Re: [CentOS] Troubles for an non-IT beginner

On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 11:13 AM, Les Mikesell wrote: > On 1/19/2011 9:13 AM, John Hodrien wrote: >> I do think CentOS gets unreasonably knocked as a desktop OS.  I definitely >> don't use it on desktops *because* I run it on servers. >> > > The difference is that open source server software has

Re: [CentOS] Troubles for an non-IT beginner

On 1/19/2011 1:51 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: > >> That's not the point. You've had years to learn how to make a computer >> work like a slightly smarter typewriter, and for a long time that was >> about all they could do and everyone was happy with it. But that's not >> what someone starting tod

Re: [CentOS] Troubles for an non-IT beginner

On Wed, 19 Jan 2011, Les Mikesell wrote: > Sorry, but Outlook 2003 and 2007 are huge improvements over earlier > versions - and lacking tight integration between messaging and > calendar/scheduling has been one of the places where free software > really missed the boat. But then that's partly Mic

Re: [CentOS] Troubles for an non-IT beginner

Les Mikesell wrote: > On 1/19/2011 12:03 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: >>> >>> You are biased by having learned to live with the restrictions of old >> >> So, what I like how something works is all "old cruft", and I should get >> with the program, and not have opinions on what I want and how I want

Re: [CentOS] Troubles for an non-IT beginner

Maybe ask what sort of cellphones your family use. If they use and are happy with old b&w text ones (like me), then by all means pursue the Linux quest. But if they are up-to-the-minute snappy ones, or if they hang out for the latest, you are probably buying into headaches. Remember, Linux is a

Re: [CentOS] Troubles for an non-IT beginner

On 1/19/2011 12:03 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: >> >> You are biased by having learned to live with the restrictions of old > > So, what I like how something works is all "old cruft", and I should get > with the program, and not have opinions on what I want and how I want it > to work? That's not t

Re: [CentOS] Troubles for an non-IT beginner

On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 5:12 PM, Lisandro Grullon wrote: > Dear Parshwa, > I tend to agree with you in some of your points. I migrated my systems from > ubuntu to centos and I could not be more happy. off course I have been force > to learn the new places where things are "the redhat way" but not

Re: [CentOS] Troubles for an non-IT beginner

On Wednesday, January 19, 2011 12:55:19 pm Les Mikesell wrote: > And remember that firefox/openoffice are rare exceptions in RHEL/Centos > in that they have had major-version updates since the distro release, > even though they still are far behind 'current' now. How is Firefox 3.6.13 not curre

Re: [CentOS] Troubles for an non-IT beginner

Les Mikesell wrote: > On 1/19/2011 10:43 AM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: >> >>> The difference is that open source server software has been 'feature >>> complete' for ages and the standards processes that change >>> client/server interactions are very, very slow - so outdated versions of server >>> sof

Re: [CentOS] Troubles for an non-IT beginner

2011/1/19 Les Mikesell > On 1/19/2011 10:43 AM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: > > > >> The difference is that open source server software has been 'feature > >> complete' for ages and the standards processes that change client/server > >> interactions are very, very slow - so outdated versions of serve

Re: [CentOS] Troubles for an non-IT beginner

On 1/19/2011 10:43 AM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: > >> The difference is that open source server software has been 'feature >> complete' for ages and the standards processes that change client/server >> interactions are very, very slow - so outdated versions of server >> software is not a problem as l

Re: [CentOS] Troubles for an non-IT beginner

Les Mikesell wrote: > On 1/19/2011 9:13 AM, John Hodrien wrote: >> On Wed, 19 Jan 2011, Les Mikesell wrote: >> >>> CentOS would likely only be used as a desktop OS by people who also run >>> servers and like everything to be the same. They all assemble >>> approximately the same set of upstream pa

Re: [CentOS] Troubles for an non-IT beginner

On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 5:27 PM, John Hodrien wrote: > And for every bit of juiciness you think you're getting with an upgrade, > you're getting the disruption of a reinstall or an upgrade, and seemingly for > everything that's improved there's a bug or a quirk to match.  I think the > negatives

