Re: [CentOS] Open Letter to Lance Davis

>-Original Message- >From: centos-boun...@centos.org [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On >Behalf Of Chan Chung Hang Christopher >Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2009 3:51 PM >To: CentOS mailing list >Subject: Re: [CentOS] Open Letter to Lance Davis > >> People look

Re: [CentOS] Open Letter to Lance Davis

On Fri, 31 Jul 2009 15:55:21 +0100 "Marcelo M. Garcia" wrote: > CentOS and Scientific Linux together would be like dream come true. Everyone has different dreams. :) -- Spiro Harvey Knossos Networks Ltd 021-295-1923www.knossos.net.nz signature.asc Descrip

Re: [CentOS] Open Letter to Lance Davis

On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 10:46 PM, Karanbir Singh wrote: > On 07/30/2009 06:34 AM, R P Herrold wrote: >> This is an Open Letter to Lance Davis from fellow CentOS Developers > > People looking for info about this and recent progress will find > relevant info being updated on http://www.centos.org/ as

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On Sat, 2009-08-01 at 21:50 +0800, Chan Chung Hang Christopher wrote: > Karanbir Singh wrote: [snip] > > People looking for info about this and recent progress will find > > relevant info being updated on http://www.centos.org/ as things develop. [snip] Can we drop this thread now? Please? Bo

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Kai Schaetzl napsal(a): > > I think these are fair questions, but a bit premature. Give the team time > to settle this, uhm, let's call it, mess. I'm sure once this matter is > resolved the team will also give more information about the new structure > and funding etc. Patience, folks! One thin

Re: [CentOS] Open Letter to Lance Davis

Karanbir Singh wrote: > On 07/30/2009 06:34 AM, R P Herrold wrote: > >> This is an Open Letter to Lance Davis from fellow CentOS Developers >> > > People looking for info about this and recent progress will find > relevant info being updated on http://www.centos.org/ as things develop. > >

Re: [CentOS] Open Letter to Lance Davis

On 07/30/2009 06:34 AM, R P Herrold wrote: > This is an Open Letter to Lance Davis from fellow CentOS Developers People looking for info about this and recent progress will find relevant info being updated on http://www.centos.org/ as things develop. -- Karanbir Singh : http://www.karan.org/ :

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On 07/31/2009 08:45 PM, James B. Byrne wrote: > What steps, if any, have been taken to establish > the CentOS project as a separate legal entity distinct from any > individual contributor? What protections are being put in place to > prevent future misappropriations of donations and advertising > r

Re: [CentOS] Open Letter to Lance Davis

On Fri, 2009-07-31 at 20:56 +0100, Ned Slider wrote: > Marcus Moeller wrote: > > Hi, > > > >>> My 'dream' OS has always been one where the base install was extremely > >>> minimal - just enough to install the rest over the network. Then there ... > > Sounds like all you folks need to get togethe

Re: [CentOS] Open Letter to Lance Davis

On Fri, 2009-07-31 at 13:55 -0500, Ron Blizzard wrote: > On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 1:12 PM, Marcus Moeller wrote: > > > > But please note: CentOS itself has a clear strategy which means > > upstream compatibility. Nothing more and nothing less. No focus on > > specialized systems (which does not mean

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> I'm already hearing > rumblings about risks from others in the company who don't know much > about the situation but know we are using Centos and saw a news posting > somewhere - and I suspect that is happening in every large company. No doubt. And if the people who mange the CentOS servers in t

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On 07/31/2009 08:56 PM, Ned Slider wrote: > Sounds like all you folks need to get together, start a "CentOS minimal > install CD" SIG and get on with it :) or a shared editor, and write a kickstart :) -- Karanbir Singh : http://www.karan.org/ : 2522...@icq __

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William L. Maltby wrote: > On Fri, 2009-07-31 at 15:01 -0500, Les Mikesell wrote: >> > >>> The idea of a minimal installation is interesting. Could this be done > > > In spite of the fact that all thse ideas for what the new CentOS org > could or would do, they really don't belong cluttering

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Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 8:59 AM, Craig White wrote: t> totally agree and just want to add one more thing...I am very happy to > see Johnny posting to this list. It has been a long time and I hope you > are well. +1 :-) I was planning to begin a new thread, "welcome back Johnny!" until I

