Re: [CentOS] why no recent bind update for CentOS 6?

2015-07-30 Thread Nathan Duehr
> On Jul 30, 2015, at 20:09, Always Learning wrote: > > > On Thu, 2015-07-30 at 11:45 -0600, Nathan Duehr wrote: > >> Honestly I don’t know how you guys do it… > > By not using Windoze ? > I meant the time… the time… involved… so much time… :-) -- Nate Duehr denverpi...@me.com __

Re: [CentOS] Fedora change that will probably affect RHEL

2015-07-30 Thread Warren Young
On Jul 30, 2015, at 4:27 PM, Gordon Messmer wrote: > > On 07/30/2015 12:35 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: >> No fail2ban, no firewall rules, sshd by default, challengeresponseauth >> by default, > > ChallengeResponseAuth is not on by default, on Red Hat derived systems. I'm > pretty sure that was alr

Re: [CentOS] Fedora change that will probably affect RHEL

2015-07-30 Thread Always Learning
On Thu, 2015-07-30 at 12:46 -0500, Valeri Galtsev wrote: > Google has always been in making profit on information [about us] they > can collect. But in general you are right. Likelihood wise, I'll stick > to my opinion ;-) Hey, don't be greedy. Its our opinion too ;-) -- Regards, Paul. Engla

Re: [CentOS] why no recent bind update for CentOS 6?

2015-07-30 Thread Always Learning
On Thu, 2015-07-30 at 11:45 -0600, Nathan Duehr wrote: > Honestly I don’t know how you guys do it… By not using Windoze ? -- Regards, Paul. England, EU. England's place is in the European Union. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http

Re: [CentOS] Fedora change that will probably affect RHEL

2015-07-30 Thread Always Learning
On Thu, 2015-07-30 at 10:54 -0500, Valeri Galtsev wrote: > "More secure" only to the level one can trust google ;-) Trust and Google are mutually incompatible ;-) > Just my $0.02 That's my €0.02 -- Regards, Paul. England, EU. England's place is in the European Union. _

Re: [CentOS] Fedora change that will probably affect RHEL

2015-07-30 Thread Always Learning
On Tue, 2015-07-28 at 14:46 -0600, Chris Murphy wrote: > Windows Server has power shell disabled by default. The functional > equivalent, sshd, is typically enabled on Linux servers. So I think > it's overdue that sshd be disabled on Linux servers by default, > especially because the minimum pass

Re: [CentOS] Fedora change that will probably affect RHEL

2015-07-30 Thread Always Learning
On Tue, 2015-07-28 at 14:27 -0600, Chris Murphy wrote: > The reality is all the bad practices happen because this > quickly provisioned machine is forgotten about for one reason or > another, and then it gets owned. Linux users take a lot more care, and pride, in maintaining their systems well a

Re: [CentOS] Fedora change that will probably affect RHEL

2015-07-30 Thread Gordon Messmer
On 07/30/2015 12:35 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: No fail2ban, no firewall rules, sshd by default, challengeresponseauth by default, ChallengeResponseAuth is not on by default, on Red Hat derived systems. I'm pretty sure that was already clarified, much earlier in this thread. and a 9 character

[CentOS] centos6 and virtualbox audio problem

2015-07-30 Thread FHDATA
hello, host: centos6 64bit (dell desktop) guest: windows 7 64bit virtualbox: 4.3.30 problem: host has audio but guest does not. i.e. when virtualbox comes up, it says: No audio devices could be opened. ErrorID: HostAudioNotResponding #lspci -nn | grep -i audio 00:1b.0 Audio device [

Re: [CentOS] Fedora change that will probably affect RHEL

2015-07-30 Thread John R Pierce
On 7/30/2015 2:23 PM, Nathan Duehr wrote: >On Jul 30, 2015, at 12:20, Warren Young wrote: > >Meanwhile over here in CentOS land, you still see SSH password guessers banging on every public IP that responds to port 22. Why? Because it still occasionally works. Increase the password strength

Re: [CentOS] Fedora change that will probably affect RHEL

2015-07-30 Thread Nathan Duehr
> On Jul 30, 2015, at 12:20, Warren Young wrote: > > Meanwhile over here in CentOS land, you still see SSH password guessers > banging on every public IP that responds to port 22. Why? Because it still > occasionally works. Increase the password strength minima, and this class of > worm, t

Re: [CentOS] livecd vs nfsroot vs what?

