On Monday, September 26, 2011 06:40 PM, Lamar Owen wrote:
> If it's not supported it shouldn't be enabled and easily (ab)used. This is
> part of the reason you have to add a boot argument to get CentOS to do a
> version upgrade; it's known to not work properly, and thus is semi-hidden.
Now tha
On Saturday, September 24, 2011 06:34:15 AM Christopher Chan wrote:
> Ah...you're supposed to use do-release-upgrade and not 'apt dist-upgrade'
If that is what is called by the gui distribution upgrade button, it has done
similar things to a few installs I have had to repair.
> Ubuntu ain't Debi
On Saturday, September 24, 2011 03:13 AM, Lamar Owen wrote:
> On Friday, September 23, 2011 02:35:40 PM Craig White wrote:
>> I moved to Ubuntu on my own server, some of my customers servers as has my
>> employer.
>
> This is not a Ubuntu list.
>
> I have had my share of problems with more than on
On 9/24/11, Johnny Hughes wrote:
> Yes, I suck at communication. Just ask my 1st wife.
Does that mean that the whole dev team are just going to chalk it up
to poor communications, shrug and not do anything about the
communication channel, despite the existence of the qaweb and that it
probably t
On 9/24/11, Lamar Owen wrote:
> I don't think you understand. The process is iterative; if QA fails it's
> all the way back up to building it again. A package may have existed three
> weeks ago in terms of being built; if that package had passed binary testing
> and QA it would have been release
On 09/23/2011 04:51 PM, Dennis Jacobfeuerborn wrote:
> On 09/23/2011 09:58 PM, Johnny Hughes wrote:
>> On 09/23/2011 12:29 PM, Dennis Jacobfeuerborn wrote:
>
> [SNIP]
>
>>
>> If there are issues that prevent this then
>>> make an announcement to that effect so that people at least know that they
On 09/23/2011 09:58 PM, Johnny Hughes wrote:
> On 09/23/2011 12:29 PM, Dennis Jacobfeuerborn wrote:
[SNIP]
>
> If there are issues that prevent this then
>> make an announcement to that effect so that people at least know that they
>> have to take matter in their own hands. Writing such an email
On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 2:13 PM, Lamar Owen wrote:
> On Friday, September 23, 2011 02:35:40 PM Craig White wrote:
>> I moved to Ubuntu on my own server, some of my customers servers as has my
>> employer.
>
> This is not a Ubuntu list.
It's not a Red Hat list either, yet you didn't complain when
Quoting Johnny Hughes :
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> On 09/23/2011 12:29 PM, Dennis Jacobfeuerborn wrote:
>> On 09/23/2011 06:57 PM, Johnny Hughes wrote:
>>> On 09/23/2011 09:06 AM, Stefan Held wrote:
Am Donnerstag, den 22.09
On Sep 23, 2011, at 12:13 PM, Lamar Owen wrote:
> On Friday, September 23, 2011 02:35:40 PM Craig White wrote:
>> I moved to Ubuntu on my own server, some of my customers servers as has my
>> employer.
>
> This is not a Ubuntu list.
>
> I have had my share of problems with more than one of the
On Friday, September 23, 2011 03:17:07 PM Dennis Jacobfeuerborn wrote:
> On 09/23/2011 07:57 PM, Lamar Owen wrote:
> > Have you pondered the moral implications of knowlingly installing insecure
> > software and placing it on the public internet? Oh, wait, it's not a moral
> > issue, since there
On 09/23/2011 12:29 PM, Dennis Jacobfeuerborn wrote:
> On 09/23/2011 06:57 PM, Johnny Hughes wrote:
>> On 09/23/2011 09:06 AM, Stefan Held wrote:
>>> Am Donnerstag, den 22.09.2011, 07:28 -0500 schrieb Johnny Hughes:
>>>
No matter what we try to do ... some kind of rolling updates for people
>>
On 09/23/2011 07:57 PM, Lamar Owen wrote:
> On Friday, September 23, 2011 01:29:51 PM Dennis Jacobfeuerborn wrote:
>> What you are suggesting here is that people should expect centos systems to
>> be insecure and go the RHEL if they want secure systems.
>
> If the timeliness of security updates is
On Friday, September 23, 2011 02:35:40 PM Craig White wrote:
> I moved to Ubuntu on my own server, some of my customers servers as has my
> employer.
This is not a Ubuntu list.
I have had my share of problems with more than one of the LTS Ubuntu
distributions, more than I have had with CentOS.
