On 12/19/2013 12:16, Connie Sieh wrote:
> Look at
>
> lftp ftp.redhat.com:/redhat/rhel/beta/7/x86_64/os/Packages> ls libedit*
Thanks for the tip. The VM I'm testing RHEL 7 beta on isn't
network-connected, so I guess I'm just going to have to mirror that
directory.
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On Thu, 19 Dec 2013, Warren Young wrote:
> On 12/17/2013 18:57, Andrew Wyatt wrote:
>> Yes, there are many missing -devel packages. It's possible that they
>> didn't fit on the media though,
Look at
lftp ftp.redhat.com:/redhat/rhel/beta/7/x86_64/os/Packages> ls libedit*
libedit-3.0-10.20121213
On 12/17/2013 18:57, Andrew Wyatt wrote:
> Yes, there are many missing -devel packages. It's possible that they
> didn't fit on the media though,
I've run into two of these myself: libedit and libgd. Both of these are
living, useful libraries, without direct replacements.[*]
Clearly there are
On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 07:57:01PM -0600, Andrew Wyatt wrote:
> Yes, there are many missing -devel packages. It's possible that they
> didn't fit on the media though, I haven't connected the system to RedHat's
> repositories.
You can just run yum update (though I think you have to manually change
Yes, there are many missing -devel packages. It's possible that they
didn't fit on the media though, I haven't connected the system to RedHat's
repositories.
On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 6:08 PM, Karanbir Singh wrote:
> On 12/16/2013 01:27 PM, Andrew Wyatt wrote:
> > I meant the actual implementatio
On 12/15/2013 10:29 AM, Les Mikesell wrote:
> On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 2:18 AM, Alain Péan wrote:
so stay on RHEL6/CentOS6 until this old hardware dies
where is the problem?
>>> Google Chrome, etc.
>>>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux
http://en.wikipedia.org
On 12/16/2013 01:27 PM, Andrew Wyatt wrote:
> I meant the actual implementation, I knew it would be GNOME Classic. This
> beta release is awful. I lost count of how many devel packages were
> missing now, I think I had to rebuild over 20 of their source rpms to get
> them while I was toying with
I meant the actual implementation, I knew it would be GNOME Classic. This
beta release is awful. I lost count of how many devel packages were
missing now, I think I had to rebuild over 20 of their source rpms to get
them while I was toying with Cairo Dock. Not to mention that desktop, 4
ways to
On 12/15/2013 10:23 PM, Keith Keller wrote:
>>
>> CentOS *IS* RHEL rebuilt without branding and offered without support
>> contracts. So saying the needs of the user differ is specious.
>
> I disagree. The people RH may be targetting for purchasing RHEL7 may
> very well be different from the pe
On 2013-12-15, John R Pierce wrote:
> On 12/15/2013 1:21 AM, Peter wrote:
>> the needs of RedHat customers are different to
>> those of CentOS users
>
> CentOS *IS* RHEL rebuilt without branding and offered without support
> contracts. So saying the needs of the user differ is specious.
I disag
On 12/15/2013 12:11 PM, John R. Dennison wrote:
> Why the reservations with ext4 on a 32bit platform?
limited memory space.
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On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 11:59:36AM -0800, John R Pierce wrote:
>
> so a custom 32 bit build, the installer probably should be modified to
> use EXT3 or 4 instead (in 32bits I'd be inclined to stick with 3),
> requiring yet more testing and debugging.
Which should be a trivial QA test.
Why the
On 12/15/2013 11:42 AM, Scott Robbins wrote:
> To answer just part of the question, yes, it's using XFS by default. If
> you choose standard partition during installation and make no other
> changes, you will have an XFS partition.
so a custom 32 bit build, the installer probably should be modifi
On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 10:35:31AM -0800, John R Pierce wrote:
> On 12/15/2013 10:27 AM, Les Mikesell wrote:
> > It does make sense in the context of being able to build a 32-bit
> > version from RHEL sources, though.
>
> which is completely untested
>
> anyways, doesn't EL7 use XFS now by de
On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 10:35:31AM -0800, John R Pierce wrote:
>
> anyways, doesn't EL7 use XFS now by default? XFS is completely
> UNsupported with a 32bit kernel as the stack is too small.
ext2/3/4 are all still available which are perfectly content with i686/32bit.