2015-07-30 Thread Tru Huynh
On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 07:10:08PM +0100, Nux! wrote: > Hi, > > I'm trying to deploy some non-linux OS via pxe and I was thinking to > just launch CentOS in RAM and then run dd or qemu-img or something > like this in order to complete the other OS install via template > imaging. My first idea was

Re: [CentOS] Fedora change that will probably affect RHEL [META]

2015-07-30 Thread m . roth
Tom Bishop wrote: > On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 1:20 PM, Warren Young wrote: >> On Jul 29, 2015, at 5:40 PM, Chris Murphy >> wrote: >> > On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 4:37 PM, Warren Young >> wrote: >> > >> >> Security is *always* opposed to convenience. >> > >> > False. OS X by default runs only signed

Re: [CentOS] Fedora change that will probably affect RHEL

2015-07-30 Thread Chris Murphy
On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 12:20 PM, Warren Young wrote: > On Jul 29, 2015, at 5:40 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: >> >> On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 4:37 PM, Warren Young wrote: >> >>> Security is *always* opposed to convenience. >> >> False. OS X by default runs only signed binaries, and if they come >> fro

Re: [CentOS] Fedora change that will probably affect RHEL

2015-07-30 Thread John R Pierce
On 7/30/2015 12:17 PM, Warren Young wrote: No, what happens is that you call up your ISP to ask them for help blocking off the DDoS attack, and you either get blown off or transferred to their sales department to buy a “solution” to a problem they allow to exist because it brings in extra reve

Re: [CentOS] Fedora change that will probably affect RHEL

2015-07-30 Thread Warren Young
On Jul 29, 2015, at 6:19 PM, Nathan Duehr wrote: > >> On Jul 28, 2015, at 6:32 PM, Warren Young wrote: >> >> Now we have entrenched commercial interests that get paid more when you get >> DDoS’d. I’ll give you one guess what happens in such a world. > > What happens? Folks have to think hard

Re: [CentOS] Fedora change that will probably affect RHEL

2015-07-30 Thread Tom Bishop
On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 1:20 PM, Warren Young wrote: > On Jul 29, 2015, at 5:40 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: > > > > On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 4:37 PM, Warren Young wrote: > > > >> Security is *always* opposed to convenience. > > > > False. OS X by default runs only signed binaries, and if they come

Re: [CentOS] Fedora change that will probably affect RHEL

2015-07-30 Thread Warren Young
On Jul 29, 2015, at 5:40 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: > > On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 4:37 PM, Warren Young wrote: > >> Security is *always* opposed to convenience. > > False. OS X by default runs only signed binaries, and if they come > from the App Store they run in a sandbox. User gains significant

[CentOS] livecd vs nfsroot vs what?

2015-07-30 Thread Nux!
Hi, I'm trying to deploy some non-linux OS via pxe and I was thinking to just launch CentOS in RAM and then run dd or qemu-img or something like this in order to complete the other OS install via template imaging. My first idea was to build a custom CentOS livecd and use that in combination wit

Re: [CentOS] Top posting or not/ no snipping : was rsyslog.conf

2015-07-30 Thread Fred Smith
On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 10:48:51AM -0700, John R Pierce wrote: > On 7/30/2015 8:13 AM, Lamar Owen wrote: > >No snipping with bottom posting is worse than any top posting, > >IMHO. It wastes space and time and is equally bad in digests. But > >you're not likely to get the worst offenders to change.

Re: [CentOS] Top posting or not/ no snipping : was rsyslog.conf

2015-07-30 Thread John R Pierce
On 7/30/2015 8:13 AM, Lamar Owen wrote: No snipping with bottom posting is worse than any top posting, IMHO. It wastes space and time and is equally bad in digests. But you're not likely to get the worst offenders to change. totally concur but as long as people are going to use cell phones as

Re: [CentOS] Fedora change that will probably affect RHEL

2015-07-30 Thread Valeri Galtsev
On Thu, July 30, 2015 11:54 am, Chris Murphy wrote: > On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 9:54 AM, Valeri Galtsev > wrote: > >>> Now I use Google. They offer MFA opt in. And now I'm more secure than >>> I was with the myopic ISP. >> >> "More secure" only to the level one can trust google ;-) > > Yes I know,

Re: [CentOS] why no recent bind update for CentOS 6?

