On Sun, Dec 13, 2020 at 11:11:58PM +0200, Nikolaos Milas wrote:
> On 13/12/2020 9:44 μ.μ., Simon Avery wrote:
>
> > There are 4,606 people on their Slack right now
>
> ...which, by the way, is being acquired by SalesForce!
>
> Find a successor of Slack! 😉
OT excuse to rant, because I get so mad
I'm just trying to determine whether you were making the argument you
intended to, because you are literally suggesting that the majority is
silent, and the people who are silent are the ones that are happy with
something.
Silence doesn't confer anything. People can be displeased, cautiousl
On 12/13/20 1:32 PM, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote:
On 12/13/20 8:56 PM, Gordon Messmer wrote:
On 12/13/20 2:45 AM, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote:
When people are happy with something they do not voice their content on
the mailing list, mailing list is only to voice your discontent. You
heard about "si
On Sun, Dec 13, 2020 at 10:06:50PM +, Simon Avery wrote:
>
> Can't say I'm really appreciating the trolling in this list.
It's to be expected. What I find surprising is the shilling for RH and
this decision that I am seeing. Oh well, such is life.
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Seek not to follow in the footsteps of
On Sun, 13 Dec 2020 at 19:56, Gordon Messmer
wrote:
> So, the majority of users are silent, because they're happy? Cool.
>
Can't say I'm really appreciating the trolling in this list.
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On 12/13/20 8:56 PM, Gordon Messmer wrote:
> On 12/13/20 2:45 AM, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote:
>> When people are happy with something they do not voice their content on
>> the mailing list, mailing list is only to voice your discontent. You
>> heard about "silent majority", right? Ever though why it
On 12/13/20 1:25 PM, Dave Stevens wrote:
On Sun, 13 Dec 2020 21:05:42 +0100
Rainer Duffner wrote:
It’s also not often the case that you can split this kind of work
into a thousand work-packages and have everybody just work 1/2 hour a
day on it.
not like Debian for instance
d
The workflow
In the context of RHEL clones, I think we should use term "EL" instead
of "CentOS", that is now trademark owned by RH.
On 12/13/20 8:36 PM, Nikolaos Milas wrote:
> On 13/12/2020 1:05 μ.μ., Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote:
>
>> Just an update, name of the project will be "Lenix", and I missedin
>> annou
On 13/12/2020 9:44 μ.μ., Simon Avery wrote:
There are 4,606 people on their Slack right now
...which, by the way, is being acquired by SalesForce!
Find a successor of Slack! 😉
Nick
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On Sun, 13 Dec 2020 21:05:42 +0100
Rainer Duffner wrote:
> It’s also not often the case that you can split this kind of work
> into a thousand work-packages and have everybody just work 1/2 hour a
> day on it.
not like Debian for instance
d
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> Am 13.12.2020 um 20:44 schrieb Simon Avery :
>
>>
>>> And there's *a lot* more than five of us.
>>
>> Here is number six.
>>
>
> Just one of those groups energised from this decision is Rocky Linux. There
> are 4,606 people on their Slack right now, which did not even exist a week
> ago.
On Sun, Dec 13, 2020 at 11:56:05AM -0800, Gordon Messmer wrote:
>
> Your memory is still rusty. Early accusations were that this would impact
> developers (such as Oracle) who were adding additional patches to the
> kernel, or other maintenance. It never impacted "clones" like CentOS at
> all.
On 12/13/20 2:45 AM, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote:
When people are happy with something they do not voice their content on
the mailing list, mailing list is only to voice your discontent. You
heard about "silent majority", right? Ever though why it is called that?
So, the majority of users are si
>
> > And there's *a lot* more than five of us.
>
> Here is number six.
>
Just one of those groups energised from this decision is Rocky Linux. There
are 4,606 people on their Slack right now, which did not even exist a week
ago.
Yeah, it's more than five.
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On 13/12/2020 1:05 μ.μ., Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote:
Just an update, name of the project will be "Lenix", and I missedin
announcement that unlike CentOS they plan to publish all the build tools
and environment so other clones can be built even if they stray, a very
commendable approach.
Sounds
> Am 13.12.2020 um 19:53 schrieb Phelps, Matthew :
>
> On Sat, Dec 12, 2020 at 11:48 PM Gordon Messmer
> wrote:
>
>>> On 12/11/20 9:56 AM, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote:
>>> And I will repeat that millions of CentOS users found free clone of RHEL
>>> trustworthy enough to use it for production, e
On Sat, Dec 12, 2020 at 11:48 PM Gordon Messmer
wrote:
> On 12/11/20 9:56 AM, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote:
> > And I will repeat that millions of CentOS users found free clone of RHEL
> > trustworthy enough to use it for production, even without "official
> > endorsement".
>
>
> Exactly. That's wh
Just an update, name of the project will be "Lenix", and I missedin
announcement that unlike CentOS they plan to publish all the build tools
and environment so other clones can be built even if they stray, a very
commendable approach.
On 12/10/20 8:05 PM, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote:
> Someone is
You have not asked me, but I have another thing to add - maybe related.
Am 13.12.20 um 09:54 schrieb Simon Matter:
Le 13/12/2020 à 05:30, Frank Cox a écrit :
So after reading other folks' opinions of an Oracle Linux 8 (thanks
again,
Nicolas!) trial installation, I decided to crank up a Virtual
On 12/13/20 5:48 AM, Gordon Messmer wrote:
> On 12/11/20 9:56 AM, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote:
>> And I will repeat that millions of CentOS users found free clone of RHEL
>> trustworthy enough to use it for production, even without "official
>> endorsement".
>
>
> Exactly. That's why it's so weird
On 13/12/2020 6:48 π.μ., Gordon Messmer wrote:
Red Hat is giving us the thing that has been requested more often, by
more people, than any other change in CentOS, and the result is that
the press is full of stories about users being angry, because five
people on the mailing lists sent a lot of
> On Sat, Dec 12, 2020 at 08:20:04PM +0100, Simon Matter wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Attached patches:
>> openssl.spec.patch.gz
>> openssl-1.0.1e-cve-2020-1971.patch.gz
>>
>> Please let me know if you find any issues.
>
> Attachments scrubbed from your message when posted.
>
OK, let's try it again. Hope t
> Le 13/12/2020 à 05:30, Frank Cox a écrit :
>> So after reading other folks' opinions of an Oracle Linux 8 (thanks
>> again,
>> Nicolas!) trial installation, I decided to crank up a Virtual Box
>> session
>> and try an install myself.
>
> I've made a few corrections to the article. If there's enou
Le 13/12/2020 à 05:30, Frank Cox a écrit :
> So after reading other folks' opinions of an Oracle Linux 8 (thanks again,
> Nicolas!) trial installation, I decided to crank up a Virtual Box session
> and try an install myself.
I've made a few corrections to the article. If there's enough demand, I c
Le 11/12/2020 à 18:25, Gordon Messmer a écrit :
> I'll repeat what I said earlier, CentOS has never offered the things people
> are
> complaining about losing. They've never asked for your trust and confidence.
For the last 16 years, the explicit scope of the CentOS project has been to
rebuild R
Le 11/12/2020 à 02:25, Gordon Messmer a écrit :
> Personally, I think that changing focus on CentOS Stream is going to make
> CentOS (and maybe even RHEL) better in the same way and for the same reasons
> that Fedora is a better distribution than Red Hat Linux was.
Using Fedora on production serve
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