... How much is this going to cost a typical company _just_ to keep
>> their existing programs working the same way over the next decade
>> (which is a relatively short time in terms of business-pro
Scott Robbins wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 08, 2014 at 10:27:41AM -0400, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
>> Scott Robbins wrote:
>> > On Tue, Jul 08, 2014 at 02:09:49PM +0200, Dennis Jacobfeuerborn wrote:
>> >> On 08.07.2014 13:57, Scott Robbins wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > Very true. I do remember Adam Williamson of Fedor
>
>
> Then that grey headed guy or gal
> gentlely leads the Q&A into a critical edge case that completely breaks
> the proposal.
When you do that to a certain developer you get banned from a certain G+
feed for make believe "personal attacks" because changing the conversation
is much simpler th
Lamar Owen wrote:
> On 07/08/2014 12:06 PM, Les Mikesell wrote:
> There are alot of possibilities here, if you're willing to think outside
> the 1970's timesharing minicomputer box that gave rise to the historical
> Unix philosophy. And this has nothing to do with Windows; I have been a
> primari
On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 11:12 AM, Les Mikesell wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 11:05 AM, Andrew Wyatt wrote:
> > >>
> > This is an unfortunate problem in the community today, anyone who
> disagrees
> > with status-quo is "just an antique", it's insulting to say the least.
> It
> > doesn't matter
On Tue, 8 Jul 2014, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
> and did the conversion for display to save another byte. Efficiency?
> We were desperate for every byte we could squeeze out. the US Post
> Office created a standard so that all US cities (and supposedly streets)
> could be entered in 14 characters o
Darr247 wrote:
> On 08 July 2014 @16:02 zulu, Michael Hennebry wrote:
>> I certainly do not want to have to buy some more DDR2 memory.
>>
> Usually, memory sticks just need to be removed and reseated, not replaced.
> The gold plating is supposed to prevent oxidation of the contact
> surfaces, but i
On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 11:25 AM, Lamar Owen wrote:
> Memory tests are redundant with ECC. (I
> know; I have an older SuperMicro server here that passes memory testing
> in POST but throws nearly continuous ECC errors in operation; it does
> operate, though). If it fails during spinup, flag the fa
On 07/08/2014 01:11 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
> Lamar Owen wrote:
>> On 07/08/2014 11:58 AM, Les Mikesell wrote:
>>> ... How much is this going to cost a typical company _just_ to keep
>>> their existing programs working the same way over the next decade
>>> (which is a relatively short time in t
On 7/8/2014 9:25 AM, Lamar Owen wrote:
> Physical servers can be told to skip certain parts of their POST,
> especially the memory test. Memory tests are redundant with ECC.
but, you HAVE to zero ALL of memory with ECC to initialize it.
--
john r pierce 37N
On Tue, 2014-07-08 at 13:19 -0400, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
> ROTFLMAO! And can you explain the difference between "cloud" and
> "time-sharing on a mainframe"?
75 baud on a TTY (clank, clank, clank, ding, thud as the printer head
returned to the beginning of the line) and an amazingly fast speed
On 07/08/2014 08:05 AM, Russell Miller wrote:
> On Jul 8, 2014, at 7:58 AM, Reindl Harald wrote:
>> and the next one talking before try to get informations
>> there is no monolithic daemon damned
>>
>> there is one project with one source tree maintaining
>> a lot of daemons and binaries - so be q
On 08.07.2014 15:53, Ned Slider wrote:
> On 08/07/14 14:14, Dennis Jacobfeuerborn wrote:
>> On 08.07.2014 14:58, Adrian Sevcenco wrote:
>>> On 07/08/2014 04:22 AM, Always Learning wrote:
On Mon, 2014-07-07 at 20:46 -0400, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
> On 07/07/2014 07:47 PM, Always L
On 07/08/2014 01:19 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
> Lamar Owen wrote:
>> On 07/08/2014 12:06 PM, Les Mikesell wrote:
>
>> There are alot of possibilities here, if you're willing to think outside
>> the 1970's timesharing minicomputer box that gave rise to the historical
>> Unix philosophy. And thi
On Tue, 8 Jul 2014, Pete Travis wrote:
> On Jul 8, 2014 10:02 AM, "Michael Hennebry"
> wrote:
>> The beep codes say memory.
>> I ran memtest86 overnight and it passed.
