Re: [CentOS] CentOS for non-tech user

2009-10-09 Thread Matt
>>> Thats my thought as well.  Ubuntu desktop and CentOS for servers. >>> Just wandering if anyone is using the 'Ubuntu Server Edition's'?  They >>> seem appealing but CentOS is what I am used too on servers now. >>> Thought about loading it up on a box to just try though. >> >> Not using, but I've

Re: [CentOS] CentOS for non-tech user

2009-10-07 Thread Niki Kovacs
Florin Andrei a écrit : > > I keep an eye on a Kawasaki forum, and they have a knack for doing a lot > of Suzuki bashing. I'm, like, "WTF, they're all awesome sportbikes!" :-) > > Same here. In the end, Linux is the same Right. Got fifteen Hondas and one Yamaha before finally settling for an o

Re: [CentOS] CentOS for non-tech user

2009-10-07 Thread Niki Kovacs
Les Mikesell a écrit : > But that means you have to wait many years for new features - that you > probably > want in rapidly developing desktop apps. > One new set of desktop applications about every two years suits me perfectly[1]. Lately I only needed a more recent version of Open Office t

Re: [CentOS] CentOS for non-tech user

2009-10-07 Thread m . roth
> m.r...@5-cent.us a écrit : > >> I also have CentOS at home. There are quirks, though: for example, I >> tried to run kaffeine last night, and it couldn't find libkaffeinepart.so. I >> tried adding /opt/kde3/lib to LD_LIBRARY_PATH, to LOAD_LIB, >> and even did an ldconfig, and it *still* can't fin

Re: [CentOS] CentOS for non-tech user

2009-10-01 Thread Geoff Galitz
> > On 09/29/2009 09:21 AM, Geoff Galitz wrote: > > Ubuntu has the LTS releases, which are long term stable releases. They > are > > supported for five years after release. > > you might want to look into exactly what is ubuntu-support and how that > compares with what you get with CentOS. Its n

Re: [CentOS] CentOS for non-tech user

2009-09-30 Thread Ron Blizzard
On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 3:41 PM, Marcelo M. Garcia > The reason for Ubuntu in the laptop is simply because CentOS didn't work >  very well. I followed the wiki about XPS M1530[1] and everything > almost work. At the office one of the developers uses a Dell Precision > laptop with RHEL 5.3 (it came

Re: [CentOS] CentOS for non-tech user

2009-09-30 Thread Robert Heller
At Wed, 30 Sep 2009 21:41:48 +0100 CentOS mailing list wrote: > > Sorin Srbu wrote: > >>> HTH. > >> Hi Sorin > >> > >> You can "sudo bash" and you will have a root terminal. In it, you can > >> set the root password for root. > > > > Yupp, as I said, at the time I was testing Ubuntu, I was rat

Re: [CentOS] CentOS for non-tech user

2009-09-30 Thread Marcelo M. Garcia
Sorin Srbu wrote: >>> HTH. >> Hi Sorin >> >> You can "sudo bash" and you will have a root terminal. In it, you can >> set the root password for root. > > Yupp, as I said, at the time I was testing Ubuntu, I was rather green and > didn't know about those little tricks. Now is a another matter, but

Re: [CentOS] CentOS for non-tech user

2009-09-30 Thread Marcelo M. Garcia
Christopher Chan wrote: >> And I can't believe I just write that...! I sound like a linux >> die-hard... >> > Just try Solaris or FreeBSD then. That should make you a Linux die-hard. :-D Oh yes. I tried Opensolaris for a while and now I'm more convinced of Linux than ever. mg. __

Re: [CentOS] CentOS for non-tech user

2009-09-30 Thread Les Mikesell
Karanbir Singh wrote: > On 09/30/2009 02:11 PM, Les Mikesell wrote: >>> Solution: stick with CentOS, rock-solid and *real* LTS. >> But that means you have to wait many years for new features - that you >> probably >> want in rapidly developing desktop apps. > > thats not always true - it is to so

Re: [CentOS] CentOS for non-tech user

2009-09-30 Thread Karanbir Singh
On 09/30/2009 02:11 PM, Les Mikesell wrote: >> Solution: stick with CentOS, rock-solid and *real* LTS. > > But that means you have to wait many years for new features - that you > probably > want in rapidly developing desktop apps. thats not always true - it is to some extent though. And the 'lon

Re: [CentOS] CentOS for non-tech user

2009-09-30 Thread Les Mikesell
Niki Kovacs wrote: > Geoff Galitz a écrit : > >> Ubuntu has the LTS releases, which are long term stable releases. They are >> supported for five years after release. >> > Ubuntu Long Term Support is three years for desktops and five for servers. > > In the last LTS version (8.04), half of the au

