Re: [CentOS] HDD badblocks

2016-01-23 Thread Chris Murphy
On Thu, Jan 21, 2016 at 9:27 AM, Lamar Owen wrote: > On 01/20/2016 01:43 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: >> >> On Wed, Jan 20, 2016, 7:17 AM Lamar Owen wrote: >> >>> The standard Unix way of refreshing the disk contents is with badblocks' >>> non-destructive read-write test (badblocks -n or as the -cc op

Re: [CentOS] HDD badblocks

2016-01-21 Thread Lamar Owen
On 01/20/2016 01:43 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: On Wed, Jan 20, 2016, 7:17 AM Lamar Owen wrote: The standard Unix way of refreshing the disk contents is with badblocks' non-destructive read-write test (badblocks -n or as the -cc option to e2fsck, for ext2/3/4 filesystems). This isn't applicabl

Re: [CentOS] HDD badblocks

2016-01-20 Thread Chris Murphy
On Wed, Jan 20, 2016, 7:17 AM Lamar Owen wrote: > On 01/19/2016 06:46 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: > > Hence, bad sectors accumulate. And the consequence of this often > > doesn't get figured out until a user looks at kernel messages and sees > > a bunch of hard link resets > > The standard Unix w

Re: [CentOS] HDD badblocks

2016-01-20 Thread Lamar Owen
On 01/19/2016 06:29 PM, J Martin Rushton wrote: (Off topic) I also remember seeing engineers determine which memory chip was at fault and replacing the chip using a soldering iron. Try that on a DIMM! As long as the DIMM isn't populated with BGA packages it's about a ten-minute job with a hot

Re: [CentOS] HDD badblocks

2016-01-20 Thread Lamar Owen
On 01/19/2016 06:46 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: Hence, bad sectors accumulate. And the consequence of this often doesn't get figured out until a user looks at kernel messages and sees a bunch of hard link resets The standard Unix way of refreshing the disk contents is with badblocks' non-destr

Re: [CentOS] HDD badblocks

2016-01-20 Thread James B. Byrne
On Tue, January 19, 2016 18:36, John R Pierce wrote: > On 1/19/2016 3:29 PM, J Martin Rushton wrote: >> I suspect that the gold layer on edge connectors 30-odd years ago >> was >> a lot thicker than on modern cards. We are talking contacts on 0.1" >> spacing not some modern 1/10 of a knat's whisk

Re: [CentOS] HDD badblocks

2016-01-19 Thread Valeri Galtsev
On Tue, January 19, 2016 5:29 pm, J Martin Rushton wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > I suspect that the gold layer on edge connectors 30-odd years ago was > a lot thicker than on modern cards. I remember a long time ago - that actually was in the country "Far -Far Away"

Re: [CentOS] HDD badblocks

2016-01-19 Thread Chris Murphy
On Tue, Jan 19, 2016 at 3:24 PM, Warren Young wrote: > On a modern hard disk, you should *never* see bad sectors, because the drive > is busy hiding all the bad sectors it does find, then telling you everything > is fine. This is not a given. Misconfiguration can make persistent bad sectors ve

Re: [CentOS] HDD badblocks

2016-01-19 Thread Valeri Galtsev
On Tue, January 19, 2016 4:48 pm, John R Pierce wrote: > On 1/19/2016 2:24 PM, Warren Young wrote: >> It’s dying. Replace it now. > > agreed > >> On a modern hard disk, you should*never* see bad sectors, because the >> drive is busy hiding all the bad sectors it does find, then telling you >>

Re: [CentOS] HDD badblocks

2016-01-19 Thread John R Pierce
On 1/19/2016 3:29 PM, J Martin Rushton wrote: I suspect that the gold layer on edge connectors 30-odd years ago was a lot thicker than on modern cards. We are talking contacts on 0.1" spacing not some modern 1/10 of a knat's whisker. (Off topic) I also remember seeing engineers determine which

Re: [CentOS] HDD badblocks

2016-01-19 Thread J Martin Rushton
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I suspect that the gold layer on edge connectors 30-odd years ago was a lot thicker than on modern cards. We are talking contacts on 0.1" spacing not some modern 1/10 of a knat's whisker. (Off topic) I also remember seeing engineers determine which m

Re: [CentOS] HDD badblocks

2016-01-19 Thread John R Pierce
On 1/19/2016 2:24 PM, Warren Young wrote: It’s dying. Replace it now. agreed On a modern hard disk, you should*never* see bad sectors, because the drive is busy hiding all the bad sectors it does find, then telling you everything is fine. thats not actually true.the drive will repor

Re: [CentOS] HDD badblocks

2016-01-19 Thread Chris Murphy
On Tue, Jan 19, 2016, 3:30 PM wrote: > Chris Murphy wrote: > > On Mon, Jan 18, 2016, 4:39 AM Alessandro Baggi > > > > wrote: > >> Il 18/01/2016 12:09, Chris Murphy ha scritto: > >> > What is the result for each drive? > >> > > >> > smartctl -l scterc > >> > > >> SCT Error Recovery Control comm