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James B. Byrne wrote on Fri, 31 Jul 2009 15:45:21 -0400 (EDT): > However, having been bitten once, I feel that I must ask this more > formal question. What steps, if any, have been taken to establish > the CentOS project as a separate legal entity distinct from any > individual contributor? What

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On Fri, 2009-07-31 at 15:01 -0500, Les Mikesell wrote: > > > > > The idea of a minimal installation is interesting. Could this be done >Les Mikesell > lesmikes...@gmail.com In spite of the fact that all thse ideas for what the new CentOS org could or would do, they really don't belo

Re: [CentOS] Open Letter to Lance Davis

On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 2:45 PM, James B. Byrne wrote: > > However, having been bitten once, I feel that I must ask this more > formal question.  What steps, if any, have been taken to establish > the CentOS project as a separate legal entity distinct from any > individual contributor? What protect

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Marcelo M. Garcia wrote: > >> My 'dream' OS has always been one where the base install was extremely >> minimal - just enough to install the rest over the network. Then there >> would be a way that anyone could 'publish' their installed list of >> repositories and packages and anyone else coul

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Marcus Moeller wrote: > Hi, > >>> My 'dream' OS has always been one where the base install was extremely >>> minimal - just enough to install the rest over the network. Then there >>> would be a way that anyone could 'publish' their installed list of >>> repositories and packages and anyone else

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Beartooth wrote: > On Fri, 31 Jul 2009 10:36:51 -0500, Les Mikesell wrote: > [] >> My 'dream' OS has always been one where the base install was extremely >> minimal - just enough to install the rest over the network. Then there >> would be a way that anyone could 'publish' their install

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Since 2004 or so, I have donated each year to the CentOS project, at the requested rate, for each of our servers. While I never really gave the matter any thought (fool that I am) I presumed that any organisation that solicited funds would, at a minimum, be incorporated, have a board of directors,

Re: [CentOS] Open Letter to Lance Davis

On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 1:12 PM, Marcus Moeller wrote: > > But please note: CentOS itself has a clear strategy which means > upstream compatibility. Nothing more and nothing less. No focus on > specialized systems (which does not mean you can create a custom spin > for an specific purpose, e.g. a C

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Hi, >> My 'dream' OS has always been one where the base install was extremely >> minimal - just enough to install the rest over the network.  Then there >> would be a way that anyone could 'publish' their installed list of >> repositories and packages and anyone else could duplicate that machine's

Re: [CentOS] Open Letter to Lance Davis

On Fri, 2009-07-31 at 06:59 -0700, Craig White wrote: > On Thu, 2009-07-30 at 21:15 -0500, Johnny Hughes wrote: > > Akemi Yagi wrote: > > > On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 5:36 PM, Jim Perrin wrote: > > >> On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 6:47 PM, Johnny Hughes wrote: > > > > > >>> Why ... we are under no obligati

Re: [CentOS] Open Letter to Lance Davis

On Fri, 31 Jul 2009 10:36:51 -0500, Les Mikesell wrote: [] > My 'dream' OS has always been one where the base install was extremely > minimal - just enough to install the rest over the network. Then there > would be a way that anyone could 'publish' their installed list of > repositor

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Les Mikesell wrote: > Marcelo M. Garcia wrote: >> Connie Sieh wrote: Ralph Angenendt wrote: > Les Mikesell wrote: >> Has anyone considered joining forces with Scientific Linux to reduce the >> workload and give both a more robust infrastructure? > Yes, but the goals are rathe

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Marcelo M. Garcia wrote: > Connie Sieh wrote: >>> Ralph Angenendt wrote: Les Mikesell wrote: > Has anyone considered joining forces with Scientific Linux to reduce the > workload and give both a more robust infrastructure? Yes, but the goals are rather different. >>> I thought b

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Connie Sieh wrote: > > On Thu, 30 Jul 2009, Les Mikesell wrote: > >> Ralph Angenendt wrote: >>> Les Mikesell wrote: Has anyone considered joining forces with Scientific Linux to reduce the workload and give both a more robust infrastructure? >>> Yes, but the goals are rather different

Re: [CentOS] Open Letter to Lance Davis

On Thu, 2009-07-30 at 21:15 -0500, Johnny Hughes wrote: > Akemi Yagi wrote: > > On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 5:36 PM, Jim Perrin wrote: > >> On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 6:47 PM, Johnny Hughes wrote: > > > >>> Why ... we are under no obligation to tell people how how we spend > >>> monies. There are costs

