Re: [CentOS] Upgrade to 5.3?

2009-01-27 Thread Sorin Srbu
>-Original Message- >From: centos-boun...@centos.org [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On Behalf Of >James Bensley >Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 7:28 AM >To: CentOS mailing list >Subject: [CentOS] Upgrade to 5.3? > >I'm not that up on CentOS so I'd be curious to know if it is possible >

Re: [CentOS] Bezerk they will go!

2009-01-27 Thread Morten Torstensen
drew einhorn wrote: > Note the minimalist .sig > Probably should fatten it up You already did by adding a copy of your email as HTML ... ;) -- //Morten Torstensen //Email: mor...@mortent.org //IM: morten.torsten...@gmail.com ___ CentOS mailing list Ce

Re: [CentOS] yum problem

2009-01-27 Thread Mad Unix
On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 9:45 AM, James Bensley wrote: > Can you surf the web ok? Is it a DNS resolution problem, 'Temporary > failure in name resolution' ? > > Have you tried another mirror? > > > -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- > Version: 3.1 > GIT/MU/U dpu s: a--> C++>$ U+> L++> B-> P+> E?> W++

[CentOS] How to add network driver for network installation

2009-01-27 Thread MOKRANI Rachid
Hi, Is someone has an experience for adding a network driver when starting a network installation. My network internal card is : Intel 82567M Gigabit (laptop HP 8530w) This card is not recognized by my system : CentOS 5.2 x86_64 (kernel 2.6.9-92) How to add correctly this driver for a networ

Re: [CentOS] How to add network driver for network installation

2009-01-27 Thread Pintér Tibor
> CentOS 5.2 x86_64 (kernel > 2.6.9-92) that cant be true t ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos

Re: [CentOS] How to add network driver for network installation

2009-01-27 Thread MOKRANI Rachid
Sorry : It's 2.6.18-92 -Message d'origine- De : centos-boun...@centos.org [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] De la part de Pintér Tibor Envoyé : mardi 27 janvier 2009 09:13 À : CentOS mailing list Objet : Re: [CentOS] How to add network driver for network installation > CentOS 5.2 x

Re: [CentOS] How to add network driver for network installation

2009-01-27 Thread John R Pierce
Pintér Tibor wrote: >> CentOS 5.2 x86_64 (kernel >> 2.6.9-92) >> > > that cant be true > indeed, CentOS 5.anything should be 2.6.18-xx, like 2.6.18-92.1.18.el5 (on one of my boxes) I believe 2.6.9 was CentOS 4. ___ CentOS mailing list Cent

Re: [CentOS] yum problem

2009-01-27 Thread James Bensley
It doesn't matter if its in resolv.conf you don't seem to have a working DNS provider. I would start there, use nslookup, can you solve anything? Check with your resolv.conf, what name server are you using, can you ping it? Try another name server? 2009/1/27 Mad Unix : > On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 9

Re: [CentOS] yum problem

2009-01-27 Thread Anthony Kamau
> -Original Message- > From: centos-boun...@centos.org [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On > Behalf Of James Bensley > Sent: Tuesday, 27 January 2009 7:49 PM > To: CentOS mailing list > Subject: Re: [CentOS] yum problem > > It doesn't matter if its in resolv.conf you don't seem to have a

Re: [CentOS] Upgrade to 5.3?

2009-01-27 Thread William L. Maltby
On Tue, 2009-01-27 at 00:33 -0600, Barry Brimer wrote: > > I'm not that up on CentOS so I'd be curious to know if it is possible > > to upgrade CentOS 5.2 to 5.3 without reinstalling? Perhaps via Yum? Or > > can you get update RPMs? > > Once CentOS 5.3 is released, you can just type "yum upgrade"

Re: [CentOS] Old Small Box

2009-01-27 Thread William L. Maltby
On Tue, 2009-01-27 at 08:28 +0100, Morten Torstensen wrote: > Ross Walker wrote: > > Well the only reason /boot isn't possible in LVM is because grub can't > > of yet handle reading LVM volumes. As soon as it can though, there will > > be no need for a separate /boot. > > Then we just need BIOS s