Re: [CentOS] CentOS for non-tech user

2009-09-30 Thread Karanbir Singh
On 09/29/2009 06:38 PM, Florin Andrei wrote: > I agree with your assessment that Red Hat& Co are still The > Distribution for enterprise stuff. Where Enterprise Stuff == 'Stable computing where you can focus on doing things with your computer and know that when you want to, it will be there - h

Re: [CentOS] CentOS for non-tech user

2009-09-30 Thread Karanbir Singh
On 09/29/2009 06:21 PM, Drew wrote: > Websites for example > have moved from static html on the arpanet& university sites to the > rich multimedia content we see today. Back then the idea of a website > infecting a computer was unheard of. For completelness sake - website content hasent changed

Re: [CentOS] CentOS for non-tech user

2009-09-30 Thread Sorin Srbu
>-Original Message- >From: centos-boun...@centos.org [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On Behalf >Of Christopher Chan >Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 9:42 AM >To: CentOS mailing list >Subject: Re: [CentOS] CentOS for non-tech user > >> Yupp, as I said

Re: [CentOS] CentOS for non-tech user

2009-09-30 Thread Christopher Chan
Sorin Srbu wrote: >> -Original Message- >> From: centos-boun...@centos.org [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On >> > Behalf > >> Of Marcelo M. Garcia >> Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 10:36 PM >> To: CentOS mailing list >>

Re: [CentOS] CentOS for non-tech user

2009-09-29 Thread Sorin Srbu
>-Original Message- >From: centos-boun...@centos.org [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On Behalf >Of Marcelo M. Garcia >Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 10:36 PM >To: CentOS mailing list >Subject: Re: [CentOS] CentOS for non-tech user > >> Not using,

Re: [CentOS] CentOS for non-tech user

2009-09-29 Thread Lanny Marcus
On 9/25/09, Anne Wilson wrote: > On Friday 25 September 2009 17:02:24 Lanny Marcus wrote: >> On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 4:11 AM, Anne Wilson > wrote: >> > I'm thinking of giving CentOS to a non-tech user for her new desktop. >> > He >> > needs are small. She has been used to Mozilla for both mail a

Re: [CentOS] CentOS for non-tech user

2009-09-29 Thread Ron Blizzard
On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 3:09 PM, Tait Clarridge wrote: > CentOS is great for server use and if you want to learn CentOS for use > as a server, Fedora is a great place to start because they are both > redhat based. Chances are that if you got something to work in Fedora, > you can get it to work i

Re: [CentOS] CentOS for non-tech user

2009-09-29 Thread Ron Blizzard
On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 2:55 PM, Les Mikesell wrote: > Fedora has the advantage to a RHEL/CentOS user of having the same > install/admin tools.  But if you are turning the box over to someone > else, Ubuntu makes much more of an effort to be user friendly.  And they > haven't been quite so bad as

Re: [CentOS] CentOS for non-tech user

2009-09-29 Thread Ron Blizzard
On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 3:05 PM, Alan McKay wrote: > On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 3:48 PM, Ron Blizzard wrote: >> I like stability over "cutting edge," so CentOS (with multimedia from >> RPMForge) > > What are the details on MM from RPMForge? > > If I could get my MM working I'd be happy.   I like sta

Re: [CentOS] CentOS for non-tech user

2009-09-29 Thread Christopher Chan
9 11:29 PM >>> To: CentOS mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [CentOS] CentOS for non-tech user >>> >>> Thats my thought as well. Ubuntu desktop and CentOS for servers. >>> Just wandering if anyone is using the 'Ubuntu Server Edition's'? They >

Re: [CentOS] CentOS for non-tech user

2009-09-29 Thread Les Mikesell
Drew wrote: >> Not quite. It is more a matter of a standard only being useful if >> everyone does what it says. Picking a new location that no one >> currently uses is always the worst possible choice. > > So are revolutions but those seem to work well on occasion. :-) Only for the survivors.