On 12/15/2013 10:27 AM, Les Mikesell wrote:
> It does make sense in the context of being able to build a 32-bit
> version from RHEL sources, though.
which is completely untested
anyways, doesn't EL7 use XFS now by default? XFS is completely
UNsupported with a 32bit kernel as the stack is to
On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 11:47 AM, John R Pierce wrote:
> On 12/15/2013 1:21 AM, Peter wrote:
>> the needs of RedHat customers are different to
>> those of CentOS users
>
> CentOS *IS* RHEL rebuilt without branding and offered without support
> contracts. So saying the needs of the user differ is
On 12/15/2013 1:21 AM, Peter wrote:
> the needs of RedHat customers are different to
> those of CentOS users
CentOS *IS* RHEL rebuilt without branding and offered without support
contracts. So saying the needs of the user differ is specious.
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On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 2:18 AM, Alain Péan wrote:
>
>>> so stay on RHEL6/CentOS6 until this old hardware dies
>>> where is the problem?
>> Google Chrome, etc.
>>
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux#Life-cycle_dates
>>
Le 15/12/2013 10:23, LEVU BIS a écrit :
> How much GB RAM RHEL 7 64bit support ?
From release notes, for x86_64,
'3 TB supported/64 TB'
That's the same as for RHEL 6.
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> To: centos@centos.org
> Subject: Re: [CentOS] RHEL 7 Beta is now public
>
> On 12/15/2013 09:40 PM, John R Pierce wrote:
> > On 12/14/2013 8:55 PM, Les Mikesell wrote:
> >> Nobody wants old desktop apps.
> >
> >
On 12/15/2013 09:40 PM, John R Pierce wrote:
> On 12/14/2013 8:55 PM, Les Mikesell wrote:
>> Nobody wants old desktop apps.
>
> new apps tend to have heavier memory and performance requirements.
>
> we don't run 16 bit stuff anymore either, and 16 bit computers, like
> intel 286, are LONG obsole
On 12/14/2013 8:55 PM, Les Mikesell wrote:
> Nobody wants old desktop apps.
new apps tend to have heavier memory and performance requirements.
we don't run 16 bit stuff anymore either, and 16 bit computers, like
intel 286, are LONG obsolete, outside of the low end embedded market.
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Le 15/12/2013 05:55, Les Mikesell a écrit :
> On Sat, Dec 14, 2013 at 6:04 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
>>
>> so stay on RHEL6/CentOS6 until this old hardware dies
>> where is the problem?
> Google Chrome, etc.
>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
On Sat, Dec 14, 2013 at 6:04 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
>
>
> so stay on RHEL6/CentOS6 until this old hardware dies
> where is the problem?
Google Chrome, etc.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux#Life-cycle_dates
>
> *who*
On Sat, Dec 14, 2013 at 4:34 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
>
>
> Am 14.12.2013 23:30, schrieb Les Mikesell:
>> On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 3:35 PM, SilverTip257 wrote:
>>>
>>> In a way it's a shame...
>>> At the same time I can see why RH is going x86_64 only ... much hardware in
>>> data centers is 64bit
On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 3:35 PM, SilverTip257 wrote:
>
> In a way it's a shame...
> At the same time I can see why RH is going x86_64 only ... much hardware in
> data centers is 64bit capable and running 64bit OSes.
This will probably be painful for people using LTSP to boot older thin
clients ev
On 12/12/2013 03:32 PM, Warren Young wrote:
> On 12/11/2013 08:56, Karanbir Singh wrote:
>>
>> Within CentOS, we are going to do a CentOS7Beta1 build to match
>> the release upsteam
>
> In the aftermath of the CentOS 6.0 trauma, I recall there being
> speculation that building the next major rel
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On 12/12/2013 03:26 PM, Peter wrote:
> On 12/13/2013 08:20 AM, Daniel J Walsh wrote:
>> On 12/12/2013 01:49 PM, Peter wrote:
>>> On 12/13/2013 02:45 AM, Daniel J Walsh wrote:
>
What SELInux issue did you have? What policy did you need to add?
>
On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 5:19 AM, Leon Fauster wrote:
> Am 13.12.2013 um 01:10 schrieb SilverTip257 :
> > On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 6:46 PM, Leon Fauster <
> leonfaus...@googlemail.com>wrote:
> >>
> >>> Unless it's embedded hardware ... by the time EL6 isn't supported I'll
> be
> >>> you'll have a be
Am 13.12.2013 um 01:10 schrieb SilverTip257 :
> On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 6:46 PM, Leon Fauster
> wrote:
>
>>
>>> In a way it's a shame...
