Re: [CentOS] SSH Weak Ciphers

2016-10-20 Thread Valeri Galtsev
On Thu, October 20, 2016 7:38 am, Leonard den Ottolander wrote: > Hello Alice, > > On Wed, 2016-10-19 at 14:22 -0700, Alice Wonder wrote: >> I formerly used secp521r1 but suddenly Google with no warning stopped >> supporting it in chrome. That company is too powerful. It is. As anything behind w

Re: [CentOS] SSH Weak Ciphers

2016-10-20 Thread Leonard den Ottolander
Hello Alice, On Wed, 2016-10-19 at 14:22 -0700, Alice Wonder wrote: > I formerly used secp521r1 but suddenly Google with no warning stopped > supporting it in chrome. That company is too powerful. Actually this is something the NSA insists on: https://www.iad.gov/iad/customcf/openAttachment.cfm

Re: [CentOS] SSH Weak Ciphers

2016-10-20 Thread Leonard den Ottolander
Hi, On Thu, 2016-10-20 at 13:47 +0200, Leonard den Ottolander wrote: > The point Bernstein makes in the article I referenced is not so much > that the NIST curves are suspect (for the reasons you mention) but the > fact that the ECDSA algorithm itself is such that it is virtually > impossible to i

Re: [CentOS] SSH Weak Ciphers

2016-10-20 Thread Leonard den Ottolander
Hello Alice, On Wed, 2016-10-19 at 13:40 -0700, Alice Wonder wrote: > On 10/19/2016 11:34 AM, Leonard den Ottolander wrote: > > Personally I would be more concerned whether or not to enable ECDSA > > algorithms (https://blog.cr.yp.to/20140323-ecdsa.html). > For web server ECDSA certs is currently

Re: [CentOS] SSH Weak Ciphers

2016-10-19 Thread Alice Wonder
On 10/19/2016 01:54 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: Alice Wonder wrote: On 10/19/2016 11:34 AM, Leonard den Ottolander wrote: Hello Gordon, *snip* Personally I would be more concerned whether or not to enable ECDSA algorithms (https://blog.cr.yp.to/20140323-ecdsa.html). For web server ECDSA c

Re: [CentOS] SSH Weak Ciphers

2016-10-19 Thread m . roth
Alice Wonder wrote: > On 10/19/2016 11:34 AM, Leonard den Ottolander wrote: >> Hello Gordon, >> > *snip* >> >> Personally I would be more concerned whether or not to enable ECDSA >> algorithms (https://blog.cr.yp.to/20140323-ecdsa.html). >> > For web server ECDSA certs is currently a concern becaus

Re: [CentOS] SSH Weak Ciphers

2016-10-19 Thread Alice Wonder
On 10/19/2016 11:34 AM, Leonard den Ottolander wrote: Hello Gordon, *snip* Personally I would be more concerned whether or not to enable ECDSA algorithms (https://blog.cr.yp.to/20140323-ecdsa.html). Regards, Leonard. For web server ECDSA certs is currently a concern because the only curv

Re: [CentOS] SSH Weak Ciphers

2016-10-19 Thread Clint Dilks
On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 4:30 AM, Leonard den Ottolander < leon...@den.ottolander.nl> wrote: > Hello Clint, > > On Wed, 2016-10-19 at 11:28 +1300, Clint Dilks wrote: > > The following weak client-to-server encryption algorithms are supported > by > > the remote service: > > rijndael-...@lysator.liu

Re: [CentOS] SSH Weak Ciphers

2016-10-19 Thread Leonard den Ottolander
Hello Gordon, On Wed, 2016-10-19 at 10:31 -0700, Gordon Messmer wrote: > On 10/19/2016 08:30 AM, Leonard den Ottolander wrote: > > Where did you get the idea that AES (~ Rijndael) is a weak cipher? > > > It's not the cipher, but the mode. CBC has several known weaknesses in > TLS, and is frequ

Re: [CentOS] SSH Weak Ciphers

2016-10-19 Thread Gordon Messmer
On 10/19/2016 08:30 AM, Leonard den Ottolander wrote: Where did you get the idea that AES (~ Rijndael) is a weak cipher? It's not the cipher, but the mode. CBC has several known weaknesses in TLS, and is frequently regarded as potentially insecure as a result. https://www.openssl.org/~bodo

Re: [CentOS] SSH Weak Ciphers

2016-10-19 Thread Leon Fauster
Am 19.10.2016 um 17:30 schrieb Leonard den Ottolander : > Hello Clint, > > On Wed, 2016-10-19 at 11:28 +1300, Clint Dilks wrote: >> The following weak client-to-server encryption algorithms are supported by >> the remote service: >> rijndael-...@lysator.liu.se >> arcfour256 >> arcfour128 >> aes25

Re: [CentOS] SSH Weak Ciphers

2016-10-19 Thread Leon Fauster
Am 19.10.2016 um 17:05 schrieb Chris Adams : > Once upon a time, Erik Laxdal said: >> The supported KexAlgorithms, Ciphers, and MACs are generally listed >> in the sshd_config man page. So 'man sshd_config' then look for the >> section of the item of interest. > > Note that the man page does not

Re: [CentOS] SSH Weak Ciphers

2016-10-19 Thread Leonard den Ottolander
Hello Clint, On Wed, 2016-10-19 at 11:28 +1300, Clint Dilks wrote: > The following weak client-to-server encryption algorithms are supported by > the remote service: > rijndael-...@lysator.liu.se > arcfour256 > arcfour128 > aes256-cbc > 3des-cbc > aes192-cbc > blowfish-cbc > cast128-cbc > arcfour

Re: [CentOS] SSH Weak Ciphers

2016-10-19 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Erik Laxdal said: > The supported KexAlgorithms, Ciphers, and MACs are generally listed > in the sshd_config man page. So 'man sshd_config' then look for the > section of the item of interest. Note that the man page does not always match the actual compiled binary (the build pr

Re: [CentOS] SSH Weak Ciphers

2016-10-19 Thread Erik Laxdal
On 2016-10-19 03:11, Leon Fauster wrote: Is there any command to find the supported list of KeyAlgos, MACs and Ciphers for the particular system (e.g. EL{5,6,7})? Similar to $ openssl ciphers -v ... The supported KexAlgorithms, Ciphers, and MACs are generally listed in the sshd_config man pa

Re: [CentOS] SSH Weak Ciphers

2016-10-19 Thread Leon Fauster
Am 19.10.2016 um 00:58 schrieb Gordon Messmer : > On 10/18/2016 03:28 PM, Clint Dilks wrote: >> So first >> question is are people generally modifying the list of ciphers supported by >> the ssh client and sshd? > > I suspect that "generally" people are not. I do, because I can, and so that > I

Re: [CentOS] SSH Weak Ciphers

2016-10-18 Thread Gordon Messmer
On 10/18/2016 03:28 PM, Clint Dilks wrote: So first question is are people generally modifying the list of ciphers supported by the ssh client and sshd? I suspect that "generally" people are not. I do, because I can, and so that I can offer at least some advice to people who aim to do so.

Re: [CentOS] SSH Weak Ciphers

2016-10-18 Thread Alice Wonder
On CentOS 7 I put the following at the end of ssh KexAlgorithms curve25519-sha...@libssh.org,diffie-hellman-group-exchange-sha256 I believe that prevents the CBC ciphers from being used. CentOS 6 I *think* does not support curve25519 so that one may not be an option for CentOS 6. That really