Re: [CentOS] CentOS for non-tech user

2009-09-29 Thread Drew
> Not quite.  It is more a matter of a standard only being useful if > everyone does what it says.  Picking a new location that no one > currently uses is always the worst possible choice. So are revolutions but those seem to work well on occasion. :-) >> My argument is that those same Unix admi

Re: [CentOS] CentOS for non-tech user

2009-09-29 Thread Marcelo M. Garcia
Sorin Srbu wrote: >> -Original Message- >> From: centos-boun...@centos.org [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On > Behalf >> Of Matt >> Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 11:29 PM >> To: CentOS mailing list >> Subject: Re: [CentOS] CentOS for non-t

Re: [CentOS] CentOS for non-tech user

2009-09-29 Thread Tait Clarridge
On Tue, 2009-09-29 at 16:14 -0400, Alan McKay wrote: > > I am not an Ubuntu basher, but I felt it was babying me a little too > > much. > > Hmmm, maybe that's what I should put on my wife's laptop :-) > > I already know Linux very well - been a UNIX geek for over 20 years, > and Linux geek for ge

Re: [CentOS] CentOS for non-tech user

2009-09-29 Thread Rob Kampen
Alan McKay wrote: On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 3:48 PM, Ron Blizzard wrote: I like stability over "cutting edge," so CentOS (with multimedia from RPMForge) What are the details on MM from RPMForge? If I could get my MM working I'd be happy. I like stability too, which is why I use it o

Re: [CentOS] CentOS for non-tech user

2009-09-29 Thread Alan McKay
> I am not an Ubuntu basher, but I felt it was babying me a little too > much. Hmmm, maybe that's what I should put on my wife's laptop :-) I already know Linux very well - been a UNIX geek for over 20 years, and Linux geek for getting on 10 now. And I still get frustrated with how difficult it

Re: [CentOS] CentOS for non-tech user

2009-09-29 Thread Tait Clarridge
On Tue, 2009-09-29 at 15:38 -0400, Alan McKay wrote: > I've been generally unhappy with my CentOS desktop both at home and at > work, when it comes to thinks like sound and video. > > I'd recommend going with Fedora Core, to be honest. Much as I love > CentOS on my servers. > > This is more a

Re: [CentOS] CentOS for non-tech user

2009-09-29 Thread Alan McKay
On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 3:48 PM, Ron Blizzard wrote: > I like stability over "cutting edge," so CentOS (with multimedia from > RPMForge) What are the details on MM from RPMForge? If I could get my MM working I'd be happy. I like stability too, which is why I use it on my servers. But for des

Re: [CentOS] CentOS for non-tech user

2009-09-29 Thread Les Mikesell
Ron Blizzard wrote: > >> I've been generally unhappy with my CentOS desktop both at home and at >> work, when it comes to thinks like sound and video. >> >> I'd recommend going with Fedora Core, to be honest. Much as I love >> CentOS on my servers. > > I like stability over "cutting edge," so C

Re: [CentOS] CentOS for non-tech user

2009-09-29 Thread Ron Blizzard
On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 2:38 PM, Alan McKay wrote: > I've been generally unhappy with my CentOS desktop both at home and at > work, when it comes to thinks like sound and video. > > I'd recommend going with Fedora Core, to be honest.   Much as I love > CentOS on my servers. I like stability over

Re: [CentOS] CentOS for non-tech user

2009-09-29 Thread Alan McKay
I've been generally unhappy with my CentOS desktop both at home and at work, when it comes to thinks like sound and video. I'd recommend going with Fedora Core, to be honest. Much as I love CentOS on my servers. -- “Don't eat anything you've ever seen advertised on TV” - Michael Po

Re: [CentOS] CentOS for non-tech user

2009-09-29 Thread Les Mikesell
Drew wrote: > The argument you're expressing, as I see it, is that there is really > no difference whether or not the files are stored in /var or /srv > because in the end they're bits on a disk so where in the file system > they end up doesn't matter. /var was chosen years ago by Unix admins > so

Re: [CentOS] CentOS for non-tech user

2009-09-29 Thread Ron Blizzard
On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 12:49 PM, Les Mikesell wrote: > Yes, keep in mind that it took many years for Red Hat to get it right > (or what they think is right) and when they did, they stopped > distributing the binaries for free.  Ubuntu should be getting pretty > close to having the support experi

Re: [CentOS] CentOS for non-tech user

2009-09-29 Thread Drew
The argument you're expressing, as I see it, is that there is really no difference whether or not the files are stored in /var or /srv because in the end they're bits on a disk so where in the file system they end up doesn't matter. /var was chosen years ago by Unix admins so why change it to /srv?

Re: [CentOS] CentOS for non-tech user

2009-09-29 Thread Florin Andrei
Max Hetrick wrote: > > the zealots Nah, it's just the way the human mind works, according to its current blueprint. It can be pretty awesome in what it can do sometimes, but it does have obvious fundamental flaws too. You and I have biases too, but nobody is aware of their own. :) -- Florin

Re: [CentOS] CentOS for non-tech user

2009-09-29 Thread Les Mikesell
Florin Andrei wrote: > Karanbir Singh wrote: >> you might want to look into exactly what is ubuntu-support and how that >> compares with what you get with CentOS. Its not nearly the same thing. >> To an extent that LTS is mostly considered a nonstarter in most > very >> small business. Specially

Re: [CentOS] CentOS for non-tech user

2009-09-29 Thread Max Hetrick
Florin Andrei wrote: > Well, it's the group bias. > > I keep an eye on a Kawasaki forum, and they have a knack for doing a lot > of Suzuki bashing. I'm, like, "WTF, they're all awesome sportbikes!" :-) > > Same here. In the end, Linux is the same, just different flavors for > different tastes.