>>> At the same time I can see why RH is going x86_64 only ... much hardware in
>>> data centers is 64bit capable and running 64bit OSes.
>>>
>>> And they're
On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 06:47:40PM -0500, Steve Clark wrote:
> Does NM need a gui to configure interfaces, etc.
No, there's some sort of cli tool. Again, I don't use it.
You're still able to get rid of it if desired.
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On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 6:46 PM, Leon Fauster wrote:
> Am 12.12.2013 um 22:35 schrieb SilverTip257 :
> > On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 8:49 AM, Leon Fauster <
> leonfaus...@googlemail.com>wrote:
> >
> >> that is really an issue for us because we use EL for some small i586 hw
> (router etc.).
> >
> > Ind
Does NM need a gui to configure interfaces, etc.
On 12/12/2013 09:40 AM, James Hogarth wrote:
> On 12 December 2013 14:06, wrote:
>
>> Marko Vojinovic wrote:
>>> By the same logic you could argue that a text editor is not required
>>> for a bare minimum --- namely, you can always use cat and echo
Am 12.12.2013 um 22:35 schrieb SilverTip257 :
> On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 8:49 AM, Leon Fauster
> wrote:
>
>> that is really an issue for us because we use EL for some small i586 hw
>> (router etc.).
>
> Indeed.
> Now RHEL/CentOS won't be able to run on PC Engines ALIX hardware (with PAE
> enable
On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 8:49 AM, Leon Fauster wrote:
> Am 11.12.2013 um 17:03 schrieb Alain Péan :
> > Le 11/12/2013 16:56, Karanbir Singh a écrit :
> >> http://ftp.redhat.com/redhat/rhel/beta/7/
> >>
> >> Go get it ( maybe consider using a mirror ), play with it, test it, and
> >> file reports. D
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On 12/13/2013 09:26 AM, Peter wrote:
>
>> I actually do not think you need these, these were all caused by
>> the originally mislabeled system. If you remove your custom
>> policy, I bet it will work fine.
>
> That makes sense. I will try removin
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On 12/13/2013 08:20 AM, Daniel J Walsh wrote:
> On 12/12/2013 01:49 PM, Peter wrote:
>> On 12/13/2013 02:45 AM, Daniel J Walsh wrote:
>
>>> What SELInux issue did you have? What policy did you need to
>>> add?
>
>> Unfortunately I've misplaced the a
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On 12/12/2013 01:49 PM, Peter wrote:
> On 12/13/2013 02:45 AM, Daniel J Walsh wrote:
>
>> What SELInux issue did you have? What policy did you need to add?
>
> Unfortunately I've misplaced the audit logs and report of the problem, but
> this is the
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On 12/13/2013 02:45 AM, Daniel J Walsh wrote:
>
> What SELInux issue did you have? What policy did you need to add?
Unfortunately I've misplaced the audit logs and report of the problem,
but this is the policy I had to add:
module mypol 1.0;
requi
On 12/12/13 11:17, Karanbir Singh wrote:
> On 12/12/2013 11:03 AM, Peter wrote:
>> I've installed RHEL7 onto a Xen VM running off a CentOS 6 host.
> this is a great test to have done. Would really like to hear comments
> about process and result. I presume this is with the Xen4CentOS stack ?
>
> -
On 12/12/2013 09:13, James Hogarth wrote:
> On 12 December 2013 15:32, Warren Young wrote:
>
>> On 12/11/2013 08:56, Karanbir Singh wrote:
>>>
>>> Within CentOS, we are going to do a CentOS7Beta1 build to match the
>>> release upsteam
>>
>> In the aftermath of the CentOS 6.0 trauma, I recall there
On 12 December 2013 15:32, Warren Young wrote:
> On 12/11/2013 08:56, Karanbir Singh wrote:
> >
> > Within CentOS, we are going to do a CentOS7Beta1 build to match the
> > release upsteam
>
> In the aftermath of the CentOS 6.0 trauma, I recall there being
> speculation that building the next majo
On 12/11/2013 08:56, Karanbir Singh wrote:
>
> Within CentOS, we are going to do a CentOS7Beta1 build to match the
> release upsteam
In the aftermath of the CentOS 6.0 trauma, I recall there being
speculation that building the next major release wouldn't be as
troublesome, for various reasons[*]
On 12 December 2013 14:06, wrote:
> Marko Vojinovic wrote:
> > By the same logic you could argue that a text editor is not required
> > for a bare minimum --- namely, you can always use cat and echo from the
> > command line to "edit" the config files.