Re: [CentOS] Open Letter to Lance Davis

In article <20090730170329.ge4...@roque.1407.org>, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: > If possible, maintain the centos name. > > Is there a .os tld? cent.os ? :) No: $ host -tns com. com name server g.gtld-servers.net. com name server h.gtld-servers.net. com name server i.gtld-servers.net. com na

Re: [CentOS] Open Letter to Lance Davis

On 07/31/2009 02:27 AM, Akemi Yagi wrote: >> I don't have any legal obligation to help old ladies cross the street, >> or rescue cats from trees. It's what you do because you're a good >> person. Doing this in a community sense is what makes you a good >> neighbor, and what helps build community re

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On Thu, 2009-07-30 at 20:36 -0400, Jim Perrin wrote: > Jim, you're spot-on with all that you posted. Since some don't seem to understand what I think you're leading to, I thought I would chime in. > It's not that we OWE the community anything. It's that we should do it > because it's how we wan

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Akemi Yagi wrote: > On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 5:36 PM, Jim Perrin wrote: >> On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 6:47 PM, Johnny Hughes wrote: > >>> Why ... we are under no obligation to tell people how how we spend >>> monies. There are costs that are incurred for any organization. We are >>> probably going t

Re: [CentOS] Open Letter to Lance Davis

On Thu, 30 Jul 2009, Rainer Duffner wrote: > Am 30.07.2009 um 23:32 schrieb Neil Aggarwal: > >>> http://dag.wieers.com/blog/the-burden-of-keeping-things-private >> >> That posting states: >> I heard some vague numbers, likely in the 4 digits EUR range >> per month but real figures are only known

Re: [CentOS] Open Letter to Lance Davis (FUD)

gt; From: centos-boun...@centos.org [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org]on > Behalf Of Akemi Yagi > Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 6:28 PM > To: CentOS mailing list > Subject: Re: [CentOS] Open Letter to Lance Davis > > > On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 5:36 PM, Jim Perrin wrote: > &

Re: [CentOS] Open Letter to Lance Davis

On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 5:36 PM, Jim Perrin wrote: > On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 6:47 PM, Johnny Hughes wrote: >> Why ... we are under no obligation to tell people how how we spend >> monies.  There are costs that are incurred for any organization.  We are >> probably going to disclose how monies are

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Ralph Angenendt wrote: > Rainer Duffner wrote: > >> "Don't cry over spit milk" >> > > I won't, especially when someone else spat it. > > Want to buy an 'l'? > > scnr, > > Ralph > ROTFLMAO ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://list

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Jim: > We're not under any obligation to tell people how the money gets > spent, but doing so certainly goes a long way building good will. In > my opinion, a simple 'We got X monies in donations which were used to > purchase dedicated hosting, bandwidth, and various novelties for booth > and show

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Johnny: > we are under no obligation to tell people how how > we spend monies This project asks for donations from the public. Implied in that request is that the money will be used to move the project forward and maybe reward the workers for their contributions. This situation seems like the m

Re: [CentOS] Open Letter to Lance Davis

On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 6:47 PM, Johnny Hughes wrote: >> The problem is this situation is erroding the trust >> in this project. This goes back to my original post in this thread about transparency in the project. I don't see it as erroding the trust, but it's not building any good will either.

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Neil Aggarwal wrote: >> Rip-off is a harsh word. > > Maybe, but it seems to accurately describe the > situation as it is coming out. This is potentially true, that some of the developers, who would use the money in question to attend meetings or obtain hardware or software (since we have never be

Re: [CentOS] Open Letter to Lance Davis

Am Freitag, den 31.07.2009, 00:08 +0200 schrieb Neil Aggarwal: > > Rip-off is a harsh word. > > Maybe, but it seems to accurately describe the > situation as it is coming out. > > > "Don't cry over spit milk" > > The problem is this situation is erroding the trust > in this project. > > To me, the

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> Rip-off is a harsh word. Maybe, but it seems to accurately describe the situation as it is coming out. > "Don't cry over spit milk" The problem is this situation is erroding the trust in this project. To me, the larger problem is the fact that the rest of the team kept it under wraps for

