Re: [CentOS] CentOS 7 : create RAID arrays manually using mdadm --create ?

2015-02-10 Thread Chris Murphy
On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 9:12 PM, John R Pierce wrote: > On 2/10/2015 6:54 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: >> >> Why I avoid swap on md raid 1/10 is because of the swap caveats listed >> under man 4 md. Is possible for a page in memory to change between the >> writes to the two md devices such that the mir

Re: [CentOS] Another Fedora decision

2015-02-10 Thread Always Learning
On Tue, 2015-02-10 at 21:04 -0700, Chris Murphy wrote: > What libraries offer is not only legal, it's important to keep this > intact. Publishers have variably been very unreasonable abrogating the > first-sale doctrine when it comes to ebook versions. It's a case where > I believe in no shade of

Re: [CentOS] CentOS 7 : create RAID arrays manually using mdadm --create ?

2015-02-10 Thread John R Pierce
On 2/10/2015 6:54 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: Why I avoid swap on md raid 1/10 is because of the swap caveats listed under man 4 md. Is possible for a page in memory to change between the writes to the two md devices such that the mirrors are in fact different. The man page only suggests this makes s

Re: [CentOS] Another Fedora decision

2015-02-10 Thread Chris Murphy
On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 8:55 PM, Always Learning wrote: > Before an unnecessary riot starts perhaps I should mention I've borrowed > 'The Book' from a public library :-) FYI my comments are restricted the PDF floating around of the recommended UNIX and Linux System Admin book. That's definitely

Re: [CentOS] Another Fedora decision

2015-02-10 Thread Always Learning
On Tue, 2015-02-10 at 21:32 -0600, Valeri Galtsev wrote: > Indeed I should have said "allegedly pirated" not just "pirated". As I > don't care to go into details if it is or it isn't. I also would recommend > to finish this discussion and those who feel so get themselves some > fundamental book

Re: [CentOS] Another Fedora decision

2015-02-10 Thread Valeri Galtsev
On Tue, February 10, 2015 7:36 pm, Always Learning wrote: > > On Tue, 2015-02-10 at 19:19 -0600, Valeri Galtsev wrote: > > >> Just to make it clear: I recommended the book itself without pointing to >> any source of it, and when pirate copy was mentioned by somebody else, I >> had to say I do not

Re: [CentOS] CentOS 7 : create RAID arrays manually using mdadm --create ?

2015-02-10 Thread Chris Murphy
On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 1:13 PM, Les Mikesell wrote: > On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 1:54 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: >> >> - I would not put swap on an md device, I'd just put a plain swap >> partition on each device; first create two swap mountpoints, > > If one of the devices fails, doesn't that mean th

Re: [CentOS] Another Fedora decision

2015-02-10 Thread Chris Murphy
On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 6:29 PM, Always Learning wrote: > > On Tue, 2015-02-10 at 17:14 -0800, John R Pierce wrote: > >> On 2/10/2015 4:58 PM, Always Learning wrote: >> > You have absolutely no prima facie evidence to support your assertion. >> >> Seriously? from page 5 of said PDF. >> >> Co

Re: [CentOS] Another Fedora decision

2015-02-10 Thread Chris Murphy
On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 5:39 PM, John R Pierce wrote: > On 2/10/2015 3:28 PM, Always Learning wrote: >> >> 3. The Russian's web site is that of a devote cyclist. > > > oh, well, I'm glad that makes the copyright violation of stealing an authors > work OK in your book. This thread has gone quite o

Re: [CentOS] Another Fedora decision

2015-02-10 Thread Gordon Messmer
On 02/10/2015 05:29 PM, Always Learning wrote: Legal point 1: you do not know the source of the Russian's PDF. Legal point 2: you can not determine with certainty that the said PDF is *not* a lawful copy. Legal point 3: you can not establish the Russian's possession of the PDF is *not* lawful.