Re: [CentOS] HDD badblocks

2016-01-19 Thread m . roth
Chris Murphy wrote: > On Mon, Jan 18, 2016, 4:39 AM Alessandro Baggi > > wrote: >> Il 18/01/2016 12:09, Chris Murphy ha scritto: >> > What is the result for each drive? >> > >> > smartctl -l scterc >> > >> SCT Error Recovery Control command not supported >> > The drive is disqualified unless your

Re: [CentOS] HDD badblocks

2016-01-19 Thread Chris Murphy
On Mon, Jan 18, 2016, 4:39 AM Alessandro Baggi wrote: > Il 18/01/2016 12:09, Chris Murphy ha scritto: > > What is the result for each drive? > > > > smartctl -l scterc > > > > > > Chris Murphy > > ___ > > CentOS mailing list > > CentOS@centos.org > > h

Re: [CentOS] HDD badblocks

2016-01-19 Thread Warren Young
On Jan 17, 2016, at 9:59 AM, Alessandro Baggi wrote: > > On sdb there are not problem but with sda: > > 1) First run badblocks reports 28 badblocks on disk > 2) Second run badblocks reports 32 badblocks > 3) Third reports 102 badblocks > 4) Last run reports 92 badblocks. It’s dying. Replace i

Re: [CentOS] HDD badblocks

2016-01-19 Thread Alessandro Baggi
Il 18/01/2016 16:47, Matt Garman ha scritto: That's strange, I expected the SMART test to show some issues. Personally, I'm still not confident in that drive. Can you check cabling? Another possibility is that there is a cable that has vibrated into a marginal state. Probably a long shot, but

Re: [CentOS] HDD badblocks

2016-01-18 Thread Peter
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 19/01/16 12:34, J Martin Rushton wrote: > Not new: I can remember seeing DEC engineers cleaning up the > contacts on memory boards for a VAX 11/782 with a pencil eraser > c.1985. It's still a pretty standard first fix to reseat a card or > connecto

Re: [CentOS] HDD badblocks

2016-01-18 Thread J Martin Rushton
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Not new: I can remember seeing DEC engineers cleaning up the contacts on memory boards for a VAX 11/782 with a pencil eraser c.1985. It's still a pretty standard first fix to reseat a card or connector. On 18/01/16 15:47, Matt Garman wrote: > That's

Re: [CentOS] HDD badblocks

2016-01-18 Thread Gordon Messmer
On 01/18/2016 07:47 AM, Matt Garman wrote: Another possibility is that there is a cable that has vibrated into a marginal state. That wouldn't explain the SMART data reporting pending sectors. According to spec, a drive may not reallocate sectors after a read error if it's later able to read

Re: [CentOS] HDD badblocks

2016-01-18 Thread Matt Garman
That's strange, I expected the SMART test to show some issues. Personally, I'm still not confident in that drive. Can you check cabling? Another possibility is that there is a cable that has vibrated into a marginal state. Probably a long shot, but if it's easy to get physical access to the mach

Re: [CentOS] HDD badblocks

2016-01-18 Thread Alessandro Baggi
Il 18/01/2016 12:09, Chris Murphy ha scritto: What is the result for each drive? smartctl -l scterc Chris Murphy ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos . SCT Error Recovery Control command not su

Re: [CentOS] HDD badblocks

2016-01-18 Thread Chris Murphy
Also useful, complete dmesg posted somewhere (unless your MUA can be set to not wrap lines) Chris Murphy ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos

Re: [CentOS] HDD badblocks

2016-01-18 Thread Chris Murphy
What is the result for each drive? smartctl -l scterc Chris Murphy ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos

Re: [CentOS] HDD badblocks

2016-01-18 Thread Alessandro Baggi
Il 17/01/2016 19:36, Alessandro Baggi ha scritto: Il 17/01/2016 18:46, Brandon Vincent ha scritto: On Sun, Jan 17, 2016 at 10:05 AM, Matt Garman wrote: I'm not sure what's going on with your drive. But if it were mine, I'd want to replace it. If there are issues, that long smart check ought to

Re: [CentOS] HDD badblocks

2016-01-17 Thread Alessandro Baggi
Il 17/01/2016 18:46, Brandon Vincent ha scritto: On Sun, Jan 17, 2016 at 10:05 AM, Matt Garman wrote: I'm not sure what's going on with your drive. But if it were mine, I'd want to replace it. If there are issues, that long smart check ought to turn up something, and in my experience, that's e

Re: [CentOS] HDD badblocks

2016-01-17 Thread Brandon Vincent
On Sun, Jan 17, 2016 at 10:05 AM, Matt Garman wrote: > I'm not sure what's going on with your drive. But if it were mine, I'd want > to replace it. If there are issues, that long smart check ought to turn up > something, and in my experience, that's enough for a manufacturer to do a > warranty re

Re: [CentOS] HDD badblocks

2016-01-17 Thread Matt Garman
Have you ran a "long" smart test on the drive? Smartctl -t long device I'm not sure what's going on with your drive. But if it were mine, I'd want to replace it. If there are issues, that long smart check ought to turn up something, and in my experience, that's enough for a manufacturer to do a