Re: [CentOS] ClearOS rebuild

2011-06-03 Thread Thomas Harold
On 6/3/2011 10:12 PM, Ron Blizzard wrote: > On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 2:06 PM, Les Mikesell wrote: > >> That's not what I said. I said Red Hat's redistribution restriction >> created the need for Ubunutu. And that the community that is now >> dependent on RH-rebuilds might be better served by a dist

Re: [CentOS] ClearOS rebuild

2011-06-03 Thread Ron Blizzard
On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 2:15 PM, wrote: > I'm having some problems with the way the conversation is going. RedHat > *was* a company; to me, the RHEL was aimed as a wedge, to get into > corporate America. For that matter, who started offering their distro of > RHEL around then? Why, the same compa

Re: [CentOS] ClearOS rebuild

2011-06-03 Thread Ron Blizzard
On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 2:06 PM, Les Mikesell wrote: > That's not what I said. I said Red Hat's redistribution restriction > created the need for Ubunutu.  And that the community that is now > dependent on RH-rebuilds might be better served by a distribution that > does not restrict redistribution

Re: [CentOS] ClearOS rebuild

2011-06-03 Thread Les Mikesell
On 6/3/2011 2:15 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: > >> So what? Red Hat created a community by beeing free in both senses, and > then decided to go commercial at some point. And that hurt the feelings > of some minor number of hard-nosed community members. Is that what you > are talking about? >> >> I w

Re: [CentOS] ClearOS rebuild

2011-06-03 Thread Les Mikesell
On 6/3/2011 1:28 PM, Lamar Owen wrote: > On Friday, June 03, 2011 11:21:35 AM Les Mikesell wrote: >> I'm talking about what would be >> more in the best interest of the community that they attracted by >> permitting redistribution of the collated works - and then cut off. > > It's in the best inter

Re: [CentOS] ClearOS rebuild

2011-06-03 Thread m . roth
Marko Vojinovic wrote: > On Friday 03 June 2011 16:21:35 Les Mikesell wrote: >> On 6/3/2011 8:57 AM, Lamar Owen wrote: > So what? Red Hat created a community by beeing free in both senses, and then decided to go commercial at some point. And that hurt the feelings of some minor number of hard-nose

Re: [CentOS] ClearOS rebuild

2011-06-03 Thread Les Mikesell
On 6/3/2011 1:17 PM, Marko Vojinovic wrote: > >> I'm not really talking about what Red Hat does - and I'm not against >> selling restricted software in general. I'm talking about what would be >> more in the best interest of the community that they attracted by >> permitting redistribution of the

Re: [CentOS] ClearOS rebuild

2011-06-03 Thread Lamar Owen
On Friday, June 03, 2011 11:21:35 AM Les Mikesell wrote: > I'm talking about what would be > more in the best interest of the community that they attracted by > permitting redistribution of the collated works - and then cut off. It's in the best interest of the community to have Red Hat in a fin

Re: [CentOS] ClearOS rebuild

2011-06-03 Thread Marko Vojinovic
On Friday 03 June 2011 16:21:35 Les Mikesell wrote: > On 6/3/2011 8:57 AM, Lamar Owen wrote: > > > > Red Hat deserves credit for still provided the source RPM's in buildable > > form even for those parts of the distribution that are not GPL licensed. > > They are not required by license to do tha

Re: [CentOS] ClearOS rebuild

2011-06-03 Thread Les Mikesell
On 6/3/2011 8:57 AM, Lamar Owen wrote: > On Friday, June 03, 2011 09:06:28 AM Les Mikesell wrote: >> Yes, RedHat deserves the credit for denying access to the binaries of open >> source work, even to the community responsible for it even existing. > [snip] >> But when you say that, keep in mind tha

Re: [CentOS] ClearOS rebuild

2011-06-03 Thread Lamar Owen
On Thursday, June 02, 2011 08:03:34 PM Rob Kampen wrote: > My look at the website shows only i386 versions - this is a long way > away from a replacement or alternative to CentOS. Also, it likely would be a subset, and not the full distribution. This has already been done, and released, as Fram

Re: [CentOS] ClearOS rebuild

2011-06-03 Thread Lamar Owen
On Friday, June 03, 2011 09:06:28 AM Les Mikesell wrote: > Yes, RedHat deserves the credit for denying access to the binaries of open > source work, even to the community responsible for it even existing. [snip] > But when you say that, keep in mind that the 'original packages' part is the > pack

Re: [CentOS] ClearOS rebuild

2011-06-03 Thread Mathieu Baudier
> Yes, RedHat deserves the credit for denying access to the binaries of open > source work, even to the community responsible for it even existing. Since I just made a point about the upstream projects, let me respectfully disagree with your statement : free software is about freedom not free lunc

Re: [CentOS] ClearOS rebuild

2011-06-03 Thread Les Mikesell
On 6/3/11 2:41 AM, Steven Crothers wrote: > > If you want to get into the nitty gritty of it, the ONLY group of > people who deserve ANY credit at all are the Redhat folks. So saying a > product that is released off Redhat's coattails is competing with > another product that is ALSO running off Red

Re: [CentOS] ClearOS rebuild

2011-06-03 Thread Mathieu Baudier
> If you want to get into the nitty gritty of it, the ONLY group of > people who deserve ANY credit at all are the Redhat folks. So saying a > product that is released off Redhat's coattails is competing with > another product that is ALSO running off Redhat's coattails is absurd. Maybe a little t

Re: [CentOS] ClearOS rebuild

2011-06-03 Thread Steven Crothers
On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 7:57 PM, Ian Murray wrote: > Thanks for the link. It makes interesting listening because there are claims > that they tried to engage with the CentOS devs to offer support and > resourcing, > but that relationship was not forthcoming... so they intend to build (as I see > i

Re: [CentOS] ClearOS rebuild

2011-06-02 Thread Les Mikesell
On 6/2/11 7:03 PM, Rob Kampen wrote: > Ian Murray wrote: >> >>> This week's FLOSS Weekly interview is about ClearOS (audio/video at >>> http://twit.tv/floss168). Apparently they have taken the CentOS developer's >>> frequently given advice to go away and do it yourself and will have a >>> 'ClearOS

Re: [CentOS] ClearOS rebuild

2011-06-02 Thread Rob Kampen
Ian Murray wrote: This week's FLOSS Weekly interview is about ClearOS (audio/video at http://twit.tv/floss168). Apparently they have taken the CentOS developer's frequently given advice to go away and do it yourself and will have a 'ClearOS core' release that is their own rebuild from

Re: [CentOS] ClearOS rebuild

2011-06-02 Thread Ian Murray
> > This week's FLOSS Weekly interview is about ClearOS (audio/video at > http://twit.tv/floss168). Apparently they have taken the CentOS > developer's frequently given advice to go away and do it yourself and > will have a 'ClearOS core' release that is their own rebuild from Red > Hat s