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Rainer Duffner wrote: > "Don't cry over spit milk" I won't, especially when someone else spat it. Want to buy an 'l'? scnr, Ralph pgpK4fRuvw3OQ.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/

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Am 30.07.2009 um 23:32 schrieb Neil Aggarwal: >> http://dag.wieers.com/blog/the-burden-of-keeping-things-private > > That posting states: > I heard some vague numbers, likely in the 4 digits EUR range > per month but real figures are only known by one person. > > For at least three years peopl

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On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 04:32:39PM -0500, Neil Aggarwal wrote: > > Can someone confirm this? Isn't that part of what this is all about? Lack of dilligence on financial disclosure? If anyone was able to confirm or deny the cited amount, or hell, *any* amount, wouldn't thi

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> http://dag.wieers.com/blog/the-burden-of-keeping-things-private That posting states: I heard some vague numbers, likely in the 4 digits EUR range per month but real figures are only known by one person. For at least three years people were donating money and sponsors were paying for web

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On Thu, 30 Jul 2009 22:31:21 +0200 Kai Schaetzl took out a #2 pencil and scribbled: > applause and kudos to the team! I won't say more, a lot has been > said already. I just hope that everything can be sorted out in a > manner that doesn't crash too many porcelain and makes all > involved parties

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applause and kudos to the team! I won't say more, a lot has been said already. I just hope that everything can be sorted out in a manner that doesn't crash too many porcelain and makes all involved parties comfortable in the end. Kai -- Kai Schätzl, Berlin, Germany Get your web at Conactive I

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Karanbir Singh wrote: > > However, the one thing that most people seem to be moving on already is > the assumption that CentOS is about to go away - which isnt correct at > all. For the users, we will make sure that there is as little an impact > as possible. As a user, I've appreciated the lon

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On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 2:40 PM, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: > On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 08:29:14PM +0200, Ralph Angenendt wrote: >> Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: >> > Actually, the most simple explanation would be that he got terribly ill >> > or even dead. >> >> This has been completely ruled o

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On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 08:29:14PM +0200, Ralph Angenendt wrote: > Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: > > Actually, the most simple explanation would be that he got terribly ill > > or even dead. > > This has been completely ruled out. We wouldn't have written an open > letter, then. Ok, best of luck

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hi Connie, On 07/30/2009 07:56 PM, Connie Sieh wrote: >>> Yes, but the goals are rather different. > > Not really. Both rebuild RHEL releases. Scientific Linux adds a few > things and changes a few things. We also make Scientific Linux Fermi > which takes Scientific Linux and adds a few things

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On Thu, 30 Jul 2009, Les Mikesell wrote: > Ralph Angenendt wrote: >> Les Mikesell wrote: >>> Has anyone considered joining forces with Scientific Linux to reduce the >>> workload and give both a more robust infrastructure? >> >> Yes, but the goals are rather different. > > I thought both had u

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Ralph Angenendt wrote: > Les Mikesell wrote: >> Has anyone considered joining forces with Scientific Linux to reduce the >> workload and give both a more robust infrastructure? > > Yes, but the goals are rather different. I thought both had upstream compatibility as the main goal - and both s

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On Thu, 30 Jul 2009, Ray Van Dolson wrote: > On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 08:26:37PM +0200, Ralph Angenendt wrote: >> Les Mikesell wrote: >>> Has anyone considered joining forces with Scientific Linux to reduce the >>> workload and give both a more robust infrastructure? >> >> Yes, but the goals ar

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On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 1:26 PM, Ralph Angenendt wrote: > Les Mikesell wrote: >> Has anyone considered joining forces with Scientific Linux to reduce the >>   workload and give both a more robust infrastructure? > > Yes, but the goals are rather different. What is the most significant difference i

Re: [CentOS] Open Letter to Lance Davis

On Thu, 30 Jul 2009, Les Mikesell wrote: > R P Herrold wrote: >> On Thu, 30 Jul 2009, Monty Shinn wrote: >> >>> To those that have been able to donate money, I would like to say thank >>> you. The project is still alive, so the money must have been used to >>> some extent to support the project

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Lots of speculation where little is known. It'd be best to let the team do their thing and not stress. Flooding their channels with concern only makes their jobs harder. It'd be best to hang back, wait to see what happens, and then jump at any opportunity to help when *requested* by the