Re: [CentOS] CentOS for non-tech user

2009-09-29 Thread Les Mikesell
Drew wrote: >> Not likely... Storage paths are all arbitrary and if a standard has to >> make up a new location that breaks existing concepts they've already >> done something wrong. > > Times change. What worked well on Unix 20-30 years ago isn't > necessarily the best way of doing things today.

Re: [CentOS] CentOS for non-tech user

2009-09-29 Thread Florin Andrei
Karanbir Singh wrote: > > you might want to look into exactly what is ubuntu-support and how that > compares with what you get with CentOS. Its not nearly the same thing. > To an extent that LTS is mostly considered a nonstarter in most > very > small business. Specially where the client is in

Re: [CentOS] CentOS for non-tech user

2009-09-29 Thread Florin Andrei
Geoff Galitz wrote: > > Perhaps it is getting trendy to beat up on non-Centos distros here on the > Centos list? Well, it's the group bias. I keep an eye on a Kawasaki forum, and they have a knack for doing a lot of Suzuki bashing. I'm, like, "WTF, they're all awesome sportbikes!" :-) Same her

Re: [CentOS] CentOS for non-tech user

2009-09-29 Thread Florin Andrei
Matt wrote: > > Just wandering if anyone is using the 'Ubuntu Server Edition's'? On a whim, I installed it on my home mail/web/* server. It was due for an upgrade anyway. So far, so good. Running a boatload of services (low load though), no crashes, solid. The "Ubuntu experience" is the same.

Re: [CentOS] CentOS for non-tech user

2009-09-29 Thread Drew
> Not likely...  Storage paths are all arbitrary and if a standard has to > make up a new location that breaks existing concepts they've already > done something wrong. Times change. What worked well on Unix 20-30 years ago isn't necessarily the best way of doing things today. Websites for example

Re: [CentOS] CentOS for non-tech user

2009-09-29 Thread Chan Chung Hang Christopher
Niki Kovacs wrote: > Geoff Galitz a écrit : > > >> Ubuntu has the LTS releases, which are long term stable releases. They are >> supported for five years after release. >> >> > Ubuntu Long Term Support is three years for desktops and five for servers. > > In the last LTS version (8.04), hal

Re: [CentOS] CentOS for non-tech user

2009-09-29 Thread m . roth
> m.r...@5-cent.us a écrit : > >> I also have CentOS at home. There are quirks, though: for example, I >> tried to run kaffeine last night, and it couldn't find libkaffeinepart.so. >> I tried adding /opt/kde3/lib to LD_LIBRARY_PATH, to LOAD_LIB, >> and even did an ldconfig, and it *still* can't fin

Re: [CentOS] CentOS for non-tech user

2009-09-29 Thread Les Mikesell
Karanbir Singh wrote: > On 09/27/2009 02:57 PM, Drew wrote: >> That's the rule of thumb I see applied to what goes in /srv. In a LAMP >> box for example I'd expect to see the website(and site logs), database >> files, and POP3/IMAP spools stored in srv directories. Machine >> specific data like sys

Re: [CentOS] CentOS for non-tech user

2009-09-29 Thread Niki Kovacs
m.r...@5-cent.us a écrit : > I also have CentOS at home. There are quirks, though: for example, I tried > to run kaffeine last night, and it couldn't find libkaffeinepart.so. I > tried adding /opt/kde3/lib to LD_LIBRARY_PATH, to LOAD_LIB, and > even did an ldconfig, and it *still* can't find it (I

Re: [CentOS] CentOS for non-tech user

2009-09-29 Thread m . roth
> At Mon, 28 Sep 2009 16:29:12 -0500 CentOS mailing list > wrote: > >> > CentOS as a desktop system (or laptop) is perfectly fine, *even for > non-techies*, which would most of the users at the local library. I > guess the only issue would be in terms of support for really new > hardware (which

Re: [CentOS] CentOS for non-tech user

2009-09-29 Thread Karanbir Singh
On 09/29/2009 09:21 AM, Geoff Galitz wrote: > Ubuntu has the LTS releases, which are long term stable releases. They are > supported for five years after release. you might want to look into exactly what is ubuntu-support and how that compares with what you get with CentOS. Its not nearly the sam