Re: [CentOS] Old Small Box

2009-01-27 Thread Vnpenguin
On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 12:06 AM, Mike -- EMAIL IGNORED wrote: > I have an old 400mHz Dell with a 20G hard drive > and 125M ram. Can I install and run CentOS on it? I have a box PII 333MHz + 128 MB ram running (sshd, samba, httpd,...) CentOS 4.x at home. -- http://vnoss.org ___

[CentOS] postfix startup issue - CentOS 5.2

2009-01-27 Thread Tom Brown
Hi I am trying to get postfix going on a friends VPS however after installing on startup i see this Jan 27 11:15:13 postfix/postfix-script: starting the Postfix mail system Jan 27 11:15:13 postfix/master[28090]: fatal: pipe: Cannot allocate memory and a top gives Tasks: 23 total, 1 running,

Re: [CentOS] postfix startup issue - CentOS 5.2

2009-01-27 Thread Per Qvindesland
Hi Have you checked /etc/hosts to see if it is correct? Per On 1/27/09 12:28 PM, "Tom Brown" wrote: > Jan 27 11:15:13 postfix/master[28090]: fatal: pipe: Cannot allocate memory ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mai

Re: [CentOS] postfix startup issue - CentOS 5.2

2009-01-27 Thread Tom Brown
> > Have you checked /etc/hosts to see if it is correct? > > it does seem correct yes ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos

Re: [CentOS] Old Small Box

2009-01-27 Thread Morten Torstensen
William L. Maltby wrote: > Oh boy! You've heard rumors that the BIOS manufacturers are going to > begin supporting file-system-specific layouts? I find that hard to > swallow. Well, in theory we don't need BIOS support. The BIOS will check that the first sector of the device is signed with 55AAh

Re: [CentOS] postfix startup issue - CentOS 5.2

2009-01-27 Thread Ralph Angenendt
Tom Brown wrote: > Hi > > I am trying to get postfix going on a friends VPS however after > installing on startup i see this > > Jan 27 11:15:13 postfix/postfix-script: starting the Postfix mail system > Jan 27 11:15:13 postfix/master[28090]: fatal: pipe: Cannot allocate memory You are out of o

Re: [CentOS] Old Small Box

2009-01-27 Thread William L. Maltby
On Tue, 2009-01-27 at 12:43 +0100, Morten Torstensen wrote: > William L. Maltby wrote: > > Oh boy! You've heard rumors that the BIOS manufacturers are going to > > begin supporting file-system-specific layouts? I find that hard to > > swallow. > > Well, in theory we don't need BIOS support. The B

Re: [CentOS] postfix startup issue - CentOS 5.2

2009-01-27 Thread Ned Slider
Tom Brown wrote: > Hi > > I am trying to get postfix going on a friends VPS however after > installing on startup i see this > > > # uname -i > Linux 2.6.18-028stab059.6 #1 SMP Fri Nov 14 14:01:22 MSK 2008 i686 i686 > i386 GNU/Linux > That's not a CentOS kernel. > # cat /etc/redhat-relea

[CentOS] More than 2TB RAID...

2009-01-27 Thread John Doe
Hi, I just received a new server (HP DL180G5) with 12x 1TB HDs and I bumped into fdisks 2TB limits... Since this is an entry level server, I can't use the classic HP bootable utilities to create smaller volumes et can only create a big RAID6. I found out that: using parted, labelling it gpt and

Re: [CentOS] Upgrade to 5.3?

2009-01-27 Thread Ned Slider
Barry Brimer wrote: >> I'm not that up on CentOS so I'd be curious to know if it is possible >> to upgrade CentOS 5.2 to 5.3 without reinstalling? Perhaps via Yum? Or >> can you get update RPMs? > > Once CentOS 5.3 is released, you can just type "yum upgrade" and you will > be upgraded from CentO

Re: [CentOS] More than 2TB RAID...

