Re: [CentOS] CentOS 7, systemd, NetworkMangler, oh, my

2017-02-15 Thread Always Learning
On Wed, 2017-02-15 at 12:45 -0500, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: > Always Learning wrote: > > > >> Used a VCR or Cassette Player lately? > > > > My VCR broke. Replaced it with a DVD/HDD & USB3 unit. Replaced cassette > > player and tape recorders with broadcast quality handheld recorder > > DR-100mk3 a

Re: [CentOS] CentOS 7, systemd, NetworkMangler, oh, my

2017-02-15 Thread John R Pierce
On 2/15/2017 9:45 AM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: But how do you play all your old VCR tapes? As I said, I want to burn them to disk, but I still have a working VCR. ugh, the video quality of VHS is *so* nasty, I don't WANT to play those old tapes any more. I do have a still working Hi8 VCR I've

Re: [CentOS] CentOS 7, systemd, NetworkMangler, oh, my

2017-02-15 Thread Valeri Galtsev
On Wed, February 15, 2017 11:45 am, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: > Always Learning wrote: >> >>> Used a VCR or Cassette Player lately? >> >> My VCR broke. Replaced it with a DVD/HDD & USB3 unit. Replaced cassette >> player and tape recorders with broadcast quality handheld recorder >> DR-100mk3 and an

Re: [CentOS] CentOS 7, systemd, NetworkMangler, oh, my

2017-02-15 Thread m . roth
Always Learning wrote: > >> Used a VCR or Cassette Player lately? > > My VCR broke. Replaced it with a DVD/HDD & USB3 unit. Replaced cassette > player and tape recorders with broadcast quality handheld recorder > DR-100mk3 and an amazingly good Sony PX440. But how do you play all your old VCR tape

Re: [CentOS] CentOS 7, systemd, NetworkMangler, oh, my

2017-02-15 Thread James Hogarth
On 15 Feb 2017 16:40, "Always Learning" wrote: On Mon, 2017-02-13 at 16:49 +, James Hogarth wrote: > On EL6 yes NM should be removed on anything but a wifi system but on > EL7 unless you fall into a specific edge case as per the network docs: > > https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en

Re: [CentOS] CentOS 7, systemd, NetworkMangler, oh, my

2017-02-15 Thread Always Learning
On Tue, 2017-02-14 at 20:40 -0800, Alice Wonder wrote: > Why the bleep can't stuff like this be simple KISS with simple > key=value > configuration files? Amen. Its incredibly simple to understand and doesn't require a doctorate in confused thinking ! -- Regards, Paul. England, EU. En

Re: [CentOS] CentOS 7, systemd, NetworkMangler, oh, my

2017-02-15 Thread Always Learning
> Used a VCR or Cassette Player lately? My VCR broke. Replaced it with a DVD/HDD & USB3 unit. Replaced cassette player and tape recorders with broadcast quality handheld recorder DR-100mk3 and an amazingly good Sony PX440. Still retain the original functionality. C7 doesn't retain all the origin

Re: [CentOS] CentOS 7, systemd, NetworkMangler, oh, my

2017-02-15 Thread Always Learning
On Mon, 2017-02-13 at 16:49 +, James Hogarth wrote: > On EL6 yes NM should be removed on anything but a wifi system but on > EL7 unless you fall into a specific edge case as per the network docs: > > https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-US/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux/7/html-single/Netwo

Re: [CentOS] CentOS 7, systemd, NetworkMangler, oh, my

2017-02-15 Thread Johnny Hughes
On 02/15/2017 09:45 AM, John Hodrien wrote: > On Wed, 15 Feb 2017, Valeri Galtsev wrote: > >> My start with CentOS 7 to some extent reminded me this MacOS Server >> experience ;-) No, not ansence of documentation, but the attitude to make >> everybody use GUI. Exactly as you notice. I bet many use

Re: [CentOS] CentOS 7, systemd, NetworkMangler, oh, my

2017-02-15 Thread John Hodrien
On Wed, 15 Feb 2017, Valeri Galtsev wrote: My start with CentOS 7 to some extent reminded me this MacOS Server experience ;-) No, not ansence of documentation, but the attitude to make everybody use GUI. Exactly as you notice. I bet many users were lost by Linux then... Sometimes on this list

Re: [CentOS] CentOS 7, systemd, NetworkMangler, oh, my

2017-02-15 Thread m . roth
Robert Nichols wrote: > On 02/15/2017 07:41 AM, Johnny Hughes wrote: >> On 02/15/2017 07:34 AM, Leroy Tennison wrote: >>> Too much temptation to resist, I don't know which one of us is older >>> but I have a feeling it's a "horse race". Like you, I still have a >>> land line, WiFi is too slow and