Re: [CentOS] CentOS for non-tech user

2009-09-29 Thread Karanbir Singh
On 09/27/2009 02:57 PM, Drew wrote: > That's the rule of thumb I see applied to what goes in /srv. In a LAMP > box for example I'd expect to see the website(and site logs), database > files, and POP3/IMAP spools stored in srv directories. Machine > specific data like system logs and email processin

Re: [CentOS] CentOS for non-tech user

2009-09-29 Thread Les Mikesell
Sorin Srbu wrote: > >> I there are too many updates, and sometimes they crash something. I >> remember while using Fedora 10, after disappointment with F9, after an >> update, the sound stopped to work. I didn't like the idea of Thunderbird >> beta in F 12. Also, the external drives are mounted usi

Re: [CentOS] CentOS for non-tech user

2009-09-29 Thread Les Mikesell
Sorin Srbu wrote: >> >> Thats my thought as well. Ubuntu desktop and CentOS for servers. >> Just wandering if anyone is using the 'Ubuntu Server Edition's'? They >> seem appealing but CentOS is what I am used too on servers now. >> Thought about loading it up on a box to just try though. > > Not

Re: [CentOS] CentOS for non-tech user

2009-09-29 Thread Les Mikesell
Christopher Chan wrote: > >>> >>> Thats my thought as well. Ubuntu desktop and CentOS for servers. >>> Just wandering if anyone is using the 'Ubuntu Server Edition's'? They >>> seem appealing but CentOS is what I am used too on servers now. >>> Thought about loading it up on a box to just try th

Re: [CentOS] CentOS for non-tech user

2009-09-29 Thread Robert Heller
At Tue, 29 Sep 2009 10:21:08 +0200 CentOS mailing list wrote: > > > > > > 1) Ubuntu really needs more frequent total updates (it is not a > > long-term stable release). The Ubuntu system that was on the local > > library's server was unable to get updates (apt-get would fail -- I > > ended u

Re: [CentOS] CentOS for non-tech user

2009-09-29 Thread Niki Kovacs
Christopher Chan a écrit : >> > Bah, sudo -i for the equivalent of su -. Or try this: $ sudo -s ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos

Re: [CentOS] CentOS for non-tech user

2009-09-29 Thread Niki Kovacs
Geoff Galitz a écrit : > > Ubuntu has the LTS releases, which are long term stable releases. They are > supported for five years after release. > Ubuntu Long Term Support is three years for desktops and five for servers. In the last LTS version (8.04), half of the audio apps had no sound for a

Re: [CentOS] CentOS for non-tech user

2009-09-29 Thread Sorin Srbu
>-Original Message- >From: centos-boun...@centos.org [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On Behalf >Of Christopher Chan >Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 9:40 AM >To: CentOS mailing list >Subject: Re: [CentOS] CentOS for non-tech user > >> Not using,

Re: [CentOS] CentOS for non-tech user

2009-09-29 Thread Geoff Galitz
> > 1) Ubuntu really needs more frequent total updates (it is not a > long-term stable release). The Ubuntu system that was on the local > library's server was unable to get updates (apt-get would fail -- I > ended up manually downloading packages and installing by hand (using raw > dpkg command

Re: [CentOS] CentOS for non-tech user

2009-09-29 Thread Christopher Chan
Sorin Srbu wrote: >> -Original Message- >> From: centos-boun...@centos.org [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On >> > Behalf > >> Of Matt >> Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 11:29 PM >> To: CentOS mailing list >> Subject: Re: [CentOS]

Re: [CentOS] CentOS for non-tech user

2009-09-28 Thread Sorin Srbu
>-Original Message- >From: centos-boun...@centos.org [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On Behalf >Of Christopher Chan >Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 2:35 AM >To: CentOS mailing list >Subject: Re: [CentOS] CentOS for non-tech user > >Ubuntu for desktop is rea

Re: [CentOS] CentOS for non-tech user

2009-09-28 Thread Sorin Srbu
>-Original Message- >From: centos-boun...@centos.org [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On Behalf >Of Matt >Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 11:29 PM >To: CentOS mailing list >Subject: Re: [CentOS] CentOS for non-tech user > >Thats my thought as well. Ubuntu deskto

Re: [CentOS] CentOS for non-tech user

2009-09-28 Thread Sorin Srbu
>-Original Message- >From: centos-boun...@centos.org [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On Behalf >Of Marcelo M. Garcia >Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 11:08 PM >To: CentOS mailing list >Subject: Re: [CentOS] CentOS for non-tech user > >>> Sorry, but Fedo

