Re: [CentOS] RPMs for vispan , spamstat, phplistadmin

2009-08-08 Thread Linux Advocate
> Guys, > > i have heard of vispan, phplistadmin, spamstat from the mailscanner manual > and > would like to experiment with them. > > 1. Any thoughts on them? ( i am trying to avoid mailwatch bcos i think vispan > is > better fit for reporting) > 2. I have googled for their centos rpms b

Re: [CentOS] CentOS Project Infrastructure

2009-08-08 Thread Johnny Hughes
Bob Taylor wrote: > On Fri, 2009-08-07 at 11:54 -0500, Johnny Hughes wrote: >>> Bob Taylor wrote: > > [snip] > >>> Exactly the *wrong* response. I wonder if responses similar to this >>> loses potential users or loses existing customers. Personally, it >>> disgusts me. >> It is not *wrong* ... an

[CentOS] How to Contribute to CentOS was: CentOS Project Infrastructure

2009-08-08 Thread R P Herrold
On Fri, 7 Aug 2009, Marcus Moeller wrote: > 2009/8/7 R P Herrold : >> You don't like reputational vetting and a meritocracy, or how >> it is run by the people in charge who have as one goal: not >> distributing malware.  I get it.  Thank you. > Hey Russ, it's open source. You can just review the

Re: [CentOS] BUG in httpd 2.2.3-22.el5.centos.2

2009-08-08 Thread Johnny Hughes
Mark Hedges wrote: >> You can report problems on the CentOS bug tracker at: >> http://bugs.centos.org/ > > Umm, as I said, I couldn't sign up to file a bug report. > Nope, still broken. > >APPLICATION ERROR #2800 >Invalid form security token. Did you submit the form >twice by accident

Re: [CentOS] How to Contribute to CentOS was: CentOS Project Infrastructure

2009-08-08 Thread Marcus Moeller
Dear Russ. >>> You don't like reputational vetting and a meritocracy, or how >>> it is run by the people in charge who have as one goal: not >>> distributing malware.  I get it.  Thank you. > >> Hey Russ, it's open source. You can just review the spec and >> comment it until it's ready for release

Re: [CentOS] CentOS Project Infrastructure

2009-08-08 Thread JohnS
On Fri, 2009-08-07 at 08:28 +0200, Andrew Colin Kissa wrote: > On 07 Aug 2009, at 8:14 AM, Marcus Moeller wrote: > > > (like the Contrib repo) are getting a bit clearer so I > > guess we are on the right track. > > Contib repo !!! What Contrib repo ? The last time i tried to > contribute i wa

Re: [CentOS] CentOS Project Infrastructure

2009-08-08 Thread JohnS
On Sat, 2009-08-08 at 11:05 -0400, JohnS wrote: > On Fri, 2009-08-07 at 08:28 +0200, Andrew Colin Kissa wrote: > > On 07 Aug 2009, at 8:14 AM, Marcus Moeller wrote: > > > > > (like the Contrib repo) are getting a bit clearer so I > > > guess we are on the right track. > > > > Contib repo !!! Wh

Re: [CentOS] How to Contribute to CentOS was: CentOS Project Infrastructure

2009-08-08 Thread Ross Walker
On Aug 8, 2009, at 10:24 AM, Marcus Moeller wrote: > Dear Russ. > You don't like reputational vetting and a meritocracy, or how it is run by the people in charge who have as one goal: not distributing malware. I get it. Thank you. >> >>> Hey Russ, it's open source. You can just

Re: [CentOS] BUG in httpd 2.2.3-22.el5.centos.2

2009-08-08 Thread JohnS
On Sat, 2009-08-08 at 05:59 -0500, Johnny Hughes wrote: > Mark Hedges wrote: > >> You can report problems on the CentOS bug tracker at: > >> http://bugs.centos.org/ > > > > Umm, as I said, I couldn't sign up to file a bug report. > > Nope, still broken. > > > >APPLICATION ERROR #2800 > >