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On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 08:26:37PM +0200, Ralph Angenendt wrote: > Les Mikesell wrote: > > Has anyone considered joining forces with Scientific Linux to reduce the > > workload and give both a more robust infrastructure? > > Yes, but the goals are rather different. It'd almost be nice to go un

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R P Herrold wrote: > On Thu, 30 Jul 2009, Monty Shinn wrote: > >> To those that have been able to donate money, I would like to say thank >> you. The project is still alive, so the money must have been used to >> some extent to support the project. > > An accounting would answer that question, w

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> > The letter was done in the fashion it was in sorrow, and not > in anger, as my blog post noted. We remain hopeful that > lance will step up to doing the right thing vis-a-vis the > project as to the mentioned items. > > -- Russ herrold Russ, of course... :-( there is no doubt in my

[CentOS] Open Letter to Lance Davis

On Thu, 30 Jul 2009, Jason Pyeron wrote: > As I have said before, I have experience in this matter and we have a current > relationship with tucows. Would the team like our help? We can't and won't > unless asked. The letter was done in the fashion it was in sorrow, and not in anger, as my blog

[CentOS] Open Letter to Lance Davis

On Thu, 30 Jul 2009, Timo Schoeler wrote: > BTW: cent-os.org was just being registered: The signers of the letter have the needed domain trifecta's locked up already. -- Russ herrold ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/ma

[CentOS] Open Letter to Lance Davis

On Thu, 30 Jul 2009, Monty Shinn wrote: > To those that have been able to donate money, I would like to say thank > you. The project is still alive, so the money must have been used to > some extent to support the project. An accounting would answer that question, wouldn't it? As the advertisem

Re: [CentOS] Open Letter to Lance Davis

> -Original Message- > From: centos-boun...@centos.org > [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On Behalf Of Rui Miguel > Silva Seabra > Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 12:55 > To: centos@centos.org > Subject: Re: [CentOS] Open Letter to Lance Davis > > On Thu,

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On 07/30/2009 07:26 PM, thus Robert spake: > some recent comments & speculation border on slander. > > slander is simply anything that can lower one's view of a person in > another's eye. > > the centos team has already done this, yet may i suggest to all that it > would be best to give Mr Davis

[CentOS] Open Letter to Lance Davis

On Thu, 30 Jul 2009, Craig White wrote: > Perhaps you can just say to Lance, thanks and keep whatever money, just > turn over the domain name and then you can get your own paypal & adsense > accounts. * chuckle * I will sell you this toll bridge for a great price -- want to know how much it is

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some recent comments & speculation border on slander. slander is simply anything that can lower one's view of a person in another's eye. the centos team has already done this, yet may i suggest to all that it would be best to give Mr Davis every possible benefit of the doubt. ...and "no matter

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If possible, maintain the centos name. Is there a .os tld? cent.os ? :) Rui On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 12:57:48PM -0400, John Plemons wrote: > *ReCentOS* would work.. *_Re_*introducing _*CentOS*_ > > john plemons > > > Garry.Dale wrote: >> On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 7:34 AM, Jim Perrin wrote: >> >

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*ReCentOS* would work.. *_Re_*introducing _*CentOS*_ john plemons Garry.Dale wrote: On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 7:34 AM, Jim Perrin wrote: I'd personally like to hear what the community has to say about this, as it's not just an internal matter. Please speak up so that we know where the commu

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On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 11:51:19AM -0500, Garry.Dale wrote: > On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 7:34 AM, Jim Perrin wrote: > > I'd personally like to hear what the community has to say about this, > > as it's not just an internal matter. Please speak up so that we know > > where the community stands on this.

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On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 7:34 AM, Jim Perrin wrote: > I'd personally like to hear what the community has to say about this, > as it's not just an internal matter. Please speak up so that we know > where the community stands on this. I'd rather be wrong, but know how > people feel than take a stand f

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Sounds to me like Lance, as many in the world, is under heavy financial duress. I would venture to say that sometime in the past he started borrowing some incoming monies. And then eventually got caught up in it and could not face the music. I would say, dev team, time to go to plan b with a new

Re: [CentOS] Open Letter to Lance Davis

Craig White schrieb: > On Thu, 2009-07-30 at 16:18 +0200, Rainer Duffner wrote: > >> Craig White schrieb: >> >>> Perhaps you can just say to Lance, thanks and keep whatever money, just >>> turn over the domain name and then you can get your own paypal & adsense >>> accounts. >>> >>> >>>