> >
> > The point of the text editor in a mi
Marko Vojinovic wrote:
> On Fri, 13 Dec 2013 01:19:26 +1300
> Peter wrote:
>> Right, but core should be just the bare minimum. NetworkManager is
>> certainly not required to configure your network, in fact el7 runs
>> just fine without it. Just set your ifcfg-eth0 scripts, etc, and
>> you're goo
Le 12/12/2013 14:49, Leon Fauster a écrit :
> that is really an issue for us because we use EL for some small i586 hw
> (router etc.).
You can still use CentOS 6 or RHEL 6 (maintained until 2020) ? Or buy a
cheap hardware. They are now all 64 bits.
You cannot say your i586 hw will live this long
Am 11.12.2013 um 17:03 schrieb Alain Péan :
> Le 11/12/2013 16:56, Karanbir Singh a écrit :
>> http://ftp.redhat.com/redhat/rhel/beta/7/
>>
>> Go get it ( maybe consider using a mirror ), play with it, test it, and
>> file reports. Dont use it in production.
>>
>> As in the past, we highly encour
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On 12/12/2013 06:03 AM, Peter wrote:
> On 12/12/2013 11:05 PM, Karanbir Singh wrote:
>>
>> The overall aim is to have as many people as possible test the rhel7 beta
>> and file bugs at bugzilla.redhat.com; that way everyone is testing anf
>> doing fee
On Fri, 13 Dec 2013 01:19:26 +1300
Peter wrote:
> Right, but core should be just the bare minimum. NetworkManager is
> certainly not required to configure your network, in fact el7 runs
> just fine without it. Just set your ifcfg-eth0 scripts, etc, and
> you're good to go.
By the same logic you
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Peter said the following on 12/12/2013 13:19:
> Right, but core should be just the bare minimum. NetworkManager is
> certainly not required to configure your network, in fact el7 runs just
> fine without it. Just set your ifcfg-eth0 scripts, etc,
On 12/13/2013 01:04 AM, Scott Robbins wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 12:03:55AM +1300, Peter wrote:
>> On 12/12/2013 11:05 PM, Karanbir Singh wrote:
>>>
>>
>> The core group includes NetworkManager and postfix, neither should be
>> core packages and should be excluded from a core or minimal insta
On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 12:03:55AM +1300, Peter wrote:
> On 12/12/2013 11:05 PM, Karanbir Singh wrote:
> >
>
> The core group includes NetworkManager and postfix, neither should be
> core packages and should be excluded from a core or minimal install.
Fedora, and RedHat, apparently feel that Net
On 12/13/2013 12:30 AM, Peter wrote:
> Oh I forgot to mention the other issue, I'm running it under pvgrub (and
> it works fine with a normal grub.conf file, btw, no need to install
> grub2 that way), and I had to regenerate the initramfs, the one supplied
> with the kernel did not come with the xe
On 12/13/2013 12:17 AM, Karanbir Singh wrote:
> On 12/12/2013 11:03 AM, Peter wrote:
>> I've installed RHEL7 onto a Xen VM running off a CentOS 6 host.
>
> this is a great test to have done. Would really like to hear comments
> about process and result. I presume this is with the Xen4CentOS stac
On 12/12/2013 11:03 AM, Peter wrote:
> I've installed RHEL7 onto a Xen VM running off a CentOS 6 host.
this is a great test to have done. Would really like to hear comments
about process and result. I presume this is with the Xen4CentOS stack ?
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On 12/12/2013 11:05 PM, Karanbir Singh wrote:
>
> The overall aim is to have as many people as possible test the rhel7
> beta and file bugs at bugzilla.redhat.com; that way everyone is testing
> anf doing feedback against the same builds, and we all win with a better
> overall end result.
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> Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2013 15:58:35 +0530
> From: raju.rajs...@gmail.com
> To: centos@centos.org
> Subject: Re: [CentOS] RHEL 7 Beta is now public
>
> Greetings,
>
> On T
Greetings,
On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 3:35 PM, Karanbir Singh wrote:
> strategies, start writing docs at wiki.centos.org, start doing migration
+1
Important considering that new critical things like grub2, systemd,
firewalld and the such.