2009-01-27 Thread James Bensley
I have this problem, I just boot from usb sticks? A 512MB usb pen drive is (just about extinct!) only about £2.00 so get three, make one an ms-dos disk with parted and format it ready. Then pop-in CentOS and install it mounting the usb pen as /boot so grub boots from that msdos partition and then

Re: [CentOS] postfix startup issue - CentOS 5.2

2009-01-27 Thread Kai Schaetzl
Tom Brown wrote on Tue, 27 Jan 2009 11:28:06 +: > Linux 2.6.18-028stab059.6 This is not CentOS 5.2, this is an OpenVZ kernel. You should contact the vendor with this problem, I'm sure it's related to it being a "VPS". Kai -- Kai Schätzl, Berlin, Germany Get your web at Conactive Internet

Re: [CentOS] More than 2TB RAID...

2009-01-27 Thread Morten Torstensen
John Doe wrote: > I just received a new server (HP DL180G5) with 12x 1TB HDs and I bumped into > fdisks 2TB limits... I would create two raid logical volumes, one for centos (say, 20GB to 100GB) and one with the rest of the space. Install centos and normal MBR on /dev/sda and then use lvm on th

Re: [CentOS] How to add network driver for network installation

2009-01-27 Thread Fabian Arrotin
On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 09:04:46 +0100, "MOKRANI Rachid" wrote: > > Hi, > > Is someone has an experience for adding a network driver when starting a > network installation. > > My network internal card is : Intel 82567M Gigabit (laptop HP 8530w) > > This card is not recognized by my system : Ce

Re: [CentOS] More than 2TB RAID...

2009-01-27 Thread John Doe
From: James Bensley > I have this problem, I just boot from usb sticks? > A 512MB usb pen drive is (just about extinct!) only about £2.00 so get > three, make one an ms-dos disk with parted and format it ready. Then > pop-in CentOS and install it mounting the usb pen as /boot so grub > boots from

[CentOS] OT : iptables/arptables question

2009-01-27 Thread Fabian Arrotin
I have a CentOS box that acts as a packet filter/firewall with iptables but the box itself isn't able to reach internet : here why : Internet - public IP|ISP router|private IP - private IP + public IP/32 + public IP subnet/29|my CentOS fw|private network/dmz As you can see my provider

[CentOS] DNS

2009-01-27 Thread adrian kok
Hi all I am setting dns and trying to ping my domain the 1st reply is ok and solve the ip address but 2nd line to end, it reponses to my upstream info instead of www.mydomain.com What wrong of my dns? Thank you linux ~ # ping www.mydomain.com PING www.mydomain.com (171.203.20.173) 56(84) bytes

Re: [CentOS] More than 2TB RAID...

2009-01-27 Thread Morten Torstensen
John Doe wrote: > The best solution would be to be able somehow to run the avanced RAID > utility... > For that, I need a running OS where I could install it. They don't have a bootable CD image with the tools? I am only familiar with the IBM ServeRAID adapters where you have such a tool. Anoth

Re: [CentOS] DNS

2009-01-27 Thread Ralph Angenendt
adrian kok wrote: > linux ~ # ping www.mydomain.com > PING www.mydomain.com (171.203.20.173) 56(84) bytes of > data. > 64 bytes from 171203020173.upstream.com > (171.203.20.173): icmp_seq=1 ttl=43 time=291 ms > 64 bytes from 171203020173.upstream.com > (171.203.20.173): icmp_seq=2 ttl=43 time=290 m

Re: [CentOS] DNS

2009-01-27 Thread Fajar Priyanto
On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 10:51 PM, adrian kok wrote: > I am setting dns and trying to ping my domain > the 1st reply is ok and solve the ip address > > but 2nd line to end, it reponses to my upstream info > instead of www.mydomain.com > > What wrong of my dns? It's rather difficult to know without

Re: [CentOS] DNS

2009-01-27 Thread adrian kok
Sorry. I use fake name host command can return right ip address My question is I am curious why the 2nd line is 171203020173.upstream.com instead of www.mydomain.com ? It should be. right? 64 bytes from www.mydomain.com (171.203.20.173): icmp_seq=1 ttl=43 time=291 ms Thank you --- Ralph An