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On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 07:41:29AM -0700, Craig White wrote: > On Thu, 2009-07-30 at 16:18 +0200, Rainer Duffner wrote: > > Craig White schrieb: > > > > > > Perhaps you can just say to Lance, thanks and keep whatever money, just > > > turn over the domain name and then you can get your own paypal &

Re: [CentOS] Open Letter to Lance Davis

On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 10:44:54AM -0400, Robert Heller wrote: > At Thu, 30 Jul 2009 16:24:04 +0200 CentOS mailing list > wrote: > > > > > Just to clear on thing up. We tried to contact Lance multiple times > > over a period of more then a year. We have giving him, behind the > > scenes, ample

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On Thu, 2009-07-30 at 16:18 +0200, Rainer Duffner wrote: > Craig White schrieb: > > > > Perhaps you can just say to Lance, thanks and keep whatever money, just > > turn over the domain name and then you can get your own paypal & adsense > > accounts. > > > > > > > I suspect this is exactly wha

Re: [CentOS] Open Letter to Lance Davis

At Thu, 30 Jul 2009 16:24:04 +0200 CentOS mailing list wrote: > > Just to clear on thing up. We tried to contact Lance multiple times > over a period of more then a year. We have giving him, behind the > scenes, ample time to reply and come clean. This has not happened and > that is why we fina

Re: [CentOS] Open Letter to Lance Davis

Just to clear on thing up. We tried to contact Lance multiple times over a period of more then a year. We have giving him, behind the scenes, ample time to reply and come clean. This has not happened and that is why we finally after trying to solve it in private for so long decided to go public. He

Re: [CentOS] Open Letter to Lance Davis

> -Original Message- > From: centos-boun...@centos.org > [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On Behalf Of Monty Shinn > Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 10:11 > To: CentOS mailing list > Subject: Re: [CentOS] Open Letter to Lance Davis > > Craig White wrote: >

Re: [CentOS] Open Letter to Lance Davis

Craig White schrieb: > > Perhaps you can just say to Lance, thanks and keep whatever money, just > turn over the domain name and then you can get your own paypal & adsense > accounts. > > I suspect this is exactly what they are trying to do. Does anybody know where he lives? Can somebody from

Re: [CentOS] Open Letter to Lance Davis

Craig White wrote: > On Thu, 2009-07-30 at 14:49 +0200, Tim Verhoeven wrote: >> If people want more background information, please read the blogs of >> some of the developers available at : >> >> http://planet.centos.org/ >> >> That should give everyone a idea of what has happened and where the >>

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On Thu, 2009-07-30 at 14:49 +0200, Tim Verhoeven wrote: > If people want more background information, please read the blogs of > some of the developers available at : > > http://planet.centos.org/ > > That should give everyone a idea of what has happened and where the > problems are according to

Re: [CentOS] Open Letter to Lance Davis

On 07/30/2009 02:34 PM, Jim Perrin wrote: > I'd personally like to hear what the community has to say about this, > as it's not just an internal matter. Please speak up so that we know > where the community stands on this. I'd rather be wrong, but know how > people feel than take a stand for a comm

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Has Lance responded at all? If he's disappeared, what's involved in moving the infrastructure? Have any ideas for a new domain been investigated? Presumably you need to build a new charter that doesn't have the weaknesses of the old. How would that work? Will you be modeling the organization af

Re: [CentOS] Open Letter to Lance Davis

If people want more background information, please read the blogs of some of the developers available at : http://planet.centos.org/ That should give everyone a idea of what has happened and where the problems are according to us. But like Jim said, let us know what you feel is important for you.

Re: [CentOS] Open Letter to Lance Davis

One of the criticisms I hear the most often about centos is the lack of transparency. This is one of the things that most of ( I can't speak for everyone) the devs agree with, and are working to fix. If you donate to centos you have a right to know how that money is being used. The donations shoul

[CentOS] Open Letter to Lance Davis

I seem to be having network and email issues tonight; please excuse any duplication -- Russ herrold -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 HTML dump on Thu Jul 30 00:30:33 EDT 2009 http://www.centos.org/ Open Letter to Lance Davis July 30, 2009 04:39 UTC This is an