Re: [CentOS] CentOS 7, systemd, NetworkMangler, oh, my

2017-02-15 Thread Valeri Galtsev
> To: "CentOS mailing list" > Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2017 10:07:55 AM > Subject: Re: [CentOS] CentOS 7, systemd, NetworkMangler, oh, my > > Johnny Hughes wrote: > >> I get it .. but no one needed a hand held cell phone before 1973 and no >> one n

Re: [CentOS] CentOS 7, systemd, NetworkMangler, oh, my

2017-02-15 Thread Robert Nichols
On 02/15/2017 07:41 AM, Johnny Hughes wrote: On 02/15/2017 07:34 AM, Leroy Tennison wrote: Too much temptation to resist, I don't know which one of us is older but I have a feeling it's a "horse race". Like you, I still have a land line, WiFi is too slow and "WiFi security" seems to be an oxy

Re: [CentOS] CentOS 7, systemd, NetworkMangler, oh, my

2017-02-15 Thread Gordon Messmer
On 02/15/2017 12:23 AM, John R Pierce wrote: DHCPv6 is really unusual. IPv6 addressing and routing is set up almost entirely in the kernel, unless you're using static addresses. IPv6 is neither harder nor easier with NetworkManager, in my experience. It was my understanding that most ipv6 n

Re: [CentOS] CentOS 7, systemd, NetworkMangler, oh, my

2017-02-15 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Gordon Messmer said: > DHCPv6 is really unusual. IPv6 addressing and routing is set up > almost entirely in the kernel, unless you're using static addresses. > IPv6 is neither harder nor easier with NetworkManager, in my > experience. Not sure about the version in CentOS, but i

Re: [CentOS] CentOS 7, systemd, NetworkMangler, oh, my

2017-02-15 Thread Johnny Hughes
e who have RHCE certs and/or computer science degrees who work for the companies running Linux. And I am a few years old myself. > - Original Message - > From: "m roth" > To: "CentOS mailing list" > Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2017 10:07:55 AM > Subject: R

Re: [CentOS] CentOS 7, systemd, NetworkMangler, oh, my

2017-02-15 Thread Leroy Tennison
soft understands - give me the command prompt any day rather than layers of GUI hiding those possibly cryptic but also possibly useful messages. - Original Message - From: "m roth" To: "CentOS mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2017 10:07:55 AM Subject: Re:

Re: [CentOS] CentOS 7, systemd, NetworkMangler, oh, my

2017-02-15 Thread John R Pierce
On 2/15/2017 12:04 AM, Gordon Messmer wrote: DHCPv6 is really unusual. IPv6 addressing and routing is set up almost entirely in the kernel, unless you're using static addresses. IPv6 is neither harder nor easier with NetworkManager, in my experience. It was my understanding that most ipv6 n

Re: [CentOS] CentOS 7, systemd, NetworkMangler, oh, my

2017-02-15 Thread Gordon Messmer
On 02/14/2017 08:40 PM, Alice Wonder wrote: Well CentOS 7 doesn't use that, and trying to figure out where in the mess of /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts the problem is occurring has caused me much frustration. DHCPv6 is really unusual. IPv6 addressing and routing is set up almost entirely

Re: [CentOS] CentOS 7, systemd, NetworkMangler, oh, my

2017-02-14 Thread Alice Wonder
On 02/14/2017 08:40 PM, Alice Wonder wrote: On 02/14/2017 06:49 AM, Johnny Hughes wrote: But as Linux installs become more and more complicated and it is not some individual machines in a rack but clouds, clusters, and containers with software defined networking and individual segments for spe

Re: [CentOS] CentOS 7, systemd, NetworkMangler, oh, my

2017-02-14 Thread Alice Wonder
On 02/14/2017 06:49 AM, Johnny Hughes wrote: But as Linux installs become more and more complicated and it is not some individual machines in a rack but clouds, clusters, and containers with software defined networking and individual segments for specific applications spread out within the netw

Re: [CentOS] CentOS 7, systemd, NetworkMangler, oh, my

2017-02-14 Thread m . roth
Johnny Hughes wrote: > I get it .. but no one needed a hand held cell phone before 1973 and no > one needed a smart phone before 2007. Now, almost everyone has a smart > cell and land lines are dying. Technology moves forward. People want > integrated cloud, container, SDN technology, etc. Use

Re: [CentOS] CentOS 7, systemd, NetworkMangler, oh, my

2017-02-14 Thread Johnny Hughes
On 02/13/2017 11:36 AM, peter.winterflood wrote: > On 13/02/17 16:49, James Hogarth wrote: >> On 13 February 2017 at 16:17, peter.winterflood >> wrote: >>> >>> >>> there's a really good solution to this. >>> >>> yum remove NetworkManager* >>> >>> chkconfig network on >>> >>> service network start