On Sep 23, 2011, at 10:57 AM, Lamar Owen wrote:
> On Friday, September 23, 2011 01:29:51 PM Dennis Jacobfeuerborn wrote:
>> What you are suggesting here is that people should expect centos systems to
>> be insecure and go the RHEL if they want secure systems.
>
> If the timeliness of security u
On Friday, September 23, 2011 01:29:51 PM Dennis Jacobfeuerborn wrote:
> What you are suggesting here is that people should expect centos systems to
> be insecure and go the RHEL if they want secure systems.
If the timeliness of security updates is essential/critical you cannt get
faster updates
On Friday, September 23, 2011 12:57:31 PM Johnny Hughes wrote:
> There is a whole channel of RPMs that we are not allowed to look at from
> upstream now. They do not release them on any ISOs and we can't pull
> things directly off RHN (the only way to get the optional channel) and
> use it. This
On 09/23/2011 06:57 PM, Johnny Hughes wrote:
> On 09/23/2011 09:06 AM, Stefan Held wrote:
>> Am Donnerstag, den 22.09.2011, 07:28 -0500 schrieb Johnny Hughes:
>>
>>> No matter what we try to do ... some kind of rolling updates for people
>>> who do not want to wait ... or whatever the next thing is
On 9/24/11, Johnny Hughes wrote:
> I can tell you that we are building 6.x stuff for QA now and have been
> for several weeks.
I'm not personally unhappy with the devs over the situation since I
pretty much didn't plan on any critical C6 installations until 6.1
comes out. So with just one testing
Johnny - blow all this off. The rest of us, posters and lurkers alike,
appreciate the work the team's doing.
The *only* thing that I'm interested in, now, is the apache update for the
bloody Digitar mess.
mark
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On 09/23/2011 09:06 AM, Stefan Held wrote:
> Am Donnerstag, den 22.09.2011, 07:28 -0500 schrieb Johnny Hughes:
>
>> No matter what we try to do ... some kind of rolling updates for people
>> who do not want to wait ... or whatever the next thing is ... well you
>> do not seem to be happy.
>
> You
On 09/23/2011 07:50 AM, Alain Péan wrote:
> Le 22/09/2011 14:28, Johnny Hughes a écrit :
>> No matter what we try to do ... some kind of rolling updates for people
>> who do not want to wait ... or whatever the next thing is ... well you
>> do not seem to be happy.
>
> Which rolling updates ? OK f
Am Donnerstag, den 22.09.2011, 07:28 -0500 schrieb Johnny Hughes:
> No matter what we try to do ... some kind of rolling updates for people
> who do not want to wait ... or whatever the next thing is ... well you
> do not seem to be happy.
Your "Customers" are not unhappy because they don't like
Le 22/09/2011 14:28, Johnny Hughes a écrit :
> No matter what we try to do ... some kind of rolling updates for people
> who do not want to wait ... or whatever the next thing is ... well you
> do not seem to be happy.
Which rolling updates ? OK for 5.x, but 5.7 has been released, so this
repo is
On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 7:28 AM, Johnny Hughes
wrote:
> On 09/21/2011 06:00 PM, Les Mikesell wrote:
>> On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 5:46 PM, Christopher Chan
>> wrote:
No LTS? - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LTS
>>>
>>> For Ubuntu's definition of 'support'. It is in no way comparable to
On 09/21/2011 06:00 PM, Les Mikesell wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 5:46 PM, Christopher Chan
> wrote:
>>>
>>> No LTS? - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LTS
>>>
>>
>> For Ubuntu's definition of 'support'. It is in no way comparable to what
>> you can get in previous Centos releases. It is 'comparab
On Thursday, September 22, 2011 07:00 AM, Les Mikesell wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 5:46 PM, Christopher Chan
> wrote:
>>>
>>> No LTS? - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LTS
>>>
>>
>> For Ubuntu's definition of 'support'. It is in no way comparable to what
>> you can get in previous Centos releas
As the OP, I will say this. I blew out my CentOS 6.0 installation having installed SL kernel and firmware packages. I thought I would install SL 6.1 to see how it would be since it was a new install with no real value as far as customizations. It wouldn't run after the installation, boot up and cr
On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 5:46 PM, Christopher Chan
wrote:
>>
>> No LTS? - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LTS
>>
>
> For Ubuntu's definition of 'support'. It is in no way comparable to what
> you can get in previous Centos releases. It is 'comparable' to CEntos 6
> - none
Errr, what? Apt-get is stil
On Thursday, September 22, 2011 12:50 AM, Craig White wrote:
>>> I don't have to worry about 'long term support'
>>
>> Cause there is none.
