Re: [CentOS] Dell Equallogic

2009-10-14 Thread Pasi Kärkkäinen
On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 08:55:16PM +0200, rai...@ultra-secure.de wrote: > > nate wrote: > > if you have a SAN that supports logical volumes that have snapshot and > > grow and such, I'm not sure why you'd bother with LVM on top of that, it > > would just further obfuscate things. > > > And how do

Re: [CentOS] Dell Equallogic

2009-10-14 Thread nate
Ray Van Dolson wrote: > Couldn't you accomplish this with the "alias" parameter in your > multipath.conf file per LUN? We have this set up here so there's a > /dev/mpath/ based on the WWID. I suppose I could, I recall the friendly name thing a while ago, it seemed more complicated than using LVM

Re: [CentOS] Dell Equallogic

2009-10-14 Thread Eugene Vilensky
> > And how do you grow a filesystem without LVM? > Online? It certainly is not easy! http://www.redhat.com/docs/en-US/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux/html/Online_Storage_Reconfiguration_Guide/index.html Here's hoping for an integrated solution in EL6, but from the looks of Fedora, it's not likely is it

Re: [CentOS] Dell Equallogic

2009-10-14 Thread rainer
> nate wrote: > if you have a SAN that supports logical volumes that have snapshot and > grow and such, I'm not sure why you'd bother with LVM on top of that, it > would just further obfuscate things. And how do you grow a filesystem without LVM? Online? _

Re: [CentOS] Dell Equallogic

2009-10-14 Thread Ray Van Dolson
On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 11:22:36AM -0700, nate wrote: > John R Pierce wrote: > > > if you have a SAN that supports logical volumes that have snapshot and > > grow and such, I'm not sure why you'd bother with LVM on top of that, it > > would just further obfuscate things. > > Makes life easier for

Re: [CentOS] Dell Equallogic

2009-10-14 Thread nate
John R Pierce wrote: > if you have a SAN that supports logical volumes that have snapshot and > grow and such, I'm not sure why you'd bother with LVM on top of that, it > would just further obfuscate things. Makes life easier for me when using MPIO, auto detection of the volume no matter what pat

Re: [CentOS] Dell Equallogic

2009-10-14 Thread Pasi Kärkkäinen
On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 10:52:19AM -0700, nate wrote: > James A. Peltier wrote: > > > Mounting a snapshot requires the generation of a new UUID for the file > > system in order to be able to use it. Perhaps this is a XFS limitation, > > but unlike ZFS they aren't immediately available. We need t

Re: [CentOS] Dell Equallogic

2009-10-14 Thread Pasi Kärkkäinen
On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 12:39:54PM -0500, Eugene Vilensky wrote: > On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 12:36 PM, James A. Peltier > wrote: > > They take up 16MB  of space regardless of the amount of data that changes. A > > single bit changes and 16MB is taken up.  This is not tunable. > > I know they run L

Re: [CentOS] Dell Equallogic

2009-10-14 Thread Pasi Kärkkäinen
On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 10:36:01AM -0700, James A. Peltier wrote: > On Tue, 13 Oct 2009, Pasi Kärkkäinen wrote: > > > > >Hmm.. what kind of problems do you have with snapshots? > > Let's see > > They take up 16MB of space regardless of the amount of data that changes. > A single bit changes an

Re: [CentOS] Dell Equallogic

2009-10-14 Thread John R Pierce
nate wrote: > Another side effect of snapshots and using LVM for example(applies > to any vendor's block based snapshots), is you can't easily take > a snapshot of an LVM-based file system, then mount that snapshot > on the same system, LVM will bitch. if you have a SAN that supports logical vol

Re: [CentOS] Dell Equallogic

2009-10-14 Thread nate
James A. Peltier wrote: > Mounting a snapshot requires the generation of a new UUID for the file > system in order to be able to use it. Perhaps this is a XFS limitation, > but unlike ZFS they aren't immediately available. We need to perform this > action extensively to backup file systems and a

Re: [CentOS] Dell Equallogic

2009-10-14 Thread Eugene Vilensky
On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 12:36 PM, James A. Peltier wrote: > They take up 16MB  of space regardless of the amount of data that changes. A > single bit changes and 16MB is taken up.  This is not tunable. I know they run Linux but is the internal file system some secret sauce or did they just slap t

Re: [CentOS] Dell Equallogic

2009-10-14 Thread James A. Peltier
On Tue, 13 Oct 2009, Pasi Kärkkäinen wrote: Hmm.. what kind of problems do you have with snapshots? Let's see They take up 16MB of space regardless of the amount of data that changes. A single bit changes and 16MB is taken up. This is not tunable. Mounting a snapshot requires the genera

Re: [CentOS] Dell Equallogic

2009-10-13 Thread Pasi Kärkkäinen
On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 07:04:21PM -0500, Eugene Vilensky wrote: > Hi List, > > Does anyone here use Dell Equallogic IP SAN? If so, do you have any > immediate high points / low points you wouldn't mind discussing on- or > off-list ? > Yep, I've been using Equallogic iSCSI arrays with Linux/RHE

Re: [CentOS] Dell Equallogic

2009-10-13 Thread Pasi Kärkkäinen
On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 06:44:55PM -0700, James A. Peltier wrote: > On Mon, 12 Oct 2009, Eugene Vilensky wrote: > > > Hi List, > > > > Does anyone here use Dell Equallogic IP SAN? If so, do you have any > > immediate high points / low points you wouldn't mind discussing on- or > > off-list ? > >

Re: [CentOS] Dell Equallogic

2009-10-12 Thread Andrew Cotter
We use a pair for production and DR. Email me off list and I would be glad to discuss. Andrew --Original Message-- From: Eugene Vilensky Sender: centos-boun...@centos.org To: CentOS mailing list ReplyTo: CentOS mailing list Subject: [CentOS] Dell Equallogic Sent: Oct 12, 2009 8:04 PM

Re: [CentOS] Dell Equallogic

2009-10-12 Thread James A. Peltier
On Mon, 12 Oct 2009, Eugene Vilensky wrote: > Hi List, > > Does anyone here use Dell Equallogic IP SAN? If so, do you have any > immediate high points / low points you wouldn't mind discussing on- or > off-list ? > Yes, it works fine, however, we don't use the snapshot capability of the system

[CentOS] Dell Equallogic

2009-10-12 Thread Eugene Vilensky
Hi List, Does anyone here use Dell Equallogic IP SAN? If so, do you have any immediate high points / low points you wouldn't mind discussing on- or off-list ? Thanks. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/ce