>> That said, I'm not sure how good memtest86 is.
>> Could you suggest a memory test program that might find
>> in a few hours w
On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 12:22 PM, Gilbert Sebenste
wrote:
> On Tue, 8 Jul 2014, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
>
>> and did the conversion for display to save another byte. Efficiency?
>> We were desperate for every byte we could squeeze out. the US Post
>> Office created a standard so that all US citie
On Tue, Jul 08, 2014 at 01:19:58PM -0400, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
> Lamar Owen wrote:
> > On 07/08/2014 12:06 PM, Les Mikesell wrote:
>
> > There are alot of possibilities here, if you're willing to think outside
> > the 1970's timesharing minicomputer box that gave rise to the historical
> > Unix
On 07/08/2014 12:55 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
> On 07/08/2014 12:44 PM, Hal Wigoda wrote:
>> You aren't old.
> And I am a young 21. three times over. All that means is I have to
> learn new stuff now 3 times to get it right! As some people on this
> list will attest to :)
>
> Soon I will be 26
On 07/08/2014 10:36 AM, Always Learning wrote:
> On Tue, 2014-07-08 at 13:19 -0400, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
>
>
>> ROTFLMAO! And can you explain the difference between "cloud" and
>> "time-sharing on a mainframe"?
> 75 baud on a TTY (clank, clank, clank, ding, thud as the printer head
> returned to
Always Learning wrote:
> On Tue, 2014-07-08 at 13:19 -0400, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
>
>> ROTFLMAO! And can you explain the difference between "cloud" and
>> "time-sharing on a mainframe"?
>
> 75 baud on a TTY (clank, clank, clank, ding, thud as the printer head
> returned to the beginning of the li
On 8.7.2014 20:45, Les Mikesell wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 12:22 PM, Gilbert Sebenste
> wrote:
>> On Tue, 8 Jul 2014, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
>>
>>> and did the conversion for display to save another byte. Efficiency?
>>> We were desperate for every byte we could squeeze out. the US Post
>>
On Tue, 8 Jul 2014, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
> Michael Hennebry wrote:
>> On Mon, 7 Jul 2014, Pete Travis wrote:
>>
>>> Asus and the like don't make BIOS, they get it from AMI or Phoenix or
>>> whatever. It will usually say in POST screens or in the setup itself;
>>> failing that, it might be etc
On 07/08/2014 01:45 PM, Les Mikesell wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 12:22 PM, Gilbert Sebenste
> wrote:
>> On Tue, 8 Jul 2014, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
>>
>>> and did the conversion for display to save another byte. Efficiency?
>>> We were desperate for every byte we could squeeze out. the US P
Steve Clark wrote:
> On 07/08/2014 12:55 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
>> On 07/08/2014 12:44 PM, Hal Wigoda wrote:
>>> You aren't old.
>> And I am a young 21. three times over. All that means is I have to
>> learn new stuff now 3 times to get it right! As some people on this
>> list will attest t
On 07/08/2014 01:56 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
> Always Learning wrote:
>> On Tue, 2014-07-08 at 13:19 -0400, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
>>
>>> ROTFLMAO! And can you explain the difference between "cloud" and
>>> "time-sharing on a mainframe"?
>> 75 baud on a TTY (clank, clank, clank, ding, thud as
Michael Hennebry wrote:
> On Tue, 8 Jul 2014, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
>> Michael Hennebry wrote:
>>> On Mon, 7 Jul 2014, Pete Travis wrote:
>>>
Asus and the like don't make BIOS, they get it from AMI or Phoenix or
whatever. It will usually say in POST screens or in the setup itself;
On 7/8/2014 6:53 AM, Ned Slider wrote:
> That's not always true.
>
> Some configs that were under /etc on el6 must now reside under /usr on el7.
>
> Take modprobe blacklists for example.
>
> On el5 and el6 they are in/etc/modprobe.d/
>
> On el7 they need to be in/usr/lib/modprobe.d/
>
> If you inst
On 7/8/2014 10:36 AM, Always Learning wrote:
> 75 baud on a TTY (clank, clank, clank, ding, thud as the printer head
> returned to the beginning of the line) and an amazingly fast speed of
> 300 baud on the up-market Terminet (? spelling).
>
> Perhaps the speeds were 300 and 1,200 baud? It was a lo
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