Re: [CentOS] Another Fedora decision

2015-02-10 Thread John R Pierce
On 2/10/2015 5:29 PM, Always Learning wrote: Legal point 1: you do not know the source of the Russian's PDF. doesn't matter. Legal point 2: you can not determine with certainty that the said PDF is *not* a lawful copy. I know that *I* don't have the rights to read that PDF, and I suspect

Re: [CentOS] Another Fedora decision

2015-02-10 Thread Always Learning
On Tue, 2015-02-10 at 19:19 -0600, Valeri Galtsev wrote: > Just to make it clear: I recommended the book itself without pointing to > any source of it, and when pirate copy was mentioned by somebody else, I > had to say I do not recommend that source and would recommend to buy the > book on amaz

Re: [CentOS] Another Fedora decision

2015-02-10 Thread Always Learning
On Tue, 2015-02-10 at 17:14 -0800, John R Pierce wrote: > On 2/10/2015 4:58 PM, Always Learning wrote: > > You have absolutely no prima facie evidence to support your assertion. > > Seriously? from page 5 of said PDF. > > Copyright © 2011 Pearson Education, Inc. All rights reserved. >

Re: [CentOS] Another Fedora decision

2015-02-10 Thread Always Learning
On Tue, 2015-02-10 at 17:59 -0700, Warren Young wrote: > > On Feb 10, 2015, at 4:28 PM, Always Learning wrote: > > > > 2. PDFs can be created by *NON-ADOBE* software. > > And SWFs can be generated by non-Adobe software, and JARs can be generated by > non-Oracle software. What’s your point?

Re: [CentOS] Another Fedora decision

2015-02-10 Thread Valeri Galtsev
On Tue, February 10, 2015 6:58 pm, Always Learning wrote: > > On Tue, 2015-02-10 at 16:39 -0800, John R Pierce wrote: >> On 2/10/2015 3:28 PM, Always Learning wrote: >> > 3. The Russian's web site is that of a devote cyclist. >> >> oh, well, I'm glad that makes the copyright violation of stealing

Re: [CentOS] Another Fedora decision

2015-02-10 Thread John R Pierce
On 2/10/2015 4:58 PM, Always Learning wrote: You have absolutely no prima facie evidence to support your assertion. Seriously? from page 5 of said PDF. Copyright © 2011 Pearson Education, Inc. All rights reserved. Printed in the United States of America. This publication is protecte

Re: [CentOS] Another Fedora decision

2015-02-10 Thread Warren Young
> On Feb 10, 2015, at 4:28 PM, Always Learning wrote: > > 2. PDFs can be created by *NON-ADOBE* software. And SWFs can be generated by non-Adobe software, and JARs can be generated by non-Oracle software. What’s your point? Is it that only Evil Corporations can create software that can be us

Re: [CentOS] Another Fedora decision

2015-02-10 Thread Always Learning
On Tue, 2015-02-10 at 16:39 -0800, John R Pierce wrote: > On 2/10/2015 3:28 PM, Always Learning wrote: > > 3. The Russian's web site is that of a devote cyclist. > > oh, well, I'm glad that makes the copyright violation of stealing an > authors work OK in your book. Another bored expert despera

Re: [CentOS] Another Fedora decision

2015-02-10 Thread Always Learning
On Tue, 2015-02-10 at 16:24 -0800, Keith Keller wrote: > On 2015-02-10, Always Learning wrote: > > > > My decisions are based on what I know. Those decisions can be called > > "informed decisions". > > Calling them "informed decisions" doesn't automatically make them > informed decisions. This

Re: [CentOS] Another Fedora decision

2015-02-10 Thread John R Pierce
On 2/10/2015 3:28 PM, Always Learning wrote: 3. The Russian's web site is that of a devote cyclist. oh, well, I'm glad that makes the copyright violation of stealing an authors work OK in your book. -- john r pierce 37N 122W somewhere on the middle of the

Re: [CentOS] Another Fedora decision

2015-02-10 Thread Keith Keller
On 2015-02-10, Always Learning wrote: > > My decisions are based on what I know. Those decisions can be called > "informed decisions". Calling them "informed decisions" doesn't automatically make them informed decisions. --keith -- kkel...@wombat.san-francisco.ca.us _

[CentOS] Do I need these?