Re: [CentOS] CentOS Project Infrastructure

2009-08-08 Thread Bob Taylor
On Sat, 2009-08-08 at 05:48 -0500, Johnny Hughes wrote: > Bob Taylor wrote: > > On Fri, 2009-08-07 at 11:54 -0500, Johnny Hughes wrote: > >>> Bob Taylor wrote: > > > > [snip] > > > >>> Exactly the *wrong* response. I wonder if responses similar to this > >>> loses potential users or loses existi

Re: [CentOS] CentOS Project Infrastructure

2009-08-08 Thread Alan Sparks
Bob Taylor wrote: > On Sat, 2009-08-08 at 05:48 -0500, Johnny Hughes wrote: > >> >> Second, I am supposed to also kiss your ass? >> > > Is it necessary to insult me? I have said *nothing* to you to warrant > this. > > Jeez, people, take it offline. -Alan ___

Re: [CentOS] CentOS Project Infrastructure

2009-08-08 Thread Ned Slider
Alan Sparks wrote: > Bob Taylor wrote: >> On Sat, 2009-08-08 at 05:48 -0500, Johnny Hughes wrote: >> >>> Second, I am supposed to also kiss your ass? >>> >> Is it necessary to insult me? I have said *nothing* to you to warrant >> this. >> >> > > Jeez, people, take it offline. > -Alan >

[CentOS] CentOS Project Infrastructure

2009-08-08 Thread R P Herrold
On Sat, 8 Aug 2009, Bob Taylor wrote: > Personally, it disgusts me. > Have I said I don't appreciate it? Yes, actually -- I call b*llsh*t -- you who have done nothing are here, and eat without charge at our table, and 'it disgusts' you Begone, troll -- Russ herrold _

Re: [CentOS] CentOS Project Infrastructure

2009-08-08 Thread Dag Wieers
On Sat, 8 Aug 2009, R P Herrold wrote: > On Sat, 8 Aug 2009, Bob Taylor wrote: > >> Personally, it disgusts me. > >> Have I said I don't appreciate it? > > Yes, actually -- I call b*llsh*t -- you who have done nothing > are here, and eat without charge at our table, and 'it > disgusts' you >

Re: [CentOS] CentOS Project Infrastructure

2009-08-08 Thread Robert
Dag concern is good and you are right about how CentOS people should have a solid testimony for the projects "big picture" the thing is that since day one, as near as i have experienced and can tell, most of them have many years of "rock solid CentOS work" as a testimony. rock solid! we haven't

Re: [CentOS] CentOS Project Infrastructure

2009-08-08 Thread Lanny Marcus
On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 2:22 PM, Robert wrote: > please stop poking the bears...  ;-> > > it isn't productive and many of you that are critical of CentOS and the > people running it should just move on and go away as asked +1 How easy it is to criticize people who have put in a tremendous am

[CentOS] ledgersmb installation

2009-08-08 Thread Frank Cox
I'm attempting to install ledgersmb on Centos 5 and I'm sure that I've missed something. After doing the initial installation, I get a 404 when I get to the part of the instructions that tell me to go to http://localhost/ledgersmb/admin.pl /etc/httpd/conf.d/ledgersmb.conf contains the following l

Re: [CentOS] CentOS Project Infrastructure

2009-08-08 Thread William L. Maltby
On Fri, 2009-08-07 at 19:31 -0400, Mike A. Harris wrote: > > Yep, I think it is because people often want to travel straight from A > to Z without having to go through B, C, D, etc. Another subset of > people, "the talkers" want to dictate to the "doers" how things should > be done, often with

Re: [CentOS] CentOS Project Infrastructure

2009-08-08 Thread William L. Maltby
On Sat, 2009-08-08 at 18:28 +0100, Ned Slider wrote: > > Sorry Alan, but with the greatest respect I believe it important that > these types of discussions are allowed to happen openly within the > community. This thread was started on a community mailing list by a > member of that community