Re: [CentOS] Troubles for an non-IT beginner

On Wed, 19 Jan 2011, Les Mikesell wrote: > That's not true for desktop applications and environments. If you don't > have something current you are missing the improvements that many > thousands of man-hours of work have made. But I guess that's the bit I don't /always/ buy into. In the pre-Fed

Re: [CentOS] Troubles for an non-IT beginner

As Rober puts it, sometimes is better to keep "Things...stable and reliable" rather than in the "bleeding edge..." makes perfect sense. >>> Robert Heller 01/19/11 10:43 AM >>> At Wed, 19 Jan 2011 15:13:41 + (GMT) CentOS mailing list wrote: > > On Wed, 19 Jan 2011, Les Mikesell wrote: > >

Re: [CentOS] Troubles for an non-IT beginner

On 1/19/2011 9:13 AM, John Hodrien wrote: > On Wed, 19 Jan 2011, Les Mikesell wrote: > >> CentOS would likely only be used as a desktop OS by people who also run >> servers and like everything to be the same. They all assemble approximately >> the same set of upstream packages, though, so it is po

Re: [CentOS] Troubles for an non-IT beginner

Dear Parshwa, I tend to agree with you in some of your points. I migrated my systems from ubuntu to centos and I could not be more happy. off course I have been force to learn the new places where things are "the redhat way" but not problem since the usual tools continue to exist in both platforms.

Re: [CentOS] Troubles for an non-IT beginner

At Wed, 19 Jan 2011 15:13:41 + (GMT) CentOS mailing list wrote: > > On Wed, 19 Jan 2011, Les Mikesell wrote: > > > CentOS would likely only be used as a desktop OS by people who also run > > servers and like everything to be the same. They all assemble approximately > > the same set of up

Re: [CentOS] Troubles for an non-IT beginner

On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 4:25 PM, Christopher R Webber wrote: > I find that in places where I don¹t have latest and greatest hardware, > CEntOS makes a much better Desktop OS than Ubuntu. If all I am doing is > running a web browser for the most part, I use CEntOS. Means in your opinion, for a st

Re: [CentOS] Troubles for an non-IT beginner

I find that in places where I don¹t have latest and greatest hardware, CEntOS makes a much better Desktop OS than Ubuntu. If all I am doing is running a web browser for the most part, I use CEntOS. -- cwebber On 1/19/11 7:13 AM, "John Hodrien" wrote: >On Wed, 19 Jan 2011, Les Mikesell wrote

Re: [CentOS] Troubles for an non-IT beginner

On Wed, 19 Jan 2011, Les Mikesell wrote: > CentOS would likely only be used as a desktop OS by people who also run > servers and like everything to be the same. They all assemble approximately > the same set of upstream packages, though, so it is possible to make them > all do the same things wit

Re: [CentOS] Troubles for an non-IT beginner

Les Mikesell wrote: > On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 5:36 AM, Parshwa Murdia wrote: >>> I personally would recommend Ubuntu LTS for family members. CentOS is >>> geared for technical people. > Ubuntu's focus is usability - that is, making the distribution easy to > install and use. Fedora may not admit

Re: [CentOS] Troubles for an non-IT beginner

On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 5:36 AM, Parshwa Murdia wrote: >> I personally would recommend Ubuntu LTS for family members. CentOS is >> geared for technical people. > > Oh I see. But at least work could be done in Fedora too like without > going into the technical details at least multimedia could be u

Re: [CentOS] Troubles for an non-IT beginner

On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 11:47 AM, Hakan Koseoglu wrote: > Ubuntu LTS has a 3 year life cycle overall for desktops, 5 year for servers. > Ubuntu and Fedora have a new release approx every 6 months but their > end of life is 18 months. (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LTS and > http://fedoraproject.org/w

Re: [CentOS] Troubles for an non-IT beginner

Parshwa, On 16 January 2011 20:45, Parshwa Murdia wrote: >> Another option, if you are concerned about the short life cycle of >> Fedora, would be to look at Ubuntu 10.04 LTS. The 'LTS' means "Long Term >> Support" and will be supported for a fairly long time. 10.04 was >> released last April, so