With rhel7 entering many of us will be baby-sitting at le
On 12/12/2013 08:28 AM, Peter wrote:
>> well, they can't even really start until RHEL 7 is a done deal and
>> released. Investing too much effort in porting a beta often is wasted
>> when the final release has structural changes.
>
> Yes, but this seems to indicate otherwise:
>
>> Within Cent
> -Original Message-
> From: centos-boun...@centos.org [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On
> Behalf Of Johan Vermeulen
> Sent: den 12 december 2013 10:44
> To: centos@centos.org
> Subject: Re: [CentOS] RHEL 7 Beta is now public
>
> just installed it in Vurtualbox
Le 12/12/2013 10:41, Alain Péan a écrit :
> CentOS 6 has been released in November 2010
Ooops, I meant RHEL 6, of course.
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Le 12/12/2013 09:28, Peter a écrit :
>> Within CentOS, we are going to do a CentOS7Beta1 build to match the
>> >release upsteam
> That said, there is, of course, no way to even speculate when CentOS 7
> final will be released until upstream releases 7.
Yes, but experience shows it takes about 6 mo
Op 12-12-13 08:49, Sorin Srbu schreef:
>> -Original Message-
>> From: centos-boun...@centos.org [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On
>> Behalf Of Karanbir Singh
>> Sent: den 11 december 2013 16:56
>> To: CentOS mailing list
>> Subject: [CentOS] RHEL 7 Beta is now public
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> ht
On 12/12/2013 09:16 PM, John R Pierce wrote:
> On 12/11/2013 11:49 PM, Sorin Srbu wrote:
>> I see nobody's asked when CentOS 7 will be out yet.;-)
>
> well, they can't even really start until RHEL 7 is a done deal and
> released. Investing too much effort in porting a beta often is wasted
> wh
On 12/11/2013 11:49 PM, Sorin Srbu wrote:
> I see nobody's asked when CentOS 7 will be out yet.;-)
well, they can't even really start until RHEL 7 is a done deal and
released. Investing too much effort in porting a beta often is wasted
when the final release has structural changes.
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> -Original Message-
> From: centos-boun...@centos.org [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On
> Behalf Of Karanbir Singh
> Sent: den 11 december 2013 16:56
> To: CentOS mailing list
> Subject: [CentOS] RHEL 7 Beta is now public
>
> Hi,
>
> http://ftp.redhat.com/redhat/rhel/beta/7/
>
> Go
Am 11.12.2013 um 18:51 schrieb Alain Péan :
> Le 11/12/2013 18:26, Andrew Wyatt a écrit :
>> Thanks for this, looking forward to kicking the tires to see what they did
>> with GNOME 3.
>
> From the release notes :
> "Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7.0 Beta features the next major version of
> the GNOME
Le 11/12/2013 18:26, Andrew Wyatt a écrit :
> Thanks for this, looking forward to kicking the tires to see what they did
> with GNOME 3.
From the release notes :
"Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7.0 Beta features the next major version of
the GNOME Desktop, GNOME 3. The user experience of GNOME 3 is la
Thanks for this, looking forward to kicking the tires to see what they did
with GNOME 3.
On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 9:56 AM, Karanbir Singh wrote:
> Hi,
>
> http://ftp.redhat.com/redhat/rhel/beta/7/
>
> Go get it ( maybe consider using a mirror ), play with it, test it, and
> file reports. Dont use
On 11/12/13 16:03, Alain Péan wrote:
> Le 11/12/2013 16:56, Karanbir Singh a écrit :
>> http://ftp.redhat.com/redhat/rhel/beta/7/
>>
>> Go get it ( maybe consider using a mirror ), play with it, test it, and
>> file reports. Dont use it in production.
>>
>> As in the past, we highly encourage peopl
Le 11/12/2013 16:56, Karanbir Singh a écrit :
> http://ftp.redhat.com/redhat/rhel/beta/7/
>
> Go get it ( maybe consider using a mirror ), play with it, test it, and
> file reports. Dont use it in production.
>
> As in the past, we highly encourage people to use the official beta
> builds from Red
Am 11.12.2013 um 16:56 schrieb Karanbir Singh :
> Hi,
>
> http://ftp.redhat.com/redhat/rhel/beta/7/
>
> Go get it ( maybe consider using a mirror ), play with it, test it, and
> file reports. Dont use it in production.
>
> As in the past, we highly encourage people to use the official beta
> bui
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