>
> Ubuntu != Debian
>
> No LTS? - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LTS
>
For Ubuntu's definition of 'support'. It is in no way comparable to what
you can
craig
this is your second troll in two posts.
stop trolling
we are glad for your past life when centos rescued you from whatever.
plus, your past and current usage of centos, migrations to another distro,
and opinions are duly noted "again".
like for the hundredth time
another time will not b
On Wed, 2011-09-21 at 09:50 -0700, Craig White wrote:
> Ubuntu != Debian
http://www.differencebetween.net/technology/difference-between-ubuntu-vs-debian/
> But it's not really my intent to debate which distro - just wanted to
> point out that at this point, it requires a leap of faith to instal
On Sep 21, 2011, at 6:41 AM, Ross Walker wrote:
> On Sep 21, 2011, at 12:03 AM, Craig White wrote:
>
I guess the point I was trying to make without being excessively blunt
is that the track record of timely releases for CentOS 6.x (any release)
and the track record of timel
On Sep 21, 2011, at 12:03 AM, Craig White wrote:
> On Tue, 2011-09-20 at 09:18 -0400, Ross Walker wrote:
>> On Sep 19, 2011, at 7:12 PM, Craig White wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 2011-09-19 at 18:41 -0400, Ross Walker wrote:
On Sep 17, 2011, at 7:49 PM, Craig White wrote:
> At some poin
On Tue, 2011-09-20 at 09:18 -0400, Ross Walker wrote:
> On Sep 19, 2011, at 7:12 PM, Craig White wrote:
>
> > On Mon, 2011-09-19 at 18:41 -0400, Ross Walker wrote:
> >> On Sep 17, 2011, at 7:49 PM, Craig White wrote:
> >>
> >>> At some point, security updates for 6.1 will be released and then i
On Sep 19, 2011, at 7:12 PM, Craig White wrote:
> On Mon, 2011-09-19 at 18:41 -0400, Ross Walker wrote:
>> On Sep 17, 2011, at 7:49 PM, Craig White wrote:
>>
>>> At some point, security updates for 6.1 will be released and then it
>>> becomes a matter of deciding to install it based on the evid
On Mon, 2011-09-19 at 18:41 -0400, Ross Walker wrote:
> On Sep 17, 2011, at 7:49 PM, Craig White wrote:
>
> > At some point, security updates for 6.1 will be released and then it
> > becomes a matter of deciding to install it based on the evidence that
> > security updates have been non-existent
On Sep 17, 2011, at 7:49 PM, Craig White wrote:
> At some point, security updates for 6.1 will be released and then it
> becomes a matter of deciding to install it based on the evidence that
> security updates have been non-existent all this time.
I'm sorry I don't follow you here?
I'm fairly c
On Sun, 2011-09-18 at 08:29 +0100, Keith Roberts wrote:
> Reason being I had a very similar experience with the Fedora
> Electronics Lab respin Live CD earlier this year.
I always buy 386 and x64 DVDs of each Centos sub-version. About 3-4
months ago I tried to install Centos from DVDs and the di
On Sun, 18 Sep 2011, Karanbir Singh wrote:
> To: CentOS mailing list
> From: Karanbir Singh
> Subject: Re: [CentOS] This doesn't make sense
>
> Hi,
>
> On 09/18/2011 12:39 AM, Fajar Priyanto wrote:
>> A lot of people responded related to media, and that's
On Sat, 2011-09-17 at 19:20 -0400, Thomas Dukes wrote:
> I'm sure I'll have more questions later as 6.0 is much different than
> previous versions. :-)
bear in mind...
CentOS 6.0 is almost a year old without security updates
CentOS 6.1 (when it finally gets released) will likely be about 6 m
Hi,
On 09/18/2011 12:39 AM, Fajar Priyanto wrote:
> A lot of people responded related to media, and that's because it
> happens. As in the end the OP confirms that.
That is true, and I apologise. Guess I must just be really lucky not
having had a media issue in many years now.
- KB
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On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 1:27 AM, Karanbir Singh wrote:
>> Faulty burn media?
>
> This is the sort of message that is really unhelpful. You are stating
> opinion, with no relation to the actual email posted by the OP, and
> provide nothing to work with to prove or disprove the situation. Unless
>
Thomas Dukes wrote:
> I do miss the old startup where you can see if services start or fail.