Re: [CentOS] Troubles for an non-IT beginner

Not aimed at John in particular ... Please, folks, you really don't need to add extra noise. That thread is already unnecessarily noisy. Thanks. Kai -- Get your web at Conactive Internet Services: http://www.conactive.com ___ CentOS mailing list C

Re: [CentOS] Troubles for an non-IT beginner

thus John R Pierce spake: > On 01/18/11 10:51 PM, Geoff Galitz wrote: >>> Wrong on the demise of the Sparc. Oracle just posted a massively >>> record breaking TPC-C benchmark using their new Sparc T3 servers, >>> something like 30 MILLION TPM. >> Oracle has very publically committed to keeping

Re: [CentOS] Troubles for an non-IT beginner

On 01/18/11 10:51 PM, Geoff Galitz wrote: > >> Wrong on the demise of the Sparc. Oracle just posted a massively >> record breaking TPC-C benchmark using their new Sparc T3 servers, >> something like 30 MILLION TPM. > Oracle has very publically committed to keeping SPARC strong, which is good >

Re: [CentOS] Troubles for an non-IT beginner

> Wrong on the demise of the Sparc. Oracle just posted a massively > record breaking TPC-C benchmark using their new Sparc T3 servers, > something like 30 MILLION TPM. Oracle has very publically committed to keeping SPARC strong, which is good news for those of us believe in diversity in th

Re: [CentOS] Troubles for an non-IT beginner

On 01/18/11 6:59 PM, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote: > There are other architectures, which a home PC is unlikely to have. > These include ARM (common in some fascinating netbooks and > smartphones) and sparc (no longer in production, Sun computers got > bought). Wrong on the demise of the Sparc. Ora

Re: [CentOS] Troubles for an non-IT beginner

On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 12:31 PM, Parshwa Murdia wrote: > On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 5:02 PM, Robert Heller wrote: > >> > i386 is for older technology PCs. The x86_64 is for newer PCs > > How can I know that I have to use i386 or x86_64, my machine is not very new > though. > > >> >> The x86_64 rele

Re: [CentOS] Troubles for an non-IT beginner

On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 5:45 PM, Bowie Bailey wrote: > Not by the end of January.  Probably not by the end of February.  CentOS > is a volunteer project, so CentOS 6 will be ready when it's ready.  If > you want to wait for CentOS 6, then keep an eye on either this list or > the centos.org websit

Re: [CentOS] Troubles for an non-IT beginner

On 1/16/2011 3:45 PM, Parshwa Murdia wrote: > > On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 9:21 PM, Les Mikesell > wrote: > > If you still want CentOS and aren't in a big hurry, you might wait > for the > CentOS6 release which should be coming soon. CentOS 5.x has > pac

Re: [CentOS] Troubles for an non-IT beginner

On 16/01/2011 16:33, JohnS wrote: > On Sun, 2011-01-16 at 10:55 -0500, Adam Tauno Williams wrote: >> You can ignore md5 for now - they are just for verifying that the file >> you've downloaded has not been modified. > You should not tell him to ignore it but tell him how to use it and what > it is

Re: [CentOS] Troubles for an non-IT beginner

On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 8:47 PM, Digimer wrote: The kernel is, if I recall correctly, 2.6.18 that has only been patched > to fix bugs and security features. The modern kernel is 2.6.37, and a > *lot* of hardware has come along in the years in between. For example, > it's unlikely that things lik

Re: [CentOS] Troubles for an non-IT beginner

On 01/16/2011 03:21 PM, Les Mikesell wrote: > On 1/16/11 12:43 PM, Parshwa Murdia wrote: >> >> Fedora and Ubuntu doesn't have stability and for all the family members, once >> they are familiar with, they should work at that but Fedora expires soon >> (searched at net), so for stability and all fac

Re: [CentOS] Troubles for an non-IT beginner

On 1/16/11 12:43 PM, Parshwa Murdia wrote: > > Fedora and Ubuntu doesn't have stability and for all the family members, once > they are familiar with, they should work at that but Fedora expires soon > (searched at net), so for stability and all factors, Cent OS would be good, i > Guess so! It coul