Re: [CentOS] CentOS 7, systemd, NetworkMangler, oh, my

2017-02-13 Thread m . roth
Gordon Messmer wrote: > On 02/13/2017 10:35 AM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: >>> What's in /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-? Does it say >>> NM_CONTROLLED=no? >>> >> Good catch. No, it doesn't say no... because the line was commented out. >> I've just uncommented it, and set it to yes. > > Commente

Re: [CentOS] CentOS 7, systemd, NetworkMangler, oh, my

2017-02-13 Thread Gordon Messmer
On 02/13/2017 10:35 AM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: What's in /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-? Does it say NM_CONTROLLED=no? Good catch. No, it doesn't say no... because the line was commented out. I've just uncommented it, and set it to yes. Commented out should be the same as =yes. Only

Re: [CentOS] CentOS 7, systemd, NetworkMangler, oh, my

2017-02-13 Thread m . roth
Gordon Messmer wrote: > On 02/13/2017 07:35 AM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: >> Finally, I do an ifdown, followed by an ifup, and everything's >> wonderful. > > What's in /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-? Does it say > NM_CONTROLLED=no? > Good catch. No, it doesn't say no... because the line was co

Re: [CentOS] CentOS 7, systemd, NetworkMangler, oh, my

2017-02-13 Thread m . roth
peter.winterflood wrote: > On 13/02/17 15:35, m.roth wrote: >> My manager tells me a system in the datacenter is down. I go down there, >> and plug in a monitor-on-a-stick and keyboard. It's up, but no network. >> I try systemctl restart NetworkManager several times, and ip a shows *no* >> change.

Re: [CentOS] CentOS 7, systemd, NetworkMangler, oh, my

2017-02-13 Thread m . roth
James Hogarth wrote: > On 13 February 2017 at 15:35, wrote: >> My manager tells me a system in the datacenter is down. I go down there, >> and plug in a monitor-on-a-stick and keyboard. It's up, but no network. >> I >> try systemctl restart NetworkManager several times, and ip a shows *no* >> cha

Re: [CentOS] CentOS 7, systemd, NetworkMangler, oh, my

2017-02-13 Thread peter.winterflood
On 13/02/17 16:49, James Hogarth wrote: On 13 February 2017 at 16:17, peter.winterflood wrote: there's a really good solution to this. yum remove NetworkManager* chkconfig network on service network start and yes thats all under fedora 25, and centos 7. works like a charm. sometimes rem

Re: [CentOS] CentOS 7, systemd, NetworkMangler, oh, my

2017-02-13 Thread Johnny Hughes
On 02/13/2017 11:15 AM, Gordon Messmer wrote: > On 02/13/2017 07:35 AM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: >> Finally, I do an ifdown, followed by an ifup, and everything's wonderful. > > What's in /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-? Does it say > NM_CONTROLLED=no? or onboot=no signature.asc Descr

Re: [CentOS] CentOS 7, systemd, NetworkMangler, oh, my

2017-02-13 Thread Gordon Messmer
On 02/13/2017 07:35 AM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: Finally, I do an ifdown, followed by an ifup, and everything's wonderful. What's in /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-? Does it say NM_CONTROLLED=no? My manager thinks that the NM daemon thinks everything's fine, and there've been no change

Re: [CentOS] CentOS 7, systemd, NetworkMangler, oh, my

2017-02-13 Thread James Hogarth
On 13 February 2017 at 16:17, peter.winterflood wrote: > > > > there's a really good solution to this. > > yum remove NetworkManager* > > chkconfig network on > > service network start > > and yes thats all under fedora 25, and centos 7. > > works like a charm. > > sometimes removing NM leaves res

Re: [CentOS] CentOS 7, systemd, NetworkMangler, oh, my

2017-02-13 Thread peter.winterflood
On 13/02/17 15:35, m.roth wrote: My manager tells me a system in the datacenter is down. I go down there, and plug in a monitor-on-a-stick and keyboard. It's up, but no network. I try systemctl restart NetworkManager several times, and ip a shows *no* change. Finally, I do an ifdown, followed b

Re: [CentOS] CentOS 7, systemd, NetworkMangler, oh, my

2017-02-13 Thread James Hogarth
On 13 February 2017 at 15:35, wrote: > My manager tells me a system in the datacenter is down. I go down there, > and plug in a monitor-on-a-stick and keyboard. It's up, but no network. I > try systemctl restart NetworkManager several times, and ip a shows *no* > change. > > Finally, I do an ifdo

[CentOS] CentOS 7, systemd, NetworkMangler, oh, my

2017-02-13 Thread m . roth
My manager tells me a system in the datacenter is down. I go down there, and plug in a monitor-on-a-stick and keyboard. It's up, but no network. I try systemctl restart NetworkManager several times, and ip a shows *no* change. Finally, I do an ifdown, followed by an ifup, and everything's wonderfu