Re: [CentOS] CentOS for non-tech user

2009-09-28 Thread Christopher Chan
Matt wrote: >>> I'm thinking of giving CentOS to a non-tech user for her new desktop. He >>> needs are small. She has been used to Mozilla for both mail and browsing, >>> so >>> equivalents there are not a problem. She needs grip and lame, for her mp3s >>> - >>> again no problem. >>> >>

Re: [CentOS] CentOS for non-tech user

2009-09-28 Thread aurfalien
I'd like to chime in on this. Being techy. nothing really bugs me as I think its all POS. However I do think the Linux desktop is not so good in general. I've been a big fan of Irix and used to maintain it when it was the golden child of the Unix desktop. I've been following the 5dwm project

Re: [CentOS] CentOS for non-tech user

2009-09-28 Thread Robert Heller
At Mon, 28 Sep 2009 16:29:12 -0500 CentOS mailing list wrote: > > >> I'm thinking of giving CentOS to a non-tech user for her new desktop.  He > >> needs are small.  She has been used to Mozilla for both mail and > >> browsing, so > >> equivalents there are not a problem.  She needs grip an

Re: [CentOS] CentOS for non-tech user

2009-09-28 Thread Matt
>> I'm thinking of giving CentOS to a non-tech user for her new desktop.  He >> needs are small.  She has been used to Mozilla for both mail and browsing, so >> equivalents there are not a problem.  She needs grip and lame, for her mp3s - >> again no problem. > > Desktop, non-techie - use Ubuntu in

Re: [CentOS] CentOS for non-tech user

2009-09-28 Thread Marcelo M. Garcia
Sorin Srbu wrote: >> -Original Message- >> From: centos-boun...@centos.org [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On > Behalf >> Of Marcelo M. Garcia >> Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 8:57 PM >> To: CentOS mailing list >> Subject: Re: [CentOS] Ce

Re: [CentOS] CentOS for non-tech user

2009-09-28 Thread Sorin Srbu
>-Original Message- >From: centos-boun...@centos.org [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On Behalf >Of Marcelo M. Garcia >Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 8:57 PM >To: CentOS mailing list >Subject: Re: [CentOS] CentOS for non-tech user > >Sorry, but Fedora is

Re: [CentOS] CentOS for non-tech user

2009-09-28 Thread Johnny Hughes
On 09/27/2009 08:09 AM, Robert Heller wrote: > At Sun, 27 Sep 2009 09:13:04 +0200 CentOS mailing list > wrote: > >> >> m.r...@5-cent.us a écrit : >> >>> I'd add in the search RHEL, at least to start. Beyond that, >>> some other distro, such as mandrake, may have compatible rpms. >> >> No! Never

Re: [CentOS] CentOS for non-tech user

2009-09-27 Thread Drew
> So I don't see consensus here. What if my served data ist "variable > data"? An no distinction between man made or machine made is given here. > Also this might not be flexible enough for some scenarios. Is the data being stored customer facing or internal to the machine? That's the rule of thu

Re: [CentOS] CentOS for non-tech user

2009-09-27 Thread Christoph Maser
Am Sonntag, den 27.09.2009, 15:17 +0200 schrieb Karanbir Singh: > On 24/09/09 21:32, Paul Heinlein wrote: > > I really wish RH would hop on the /srv bus. The broad distinction is > > fairly easy to grasp: /var for variable data of general interest to > > the machine, /srv for stuff related to a spe

Re: [CentOS] CentOS for non-tech user

2009-09-27 Thread Karanbir Singh
On 24/09/09 21:32, Paul Heinlein wrote: > I really wish RH would hop on the /srv bus. The broad distinction is > fairly easy to grasp: /var for variable data of general interest to > the machine, /srv for stuff related to a specific service. In general, > /var is machine-generated, /srv is person-g

Re: [CentOS] CentOS for non-tech user

2009-09-27 Thread Robert Heller
At Sun, 27 Sep 2009 09:13:04 +0200 CentOS mailing list wrote: > > m.r...@5-cent.us a écrit : > > > I'd add in the search RHEL, at least to start. Beyond that, > > some other distro, such as mandrake, may have compatible rpms. > > No! Never use Mandrake RPMS on RHEL. Never say never: I have

Re: [CentOS] CentOS for non-tech user

2009-09-27 Thread Niki Kovacs
m.r...@5-cent.us a écrit : > I'd add in the search RHEL, at least to start. Beyond that, > some other distro, such as mandrake, may have compatible rpms. No! Never use Mandrake RPMS on RHEL. My advice for third-party applications: 1) Use RPMS from RPMForge repo. 2) If your app/lib/tool/whateve