Re: [CentOS] DNS

2009-01-27 Thread Joost Waversveld
Isn't this just the Reverse DNS name of your ip (171.203.20.173)? Do a check through "dig -x 171.203.20.173". Most likely you will get the 17120320173.upstream.com back. If so, it's the Reverse DNS name... -- Joost Waversveld adrian kok wrote: > Sorry. I use fake name > > host command can ret

Re: [CentOS] How to add network driver for network installation

2009-01-27 Thread MOKRANI Rachid
But it's not working :-( 1 - After installing CentOS 5.2 from scratch, I need to add the following rpm for recognized my network card : http://centos.toracat.org/ajb/CentOS-5/e1000e/kmod-e1000e-0.5.11.2_NAPI-1.el5.x86_64.rpm OK it's working after install the following files. I have the networ

Re: [CentOS] More than 2TB RAID...

2009-01-27 Thread Peter Kjellstrom
On Tuesday 27 January 2009, John Doe wrote: > Hi, > > I just received a new server (HP DL180G5) with 12x 1TB HDs and I bumped > into fdisks 2TB limits... Since this is an entry level server, I can't use > the classic HP bootable utilities to create smaller volumes et can only > create a big RAID6.

Re: [CentOS] More than 2TB RAID...

2009-01-27 Thread Peter Kjellstrom
On Tuesday 27 January 2009, Morten Torstensen wrote: > John Doe wrote: > > I just received a new server (HP DL180G5) with 12x 1TB HDs and I bumped > > into fdisks 2TB limits... > > I would create two raid logical volumes, one for centos (say, 20GB to > 100GB) and one with the rest of the space. Ins

Re: [CentOS] How to add network driver for network installation

2009-01-27 Thread MOKRANI Rachid
Sorry I make a mistake in my last email : MORE EASY FOR READING But it's not working :-( 1 - After installing CentOS 5.2 from scratch, I need to add the following rpm for recognized my network card : http://centos.toracat.org/ajb/CentOS-5/e1000e/kmod-e1000e-0.5.11.2_NAPI- 1.el5.x86_64.rpm O

Re: [CentOS] OT : iptables/arptables question

2009-01-27 Thread Filipe Brandenburger
Hi Fabian: On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 08:16, Fabian Arrotin wrote: > Question is : how can i "mangle" output packets to appear coming from > public ip and not from 192.168.X.X ? Found this that might help you (google for: linux default outgoing ip): """ > On a machine with multiple interfaces, is

Re: [CentOS] DNS

2009-01-27 Thread Ralph Angenendt
adrian kok wrote: > Sorry. I use fake name No, you didn't. www.mydomain.com does exist, so it cannot be fake. > host command can return right ip address I don't really like people who misuse existing domains for questions like this, as it really makes it harder to debug things. > My question is

Re: [CentOS] yum problem

2009-01-27 Thread Lanny Marcus
On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 4:04 AM, Anthony Kamau wrote: >> -Original Message- >> From: centos-boun...@centos.org [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On >> Behalf Of James Bensley >> Sent: Tuesday, 27 January 2009 7:49 PM >> To: CentOS mailing list >> Subject: Re: [CentOS] yum problem >> >> It

Re: [CentOS] DNS

2009-01-27 Thread Filipe Brandenburger
Hi, On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 11:48, Ralph Angenendt wrote: > adrian kok wrote: >> Sorry. I use fake name > > No, you didn't. www.mydomain.com does exist, so it cannot be fake. Interestingly enough, there are domains specially reserved for "fake" names in examples: example.com, example.net and exa

Re: [CentOS] possible CentOS 5.2 yum RPM checksum issue upstream?