Re: [CentOS] Troubles for an non-IT beginner

Parshwa Murdia wrote: > On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 8:03 PM, John R Pierce > wrote: > > the LiveCD does not have the installer, its more of a demo. > > > But then what's the utility of that live CD? It's meant to be used to test if the distro likes your system, or t

Re: [CentOS] Troubles for an non-IT beginner

At Sun, 16 Jan 2011 20:38:03 +0100 CentOS mailing list wrote: > > > > On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 8:03 PM, John R Pierce wrote: > > the LiveCD does not have the installer, its more of a demo. > > > But then what's the utility of that live CD? It is good for: 1) Taking a 'test drive' to see

Re: [CentOS] Troubles for an non-IT beginner

At Sun, 16 Jan 2011 14:47:33 -0500 CentOS mailing list wrote: > > On 01/16/2011 02:35 PM, Parshwa Murdia wrote: > > On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 8:32 PM, Digimer > > wrote: > > > > I'd have to search through the CentOS mirror list to find it. Given the > > geograp

Re: [CentOS] Troubles for an non-IT beginner

At Sun, 16 Jan 2011 20:37:29 +0100 CentOS mailing list wrote: > > > > On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 8:03 PM, John R Pierce wrote: > > the LiveCD does not have the installer, its more of a demo. > > > > the 7 CDs are the complete system, but you can install with just the > > first one by choosing

Re: [CentOS] Troubles for an non-IT beginner

On 1/16/11 1:32 PM, Digimer wrote: > > As for distro stability, it is true that Fedora/Ubuntu is not *as* > stable as CentOS, but I use Fedora for my daily use laptop (I'm a > sysadmin/programmer) and I've never had a major issue. By all means, try > CentOS, but if you run into problems, please giv

Re: [CentOS] Troubles for an non-IT beginner

On 17/01/2011, at 8:38 AM, Parshwa Murdia wrote: > On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 8:03 PM, John R Pierce wrote: > > the LiveCD does not have the installer, its more of a demo. > > But then what's the utility of that live CD? It doesn't need to be installed onto the hard-disk, so it basically a try-

Re: [CentOS] Troubles for an non-IT beginner

On 17/01/2011, at 7:43 AM, Parshwa Murdia wrote: > On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 6:40 PM, Digimer wrote: > > If you are completely new to Linux, may I suggest you start with Fedora > or Ubuntu? CentOS is a wonderful distrobution, but it is aimed at > somewhat more advanced used. It is also designed f

Re: [CentOS] Troubles for an non-IT beginner

On 01/16/2011 02:35 PM, Parshwa Murdia wrote: > On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 8:32 PM, Digimer > wrote: > > I'd have to search through the CentOS mirror list to find it. Given the > geographic spread of the mirrors though, you would be best served to > search yours

Re: [CentOS] Troubles for an non-IT beginner

On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 8:03 PM, John R Pierce wrote: the LiveCD does not have the installer, its more of a demo. But then what's the utility of that live CD? -- Regards, Parshwa Murdia ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.o

Re: [CentOS] Troubles for an non-IT beginner

On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 8:03 PM, John R Pierce wrote: the LiveCD does not have the installer, its more of a demo. > > the 7 CDs are the complete system, but you can install with just the > first one by choosing the minimal packages, and then use yum to install > other components. > Then only the

Re: [CentOS] Troubles for an non-IT beginner

On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 8:32 PM, Digimer wrote: I'd have to search through the CentOS mirror list to find it. Given the > geographic spread of the mirrors though, you would be best served to > search yourself for one near you. > Ok. > By all means, try CentOS, but if you run into problems, pl

Re: [CentOS] Troubles for an non-IT beginner

On 01/16/2011 01:43 PM, Parshwa Murdia wrote: > On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 6:40 PM, Digimer > wrote: > > If your computer has a 64-bit CPU then you can use x86_64. This makes it > easier to access memory above 3GB, and many new applications are now > available i

Re: [CentOS] Troubles for an non-IT beginner

At Sun, 16 Jan 2011 19:43:55 +0100 CentOS mailing list wrote: > > > > On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 6:40 PM, Digimer wrote: > > If your computer has a 64-bit CPU then you can use x86_64. This makes it > > easier to access memory above 3GB, and many new applications are now > > available in 64-bit