2015-07-30 Thread Nathan Duehr
> On Jul 30, 2015, at 03:37, Johnny Hughes wrote: > > Of course it makes sense. Those security updates are not released in a > vacuum, and all the things they are built on/against also need to be > released and installed for them to work. > > The source code for the ssecurity updates you are t

Re: [CentOS] Fedora change that will probably affect RHEL

2015-07-30 Thread Chris Murphy
On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 9:54 AM, Valeri Galtsev wrote: >> Now I use Google. They offer MFA opt in. And now I'm more secure than >> I was with the myopic ISP. > > "More secure" only to the level one can trust google ;-) Yes I know, but I put them in approximately the same ballpark as having to tr

Re: [CentOS] Fedora change that will probably affect RHEL

2015-07-30 Thread Chris Murphy
On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 9:10 AM, Lamar Owen wrote: > On 07/29/2015 07:40 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: >> >> On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 4:37 PM, Warren Young wrote: >> >>> Security is *always* opposed to convenience. >> >> False. OS X by default runs only signed binaries, and if they come >> from the App

Re: [CentOS] Fedora change that will probably affect RHEL

2015-07-30 Thread Chris Murphy
On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 8:32 AM, Lamar Owen wrote: >From a hacked Linux server which was brute-forced and > conscripted into being a slow bruteforcer node back in 2009 or so. ... > Better enforcement of password policy on that server would have prevented > the attack from succeeding and the machi

Re: [CentOS] Fedora change that will probably affect RHEL

2015-07-30 Thread Valeri Galtsev
On Wed, July 29, 2015 4:16 pm, Chris Murphy wrote: > On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 2:15 PM, Warren Young wrote: >> Just because one particular method of prophylaxis fails to protect >> against all threats doesn’t mean we should stop using it, or increase >> its strength. > > Actually it does.There is

Re: [CentOS] Top posting or not/ no snipping : was rsyslog.conf

2015-07-30 Thread m . roth
Lamar Owen wrote: > On 07/30/2015 10:24 AM, Wes James wrote: >> What’s even more irritating to me than top posting is when someone >> replies to a message that takes two page scrolls to get to the bottom >> then there’s only a few words that are unrelated to the actual message! >> What’s worse, to

Re: [CentOS] Fedora change that will probably affect RHEL

2015-07-30 Thread Gordon Messmer
On 07/29/2015 05:19 PM, Nathan Duehr wrote: fail2ban isn’t in the stock package repo for CentOS 7, much less installed and configured default. Until it is, it’s off-topic for this thread. Didn’t realize that. Brilliant move, removing it… (rolls eyes at RH)… I don't think it was removed... I

Re: [CentOS] Top posting or not/ no snipping : was rsyslog.conf

2015-07-30 Thread Lamar Owen
On 07/30/2015 10:24 AM, Wes James wrote: What’s even more irritating to me than top posting is when someone replies to a message that takes two page scrolls to get to the bottom then there’s only a few words that are unrelated to the actual message! What’s worse, top posting or no snipping?

Re: [CentOS] Fedora change that will probably affect RHEL

2015-07-30 Thread Lamar Owen
On 07/29/2015 07:40 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 4:37 PM, Warren Young wrote: Security is *always* opposed to convenience. False. OS X by default runs only signed binaries, and if they come from the App Store they run in a sandbox. User gains significant security with this,

Re: [CentOS] Fedora change that will probably affect RHEL

2015-07-30 Thread Lamar Owen
On 07/28/2015 03:06 PM, Chris Adams wrote: Once upon a time, Warren Young said: Much of the evil on the Internet today — DDoS armies, spam spewers, phishing botnets — is done on pnwed hardware, much of which was compromised by previous botnets banging on weak SSH passwords. Since most of tha

Re: [CentOS] Top posting or not/ no snipping : was rsyslog.conf

2015-07-30 Thread Wes James
What’s even more irritating to me than top posting is when someone replies to a message that takes two page scrolls to get to the bottom then there’s only a few words that are unrelated to the actual message! What’s worse, top posting or no snipping? -wes _

Re: [CentOS] why no recent bind update for CentOS 6?

2015-07-30 Thread Phelps, Matthew
On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 5:37 AM, Johnny Hughes wrote: > On 07/29/2015 07:27 PM, Nathan Duehr wrote: > >> > >> On Jul 29, 2015, at 18:20, Nathan Duehr wrote: > >> > >>> On Jul 28, 2015, at 18:48, Peter wrote: > >>> > >>> On 07/29/2015 11:51 AM, Noam Bernstein wrote: > Hi CentOS developers -

Re: [CentOS] why no recent bind update for CentOS 6?