Re: [CentOS] CentOS for non-tech user

2009-09-26 Thread Niki Kovacs
Les Mikesell a écrit : > But that leaves you in charge of maintaining and updating every piece you > install or leaving the systems in a lurch if you don't and there are > subsequent > security/bug fixes. The whole point of having an enterprise-type long-life > distribution is that you don't

Re: [CentOS] CentOS for non-tech user

2009-09-26 Thread Les Mikesell
mark wrote: > Les Mikesell wrote: >> mark wrote: >>> Niki Kovacs wrote: Les Mikesell a écrit : >>> Here's an example. I have a directory java/, with the latest java from sun.com, plus the following script: >>> >>> I've just become familiar with alternatives, and now wonder why no

Re: [CentOS] CentOS for non-tech user

2009-09-26 Thread mark
Les Mikesell wrote: > mark wrote: >> Niki Kovacs wrote: >>> Les Mikesell a écrit : >> >>> Here's an example. I have a directory java/, with the latest java from >>> sun.com, plus the following script: >> >> I've just become familiar with alternatives, and now wonder why no one >> created >> th

Re: [CentOS] CentOS for non-tech user

2009-09-26 Thread Les Mikesell
mark wrote: > Niki Kovacs wrote: >> Les Mikesell a écrit : > >> Here's an example. I have a directory java/, with the latest java from >> sun.com, plus the following script: > > I've just become familiar with alternatives, and now wonder why no one > created > that a decade ago. It's not a re

Re: [CentOS] CentOS for non-tech user

2009-09-26 Thread mark
Niki Kovacs wrote: > Les Mikesell a écrit : > Here's an example. I have a directory java/, with the latest java from > sun.com, plus the following script: I've just become familiar with alternatives, and now wonder why no one created that a decade ago. mark -- "The very powerful and t

Re: [CentOS] CentOS for non-tech user

2009-09-26 Thread Les Mikesell
Niki Kovacs wrote: > Les Mikesell a écrit : > >> Can the install script be simplified to rpm installs of the http urls to the >> yum >> repo release files followed by yum installs of a list of packages? And if >> so, >> can someone publish that script? >> > > Not really. Before discovering C

Re: [CentOS] CentOS for non-tech user

2009-09-26 Thread Niki Kovacs
Les Mikesell a écrit : > Can the install script be simplified to rpm installs of the http urls to the > yum > repo release files followed by yum installs of a list of packages? And if > so, > can someone publish that script? > Not really. Before discovering CentOS (around 2006), I've been a

Re: [CentOS] CentOS for non-tech user

2009-09-26 Thread Les Mikesell
Niki Kovacs wrote: > Matt a écrit : >> I have always used Ubuntu for desktop linux and CentOS for servers. >> Have never tried CentOS as a desktop. Perhaps I should? >> > > One look is worth a thousand words, as they say : > > http://www.microlinux.fr/captures.html > > My Linux desktop, based o

Re: [CentOS] CentOS for non-tech user

2009-09-26 Thread Niki Kovacs
Matt a écrit : > I have always used Ubuntu for desktop linux and CentOS for servers. > Have never tried CentOS as a desktop. Perhaps I should? > One look is worth a thousand words, as they say : http://www.microlinux.fr/captures.html My Linux desktop, based on CentOS 5.3, tweaked to death with

Re: [CentOS] CentOS for non-tech user

2009-09-25 Thread Anne Wilson
On Friday 25 September 2009 17:02:24 Lanny Marcus wrote: > On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 4:11 AM, Anne Wilson wrote: > > I'm thinking of giving CentOS to a non-tech user for her new desktop. He > > needs are small. She has been used to Mozilla for both mail and > > browsing, so > > I believe if you

Re: [CentOS] CentOS for non-tech user

2009-09-25 Thread Lanny Marcus
On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 4:11 AM, Anne Wilson wrote: > I'm thinking of giving CentOS to a non-tech user for her new desktop.  He > needs are small.  She has been used to Mozilla for both mail and browsing, so I believe if you install all the multimedia stuff that's described on the CentOS Wiki and

Re: [CentOS] CentOS for non-tech user

2009-09-25 Thread m . roth
> Anne Wilson wrote: >> On Thursday 24 September 2009 20:03:04 Curt Mills wrote: >>> On Thu, 24 Sep 2009, Anne Wilson wrote: On Thursday 24 September 2009 17:50:37 Ron Loftin wrote: > My image of the "low-tech" user is the one who surfs the Web, reads > and > writes e-mail, and doe

Re: [CentOS] CentOS for non-tech user

2009-09-25 Thread Les Mikesell
Anne Wilson wrote: > On Thursday 24 September 2009 20:03:04 Curt Mills wrote: >> On Thu, 24 Sep 2009, Anne Wilson wrote: >>> On Thursday 24 September 2009 17:50:37 Ron Loftin wrote: My image of the "low-tech" user is the one who surfs the Web, reads and writes e-mail, and does the odd let