Re: [CentOS] CentOS Project Infrastructure

2009-08-08 Thread William L. Maltby
On Sat, 2009-08-08 at 15:04 -0500, Lanny Marcus wrote: > On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 2:22 PM, Robert wrote: > > > > please stop poking the bears... ;-> > > > > it isn't productive and many of you that are critical of CentOS and the > > people running it should just move on and go away as asked > >

Re: [CentOS] CentOS Project Infrastructure

2009-08-08 Thread Robert
> > This presents a ripe opportunity for a perception of > "unwarranted criticism", "whining" by someone who paid > nothing, "lack of appreciation for all the *free* hard work > we do", etc. > > > > > -- > Bill > Bill, Good points... yet you forgot about "presentation" if a person m

Re: [CentOS] CentOS Project Infrastructure

2009-08-08 Thread Marko A. Jennings
On Sat, August 8, 2009 4:04 pm, Lanny Marcus wrote: > On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 2:22 PM, Robert wrote: > > >> please stop poking the bears...  ;-> >> >> it isn't productive and many of you that are critical of CentOS and the >> people running it should just move on and go away as asked > > +1 Ho

Re: [CentOS] CentOS Project Infrastructure

2009-08-08 Thread William L. Maltby
On Sat, 2009-08-08 at 16:14 -0700, Robert wrote: > > > > This presents a ripe opportunity for a perception of > > "unwarranted criticism", "whining" by someone who paid > > nothing, "lack of appreciation for all the *free* hard work > > we do", etc. > > > > > > > > > -- > > Bill > > > > B

Re: [CentOS] CentOS Project Infrastructure

2009-08-08 Thread Drew
> Who is the project serving? The "core" themselves or a "community" of > users as well? If that is effectively and accurately answered, then the > dynamics of the relationship(s) between users of the project and the > "core" can be more clearly stated and understood. In the end, most F/LOSS proje

Re: [CentOS] CentOS Project Infrastructure

2009-08-08 Thread Johnny Hughes
William L. Maltby wrote: > On Fri, 2009-08-07 at 19:31 -0400, Mike A. Harris wrote: >> > >> Yep, I think it is because people often want to travel straight from A >> to Z without having to go through B, C, D, etc. Another subset of >> people, "the talkers" want to dictate to the "doers" how thi

Re: [CentOS] CentOS Project Infrastructure

2009-08-08 Thread Lanny Marcus
On 8/8/09, Marko A. Jennings wrote: > On Sat, August 8, 2009 4:04 pm, Lanny Marcus wrote: >> On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 2:22 PM, Robert wrote: >> >>> please stop poking the bears... ;-> >>> >>> it isn't productive and many of you that are critical of CentOS and the >>> people running it should just

Re: [CentOS] CentOS Project Infrastructure

2009-08-08 Thread Johnny Hughes
Marko A. Jennings wrote: > On Sat, August 8, 2009 4:04 pm, Lanny Marcus wrote: >> On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 2:22 PM, Robert wrote: >> >> >>> please stop poking the bears... ;-> >>> >>> it isn't productive and many of you that are critical of CentOS and the >>> people running it should just move on a

Re: [CentOS] CentOS Project Infrastructure

2009-08-08 Thread Marko A. Jennings
On Sat, August 8, 2009 8:44 pm, Johnny Hughes wrote: > Marko A. Jennings wrote: >> On Sat, August 8, 2009 4:04 pm, Lanny Marcus wrote: >>> On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 2:22 PM, Robert wrote: >>> >>> please stop poking the bears... ;-> it isn't productive and many of you that are critical

Re: [CentOS] CentOS Project Infrastructure

2009-08-08 Thread William L. Maltby
On Sat, 2009-08-08 at 19:37 -0500, Johnny Hughes wrote: > William L. Maltby wrote: > > > > > I only have one question that I want to add to this gawd-awful thread > > now. > > > > Who is the project serving? The "core" themselves or a "community" of > > users as well? If that is effectively and