2015-07-30 Thread Leon Fauster
Am 30.07.2015 um 12:53 schrieb Johnny Hughes : > On 07/30/2015 04:37 AM, Johnny Hughes wrote: >> >> Because we do CR, CentOS users had access to the 6.7 updates a full 3 >> days before anyone else made them available and CR was released less >> than 5 days after the release of RHEL 6.7. >> > > F

Re: [CentOS] how to get bug fixed by TUV

2015-07-30 Thread Johnny Hughes
On 07/30/2015 06:22 AM, Andrew Holway wrote: > The Redhat guys are normally responding very well to bug reports from > Centos users. They don't seem to differentiate. Using bugs.centos.org seems > quite pointless. I normally just use https://bugzilla.redhat.com/. That is true, using bugs.centos.or

Re: [CentOS] how to get bug fixed by TUV

2015-07-30 Thread Andrew Holway
On 30 July 2015 at 13:22, Andrew Holway wrote: > The Redhat guys are normally responding very well to bug reports from > Centos users. They don't seem to differentiate. Using bugs.centos.org seems > quite pointless. I normally just use https://bugzilla.redhat.com/. > Sorry for the top post. Didn

Re: [CentOS] how to get bug fixed by TUV

2015-07-30 Thread Andrew Holway
The Redhat guys are normally responding very well to bug reports from Centos users. They don't seem to differentiate. Using bugs.centos.org seems quite pointless. I normally just use https://bugzilla.redhat.com/. On 30 July 2015 at 13:12, Johnny Hughes wrote: > On 07/30/2015 03:37 AM, Stijn De W

Re: [CentOS] how to get bug fixed by TUV

2015-07-30 Thread Johnny Hughes
On 07/30/2015 03:37 AM, Stijn De Weirdt wrote: > hi all, > > i have a general question (a bit surprised ti's not on the centos faq): > > we found a bug in a package in a centos install, and we are wondering > what the best approach is to get TUV to fix it (and release an update), > so it gets fix

Re: [CentOS] why no recent bind update for CentOS 6?

2015-07-30 Thread Johnny Hughes
On 07/30/2015 04:37 AM, Johnny Hughes wrote: > On 07/29/2015 07:27 PM, Nathan Duehr wrote: >>> >>> On Jul 29, 2015, at 18:20, Nathan Duehr wrote: >>> On Jul 28, 2015, at 18:48, Peter wrote: On 07/29/2015 11:51 AM, Noam Bernstein wrote: > Hi CentOS developers - I’ve been happily

Re: [CentOS] Last few days in CentOS

2015-07-30 Thread Peter
On 07/30/2015 09:00 PM, Karanbir Singh wrote: >> Re the kernel, how do the Springdale/PUIAS handle this issue? It might >> be worth copying their approach and/or coordinating. > > I dont believe they do either, they are disabling/enableing stuff in the > kernel's to be different from the x86_64 u

Re: [CentOS] why no recent bind update for CentOS 6?

2015-07-30 Thread Johnny Hughes
On 07/29/2015 07:27 PM, Nathan Duehr wrote: >> >> On Jul 29, 2015, at 18:20, Nathan Duehr wrote: >> >>> On Jul 28, 2015, at 18:48, Peter wrote: >>> >>> On 07/29/2015 11:51 AM, Noam Bernstein wrote: Hi CentOS developers - I’ve been happily using CentOS for several years now, so thanks fo

Re: [CentOS] why no recent bind update for CentOS 6?

2015-07-30 Thread Leon Fauster
Am 30.07.2015 um 02:27 schrieb Nathan Duehr : >> >> On Jul 29, 2015, at 18:20, Nathan Duehr wrote: >> >>> On Jul 28, 2015, at 18:48, Peter wrote: >>> >>> On 07/29/2015 11:51 AM, Noam Bernstein wrote: >>> >>> It's currently in the CentOS CR repository and will be released when >>> CentOS 6.7 d

Re: [CentOS] why no recent bind update for CentOS 6?

2015-07-30 Thread Peter Kjellström
On Wed, 29 Jul 2015 12:48:14 +1200 Peter wrote: > On 07/29/2015 11:51 AM, Noam Bernstein wrote: > > Hi CentOS developers - I’ve been happily using CentOS for several > > years now, so thanks for all the good work. In the last week, > > however, I noticed that while the items in RHSA-2015:1443 ha

Re: [CentOS] Last few days in CentOS

2015-07-30 Thread Karanbir Singh
On 30/07/15 00:20, Ian Pilcher wrote: > On 07/29/2015 04:53 PM, Karanbir Singh wrote: >> the biggest blocker to going GA on the x86 build is the kernel; the >> distro kernel we end up with isnt going to be the same as the upstream >> x86_64 kernel configs. However, there hasent been a huge level of

[CentOS] how to get bug fixed by TUV

2015-07-30 Thread Stijn De Weirdt
hi all, i have a general question (a bit surprised ti's not on the centos faq): we found a bug in a package in a centos install, and we are wondering what the best approach is to get TUV to fix it (and release an update), so it gets fixed in centos rebuild and thus on our nodes. or at the very