Re: [CentOS] CentOS for non-tech user

2009-09-25 Thread Anne Wilson
On Thursday 24 September 2009 20:03:04 Curt Mills wrote: > On Thu, 24 Sep 2009, Anne Wilson wrote: > > On Thursday 24 September 2009 17:50:37 Ron Loftin wrote: > >> My image of the "low-tech" user is the one who surfs the Web, reads and > >> writes e-mail, and does the odd letter or maybe even a sp

Re: [CentOS] CentOS for non-tech user

2009-09-24 Thread Drew
> I really wish RH would hop on the /srv bus. The broad distinction is > fairly easy to grasp: /var for variable data of general interest to > the machine, /srv for stuff related to a specific service. In general, > /var is machine-generated, /srv is person-generated. > > If you maintain it with $E

Re: [CentOS] CentOS for non-tech user

2009-09-24 Thread Paul Heinlein
On Thu, 24 Sep 2009, Drew wrote: >> The other thing is that ubuntu does some things I consider odd, and >> puts some things in odd places (say, not having your web stuff >> under /var/www, etc). > > That may be because they're aiming for compliance with the > Filesystem Hierarchy Standard ( htt

Re: [CentOS] CentOS for non-tech user

2009-09-24 Thread Drew
The other thing is that ubuntu does some things I consider odd, and puts > some things in odd places (say, not having your web stuff under /var/www, > etc). That may be because they're aiming for compliance with the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard ( http://www.pathname.com/fhs/ ). Web related stuff

Re: [CentOS] CentOS for non-tech user

2009-09-24 Thread Tiago Almeida
It's that same old problem. Some distros just ignores LSB, and do the way they wants leaving to some incompatibility issues. The way you configure network, for example, is different on Debian, Slackware, etc. That's bad. -- Tiago Almeida tiagov...@gmail.com

Re: [CentOS] CentOS for non-tech user

2009-09-24 Thread m . roth
> Anne Wilson wrote: >> I'm thinking of giving CentOS to a non-tech user for her new desktop. >> He >> needs are small. She has been used to Mozilla for both mail and >> browsing, so >> equivalents there are not a problem. She needs grip and lame, for her >> mp3s - >> again no problem. > > Deskto

Re: [CentOS] CentOS for non-tech user

2009-09-24 Thread Florin Andrei
Marcelo M. Garcia wrote: > > Sorry, but Fedora is no longer a good desktop choice. I was a Fedora > user, but the distribution is pushing to far the idea of cutting edge > features. Yeah, based on some experiences I had with it, I'd be wary of installing it on systems owned by random innocents

Re: [CentOS] CentOS for non-tech user

2009-09-24 Thread Curt Mills
On Thu, 24 Sep 2009, Anne Wilson wrote: > On Thursday 24 September 2009 17:50:37 Ron Loftin wrote: >> My image of the "low-tech" user is the one who surfs the Web, reads and >> writes e-mail, and does the odd letter or maybe even a spreadsheet in >> some office tool, along with maybe some simple g

Re: [CentOS] CentOS for non-tech user

2009-09-24 Thread Marcelo M. Garcia
Tiago Almeida wrote: > IMHO, > > I think Fedora is a good choice for Desktop (Although i'm a Debian > fan), because it's RPM based distro and if you get used to it you'll > be also at CentOS. > > I totally agree that for servers CentOS or RHCE is a good choice. > Hi Sorry, but Fedora is no long

Re: [CentOS] CentOS for non-tech user

2009-09-24 Thread Anne Wilson
On Thursday 24 September 2009 17:50:37 Ron Loftin wrote: > My image of the "low-tech" user is the one who surfs the Web, reads and > writes e-mail, and does the odd letter or maybe even a spreadsheet in > some office tool, along with maybe some simple games. My experience > with this category of u

Re: [CentOS] CentOS for non-tech user

2009-09-24 Thread Tiago Almeida
IMHO, I think Fedora is a good choice for Desktop (Although i'm a Debian fan), because it's RPM based distro and if you get used to it you'll be also at CentOS. I totally agree that for servers CentOS or RHCE is a good choice. -- Tiago Almeida tiagov...@gmail.com ___

Re: [CentOS] CentOS for non-tech user

2009-09-24 Thread Max Hetrick
Florin Andrei wrote: > I'm a big CentOS fan, I joined even the Facebook group (lol), but its > place is on the server or, perhaps, on a workstation for a power user > (or for things like running scientific apps on the desktop). If you're a > PhD running quantum theory equations with Mathematica

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