Re: [CentOS] Troubles for an non-IT beginner

At Sun, 16 Jan 2011 19:40:10 +0100 CentOS mailing list wrote: > > > > On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 6:45 PM, Robert Heller wrote: > > > How can I know that I have to use i386 or x86_64, my machine is not very > > new > > > though. > > > > How old is it? > > > > It is some two years old and I gue

Re: [CentOS] Troubles for an non-IT beginner

On 01/16/11 10:40 AM, Parshwa Murdia wrote: > > CentOS-5.5-i386-LiveCD-Release2.iso > > > is having complete OS 5.5 for 32 bit, but where could be obtained the > torrent link for this particular file? the LiveCD do

Re: [CentOS] Troubles for an non-IT beginner

On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 6:40 PM, Digimer wrote: If your computer has a 64-bit CPU then you can use x86_64. This makes it > easier to access memory above 3GB, and many new applications are now > available in 64-bit. If your CPU is older, it may only support 32-bit. > In this case, you must use the

Re: [CentOS] Troubles for an non-IT beginner

On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 6:45 PM, Robert Heller wrote: > How can I know that I have to use i386 or x86_64, my machine is not very > new > > though. > > How old is it? > It is some two years old and I guess after seeing the things that it could be 32 bit which is in requirement. > There is one

Re: [CentOS] Troubles for an non-IT beginner

At Sun, 16 Jan 2011 18:31:04 +0100 CentOS mailing list wrote: > > > > On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 5:02 PM, Robert Heller wrote: > > > i386 is for older technology PCs. The x86_64 is for newer PCs > > > > How can I know that I have to use i386 or x86_64, my machine is not very new > though. Ho

Re: [CentOS] Troubles for an non-IT beginner

On 01/16/2011 12:31 PM, Parshwa Murdia wrote: > On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 5:02 PM, Robert Heller > wrote: > > > i386 is for older technology PCs. The x86_64 is for newer PCs > > > How can I know that I have to use i386 or x86_64, my machine is not very > new though

Re: [CentOS] Troubles for an non-IT beginner

>>How can I know that I have to use i386 or x86_64, my machine is not very new though Do some research on your computer - who makes it, what model number, what cpu, how much ram? i386 is 32bit, x86_64 is 64 bit. If you have 4 gigs of ram or more, you'll likely want the 64bit. _

Re: [CentOS] Troubles for an non-IT beginner

On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 5:02 PM, Robert Heller wrote: > i386 is for older technology PCs. The x86_64 is for newer PCs > How can I know that I have to use i386 or x86_64, my machine is not very new though. > The x86_64 release takes two DVDs, but the second DVD just has > OpenOffice language p

Re: [CentOS] Troubles for an non-IT beginner

On Sun, 2011-01-16 at 10:55 -0500, Adam Tauno Williams wrote: > You can ignore md5 for now - they are just for verifying that the file > you've downloaded has not been modified. You should not tell him to ignore it but tell him how to use it and what it is for. "md5sum my.iso" Validate the ISO

Re: [CentOS] Troubles for an non-IT beginner

At Sun, 16 Jan 2011 10:19:54 -0500 CentOS mailing list wrote: > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: centos-boun...@centos.org > > [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On Behalf Of Parshwa Murdia > > Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2011 9:52 > > To: centos@centos.org > > Subject: [CentOS] T

Re: [CentOS] Troubles for an non-IT beginner

On Sun, 2011-01-16 at 15:51 +0100, Parshwa Murdia wrote: > hello, > I am absolutely new, means from non-IT sector but have attraction > (developed recently) towards linux and have chosen the centos distro > for the installation as an OS in my home PC for personal use. I went > to the page: > http:/

Re: [CentOS] Troubles for an non-IT beginner

> -Original Message- > From: centos-boun...@centos.org > [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On Behalf Of Parshwa Murdia > Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2011 9:52 > To: centos@centos.org > Subject: [CentOS] Troubles for an non-IT beginner > > hello, > > I am absolutely new, means from non-