Edit /etc/grub.conf. Comment out the splashimage and hiddenmenu
lines. Remove the 'rhgb' and 'quiet' options from the kernel argument
list. On your next reboot you should see something useful once mor
> -Original Message-
> From: centos-boun...@centos.org
> [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On Behalf Of Karanbir Singh
> Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 1:35 PM
> To: CentOS mailing list
> Subject: Re: [CentOS] This doesn't make sense
>
> On 09/17/2011
>
> Just want to remind everyone that this isn't a social chatter
> list, or a LUG free for all. Lets try and actually be
> productive and lets try to help people in a tangible manner.
> If you don't have anything relevant to say or contribute to a
> conversation, its perfectly fine to not sa
On 09/17/2011 12:25 PM, Thomas Dukes wrote:
> I get the 'Welcome' screen, I make the selection to install or upgrade, get
> to 'Loading vmlinuz..', then it hangs.
Edit that line, add 'debug' and 'text' to the boot line, see how far it
gets. Try to list the last 25 odd lines of the boot messages be
On 09/17/2011 04:50 PM, Keith Roberts wrote:
>> Can you expand a bit on the 'wont boot', actually expand quite a lot.
>> Run the installer in debug mode and turn off all rhgb, quiet etc and see
>> what point and how far the system gets.
>
> Faulty burn media?
This is the sort of message that is r
On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 11:57 PM, Always Learning wrote:
>
> On Sat, 2011-09-17 at 16:50 +0100, Keith Roberts wrote:
>
>> Faulty burn media?
>
> I use a lot to record television news, among my many other activities,
> and estimate about 4% to 5% of DVDs are bad.
Bad media is one high possibility.
On Sat, 2011-09-17 at 16:50 +0100, Keith Roberts wrote:
> Faulty burn media?
I use a lot to record television news, among my many other activities,
and estimate about 4% to 5% of DVDs are bad.
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On Sat, 17 Sep 2011, Thomas Dukes wrote:
> I get the 'Welcome' screen, I make the selection to
> install or upgrade, get to 'Loading vmlinuz..', then it
> hangs.
>
> Maybe the DVDs are bad. Can a 32 bit machine create a 64
> bit install disc?
I had that with 32 bit installation. Try to boot in
On Sat, 17 Sep 2011, Karanbir Singh wrote:
> To: CentOS mailing list
> From: Karanbir Singh
> Subject: Re: [CentOS] This doesn't make sense
>
> Hi,
>
> On 09/17/2011 02:52 AM, Thomas Dukes wrote:
>> It won't boot CentOS 6.0 64 bit, Scientific Linux 64 bit
> -Original Message-
> From: centos-boun...@centos.org
> [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On Behalf Of Karanbir Singh
> Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 5:34 AM
> To: CentOS mailing list
> Subject: Re: [CentOS] This doesn't make sense
>
> Hi,
>
Hi,
On 09/17/2011 02:52 AM, Thomas Dukes wrote:
> It won't boot CentOS 6.0 64 bit, Scientific Linux 64 bit 6.1, but will boot
> 32 bit CentOS 6.0.
Can you expand a bit on the 'wont boot', actually expand quite a lot.
Run the installer in debug mode and turn off all rhgb, quiet etc and see
what po
On 09/16/11 7:36 PM, Craig White wrote:
> Xeon processor? sounds old
Xeon E3 is a server/workstation version of the latest sandy bridge
processors, also known as core i-series
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The Lenovo TS130 is not listed on Redhat 6.0 system
Certified list.
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There are some notes on other think servers, maybe that
would hel
On 09/16/2011 10:36 PM, Craig White wrote:
> On Fri, 2011-09-16 at 21:52 -0400, Thomas Dukes wrote:
>> Just got my Lenovo TS130 with a Xeon E3-1225 Processor, 4GB RAM, blah, blah,
>> blah..
>>
>> It won't boot CentOS 6.0 64 bit, Scientific Linux 64 bit 6.1, but will boot
>> 32 bit CentOS 6.0.
>
On Fri, 2011-09-16 at 21:52 -0400, Thomas Dukes wrote:
> Just got my Lenovo TS130 with a Xeon E3-1225 Processor, 4GB RAM, blah, blah,
> blah..
>
> It won't boot CentOS 6.0 64 bit, Scientific Linux 64 bit 6.1, but will boot
> 32 bit CentOS 6.0.
>
> Any ideas? Otherwise, its going back to Amazo
On 09/16/2011 09:52 PM, Thomas Dukes wrote:
> Just got my Lenovo TS130 with a Xeon E3-1225 Processor, 4GB RAM, blah, blah,
> blah..
>
> It won't boot CentOS 6.0 64 bit, Scientific Linux 64 bit 6.1, but will boot
> 32 bit CentOS 6.0.
>
> Any ideas? Otherwise, its going back to Amazon Monday an
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