2009-01-27 Thread Scott Silva
on 1-26-2009 5:12 PM Justin M. Hunter spake the following: > hey guys.. > > I'm continually seeing the following error although I've got the > latest/greatest yum RPM from various CentOS 5.2 repos > (mirrors.kernel.org most recently). is there > possibly something wrong

Re: [CentOS] How to add network driver for network installation

2009-01-27 Thread Scott Silva
on 1-27-2009 12:04 AM MOKRANI Rachid spake the following: > Hi, > > Is someone has an experience for adding a network driver when starting a > network installation. > > My network internal card is : Intel 82567M Gigabit (laptop HP 8530w) > > This card is not recognized by my system : CentOS 5.2

Re: [CentOS] OT : iptables/arptables question

2009-01-27 Thread Fabian Arrotin
Filipe Brandenburger wrote: > Hi Fabian: > > On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 08:16, Fabian Arrotin > wrote: >> Question is : how can i "mangle" output packets to appear coming from >> public ip and not from 192.168.X.X ? > > Found this that might help you (google for: linux default outgoing ip): > > "

[CentOS] network question

2009-01-27 Thread ann kok
Hi How can I clear the arp cache? and ls it possible to setup 2 gateways in centos Thank you for your help ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos

Re: [CentOS] possible CentOS 5.2 yum RPM checksum issue upstream?

2009-01-27 Thread Justin M. Hunter
hrm. I've got nothing sitting between me and my upstream providers (that I know of). On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 9:45 AM, Scott Silva wrote: > on 1-26-2009 5:12 PM Justin M. Hunter spake the following: > > hey guys.. > > > > I'm continually seeing the following error although I've got the > > latest

Re: [CentOS] network question

2009-01-27 Thread nate
ann kok wrote: > Hi > > How can I clear the arp cache? I don't see a way to clear it but you can delete the entries with arp -d > > and > > ls it possible to setup 2 gateways in centos 2 gateways or 2 default gateways? If you need more than one default gateway you likely will need to use iprout

Re: [CentOS] OT : iptables/arptables question

2009-01-27 Thread Fabian Arrotin
Fabian Arrotin wrote: > Filipe Brandenburger wrote: >> Hi Fabian: >> >> On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 08:16, Fabian Arrotin >> wrote: >>> Question is : how can i "mangle" output packets to appear coming from >>> public ip and not from 192.168.X.X ? >> Found this that might help you (google for: linux d

Re: [CentOS] network question

2009-01-27 Thread John R Pierce
ann kok wrote: > How can I clear the arp cache? > > man arp shows the options. arp caches expire fairly quickly though, I don't think I've ever needed to manually expire one. > and > > ls it possible to setup 2 gateways in centos > you can have various static routes to different g

Re: [CentOS] OT : iptables/arptables question

2009-01-27 Thread Filipe Brandenburger
Hi, On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 14:14, Fabian Arrotin wrote: > On the other hand, 10 minutes after i had sent my mail (and 3 coffee > later to be precise) i saw also a picture from wikipedia > (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/fr/thumb/3/3e/Netfilter_schema.png/400px-Netfilter_schema.png) Inter

Re: [CentOS] network question

2009-01-27 Thread Robert Moskowitz
John R Pierce wrote: > ann kok wrote: > >> How can I clear the arp cache? >> >> >> > > man arp shows the options. arp caches expire fairly quickly > though, I don't think I've ever needed to manually expire one. > Per Dr. Larry Peterson who was 'there' as a grad student at Pu

Re: [CentOS] OT : iptables/arptables question

2009-01-27 Thread Fabian Arrotin
Filipe Brandenburger wrote: > Hi, > > On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 14:14, Fabian Arrotin > wrote: >> On the other hand, 10 minutes after i had sent my mail (and 3 coffee >> later to be precise) i saw also a picture from wikipedia >> (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/fr/thumb/3/3e/Netfilter_schem

Re: [CentOS] More than 2TB RAID...

2009-01-27 Thread Jake
On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 7:20 AM, John Doe wrote: > Hi, > > I just received a new server (HP DL180G5) with 12x 1TB HDs and I bumped > into fdisks 2TB limits... > Since this is an entry level server, I can't use the classic HP bootable > utilities to create smaller volumes et can only create a big

Re: [CentOS] More than 2TB RAID...