Re: [CentOS] CentOS Project Infrastructure

2009-08-08 Thread Johnny Hughes
Marko A. Jennings wrote: > On Sat, August 8, 2009 8:44 pm, Johnny Hughes wrote: >> Marko A. Jennings wrote: >>> On Sat, August 8, 2009 4:04 pm, Lanny Marcus wrote: On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 2:22 PM, Robert wrote: > please stop poking the bears... ;-> > > it isn't productiv

Re: [CentOS] CentOS Project Infrastructure

2009-08-08 Thread Ian Murray
I can't say I have been following this thread in its entirety, but the beauty (?) of free speech is that even the ill-informed get to have a say. :o) Anyway, I think there is a general problem with the name Community ENterprise OS. Well, Community can't refer to us users because every O/S has a

Re: [CentOS] CentOS Project Infrastructure

2009-08-08 Thread Johnny Hughes
Ian Murray wrote: > I can't say I have been following this thread in its entirety, but the > beauty (?) of free speech is that even the ill-informed get to have a > say. :o) > > Anyway, I think there is a general problem with the name Community > ENterprise OS. Well, Community can't refer to us us

Re: [CentOS] CentOS Project Infrastructure

2009-08-08 Thread Marko Vojinovic
On Sunday 09 August 2009 00:50:16 Marko A. Jennings wrote: > Your statement implies that people that have not contributed to a certain > goal cannot possibly have a good suggestion. Of course, this is a very common and useful line of reasoning in human society. Put shortly, it increases signal-t

Re: [CentOS] CentOS Project Infrastructure

2009-08-08 Thread Craig White
On Sat, 2009-08-08 at 20:01 -0500, Johnny Hughes wrote: > If you mean that I can be an arrogant SOB sometimes, then YES, we (and > my wife) can agree. > > I also can certainly try to be nicer, yes. I am very tired of this whole thread - I think you have covered it well. But I will say this..

Re: [CentOS] ledgersmb installation

2009-08-08 Thread Johnny Hughes
Frank Cox wrote: > I'm attempting to install ledgersmb on Centos 5 and I'm sure that I've missed > something. > > After doing the initial installation, I get a 404 when I get to the part of > the > instructions that tell me to go to http://localhost/ledgersmb/admin.pl > > /etc/httpd/conf.d/ledge

Re: [CentOS] CentOS Project Infrastructure

2009-08-08 Thread Ian Murray
> 4 million unique machines do not agree with you, regardless of what you > want to believe. I don't think the machines have an opinion, either way. :o) Seriously, I suppose you are using the '4 million machines we must be doing something right' argument which is fair comment, if perhaps a to

Re: [CentOS] CentOS Project Infrastructure

2009-08-08 Thread Robert
Johnny Hughes wrote: > If you mean that I can be an arrogant SOB sometimes, then YES, we (and > my wife) can agree. > Before making an admission like that, you should re-read http://wwwf.centos.org/127_story.html?storyid=127 I thought then and think now that you were 'way too humble in de

Re: [CentOS] CentOS Project Infrastructure

2009-08-08 Thread Ron Blizzard
On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 9:12 PM, Ian Murray wrote: > I can't say I have been following this thread in its entirety, but the > beauty (?) of free speech is that even the ill-informed get to have a say. > :o) > > Anyway, I think there is a general problem with the name Community > ENterprise OS. Well,

Re: [CentOS] *SOLVED* How to install LedgerSMB on Centos 5

2009-08-08 Thread Frank Cox
On Sat, 08 Aug 2009 21:53:21 -0500 Johnny Hughes wrote: > maybe replace "WORKING_DIR" with ledgersmb (and awap the order of the 2) Much thanks for the steer! I now have LedgerSMB up and running. (Haven't a clue what to do with it yet, but it's running and I can log into it.) For anyone else w