2009-01-27 Thread Joshua Baker-LePain
On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 at 6:43pm, Jake wrote > I should say that I STRONGLY recommend not creating ext3 file systems in the > 2TB+ range - fsck takes too long and you'd hate to get hit by one of those > in what is supposed to be a "quick" reboot...and disabling them on the file > system isn't a good

[CentOS] Missing latest kmod-xfs and kmod-drbd82?

2009-01-27 Thread Alan Sparks
Since December there have been several kernel updates to the centosplus repository for centos4... but no updates to kmod-xfs or kmod-drbd82. Latest kernel is 2.6.9-78.0.13.plus.c4, but latest kmod-xfs is 2.6.9_78.0.5.plus.c4. Latest drbd82 kmod is also for 78.0.5. I know there was a mention on t

Re: [CentOS] ftp and iptables

2009-01-27 Thread Agile Aspect
Robert Spangler wrote: > Do you have a rule like this: > > -A OUTPUT --m state --state RELATED,ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT > No I don't. It doesn't work under CentOS 5.2. But it works on my laptop which is running Fedora 9. > If not you should place this in your rules. This rule eleminates the need

[CentOS] getting Centos on "used" rackable systems 1U with dual Opteron 248 HE

2009-01-27 Thread RobertH
hi there. anyone have any tips on params to pass to the kernel etc in order to install Centos4 or Centos5 32bit or 64 bit installed on this unit i can get it close to install, yet no cigar. it is a tyan MB and ill try to get more info if needed... for this case, please assume for now that the h

Re: [CentOS] getting Centos on "used" rackable systems 1U with dualOpteron 248 HE

2009-01-27 Thread bruce
hi robert... what issues are you having? what params are you using as of now... -Original Message- From: centos-boun...@centos.org [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org]on Behalf Of RobertH Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 7:04 PM To: 'CentOS mailing list' Subject: [CentOS] getting Centos

Re: [CentOS] More than 2TB RAID...

2009-01-27 Thread Ross Walker
On Jan 27, 2009, at 6:46 PM, Joshua Baker-LePain wrote: > On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 at 6:43pm, Jake wrote > >> I should say that I STRONGLY recommend not creating ext3 file >> systems in the >> 2TB+ range - fsck takes too long and you'd hate to get hit by one >> of those >> in what is supposed to

Re: [CentOS] ftp and iptables

2009-01-27 Thread Chaz Sliger
Have you loaded the ftp modules? modprobe ip_conntrack_ftp modprobe ip_nat_ftp -chaz -Original Message- From: centos-boun...@centos.org [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On Behalf Of Agile Aspect Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 6:45 PM To: CentOS mailing list Subject: Re: [CentOS] f

Re: [CentOS] More than 2TB RAID...

2009-01-27 Thread Ian Forde
On Tue, 2009-01-27 at 18:46 -0500, Joshua Baker-LePain wrote: > On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 at 6:43pm, Jake wrote > > > I should say that I STRONGLY recommend not creating ext3 file systems in the > > 2TB+ range - fsck takes too long and you'd hate to get hit by one of those > > in what is supposed to be

Re: [CentOS] getting Centos on "used" rackable systems 1U withdualOpteron 248 HE

2009-01-27 Thread RobertH
> Subject: Re: [CentOS] getting Centos on "used" rackable > systems 1U withdualOpteron 248 HE > > hi robert... > > what issues are you having? what params are you using as of now... > > > u basically with centos 4 or 5 64 bit, it is freezing when i get to the partitioning and want to

Re: [CentOS] yum problem

2009-01-27 Thread Mad Unix
it works now added the following to the profile export http_proxy="http://foo:b...@10.0.0.1:8080"; On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 6:57 PM, Lanny Marcus wrote: > On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 4:04 AM, Anthony Kamau wrote: >>> -Original Message- >>> From: centos-boun...@centos.org [mailto:centos-boun.

Re: [CentOS] DNS

2009-01-27 Thread James Bensley
I don't quite follow this thread? Are your pinging your web server, its is hosted with a hosting company (i.e. you don't personal host it on a server you manage?) It could just be the details for their set up (i.e. multiple servers with load balancing across multiple IPs?) -BEGIN GEEK CODE B