2015-02-10 Thread Mark LaPierre
Hey Y'all, I got a package update notice this evening for package augeas-libs. As is my practice I figured I would check to see if I needed the package or if I could just delete it thus obviating the need to install the upgrade. This is what yum has to say about the package and it's sole depende

Re: [CentOS] Another Fedora decision

2015-02-10 Thread Always Learning
On Tue, 2015-02-10 at 23:28 +, Always Learning wrote: > 3. The Russian's web site is that of a *devout* cyclist. -- Regards, Paul. England, EU. Je suis Charlie. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/lis

Re: [CentOS] Another Fedora decision

2015-02-10 Thread Always Learning
Valeri and Warren, My decisions are based on what I know. Those decisions can be called "informed decisions". I am not abdicating anything to you two gentlemen. -- Regards, Paul. England, EU. Je suis Charlie. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@c

Re: [CentOS] Another Fedora decision

2015-02-10 Thread Always Learning
On Tue, 2015-02-10 at 15:04 -0700, Warren Young wrote: > > On Feb 9, 2015, at 12:12 PM, John R Pierce wrote: > > > > On 2/9/2015 11:06 AM, Always Learning wrote: > >> The third item was a 16.1 MB PDF of 1,344 pages. A quick scan of the PDF > >> shows every page appears to be readable. 11 pages

Re: [CentOS] CentOS 7 will not run pre-installation script

2015-02-10 Thread Gordon Messmer
On 02/10/2015 06:53 AM, Chris Beattie wrote: i thought it was better to use the even number revisions. I think the even numbers advice only applies to Star Trek movies. The "even number" thing was coincidental and subjective, and pre-dates RHEL. If it was ever true, it hasn't been true since

Re: [CentOS] Another Fedora decision

2015-02-10 Thread Valeri Galtsev
On Tue, February 10, 2015 4:04 pm, Warren Young wrote: >> On Feb 9, 2015, at 12:12 PM, John R Pierce wrote: >> >> On 2/9/2015 11:06 AM, Always Learning wrote: >>> The third item was a 16.1 MB PDF of 1,344 pages. A quick scan of the >>> PDF >>> shows every page appears to be readable. 11 pages de

Re: [CentOS] Another Fedora decision

2015-02-10 Thread Warren Young
> On Feb 9, 2015, at 12:12 PM, John R Pierce wrote: > > On 2/9/2015 11:06 AM, Always Learning wrote: >> The third item was a 16.1 MB PDF of 1,344 pages. A quick scan of the PDF >> shows every page appears to be readable. 11 pages devoted to BASH. >> Information on other interesting topics too. >

Re: [CentOS] LUKS on EL6 / enable block device after reboot

2015-02-10 Thread Always Learning
On Tue, 2015-02-10 at 22:08 +0100, Leon Fauster wrote: > Is there an easy way (cli) to enable a luks encrypted partition > after reboot (a partition that was not enabled while booting, > because not in the crypttab). > > I can execute the necessary command stack [1] but just wondering if > t

[CentOS] LUKS on EL6 / enable block device after reboot

2015-02-10 Thread Leon Fauster
Is there an easy way (cli) to enable a luks encrypted partition after reboot (a partition that was not enabled while booting, because not in the crypttab). I can execute the necessary command stack [1] but just wondering if there is an "enterprise/easy" way to do that ... [1] cryptsetup luksO

Re: [CentOS] KISS networking with CentOS 7

2015-02-10 Thread Scott Robbins
On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 08:36:15PM +, Always Learning wrote: > > On Tue, 2015-02-10 at 12:34 -0500, Scott Robbins wrote: > > > Granted, if you move the drive to a machine with a different brand of NIC, > > you'll have to edit /etc/rc.conf to reflect the new name. > > Is /etc/rc.conf exclusi

Re: [CentOS] KISS networking with CentOS 7

2015-02-10 Thread Jonathan Billings
On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 08:36:15PM +, Always Learning wrote: > Is /etc/rc.conf exclusively C7 ? Can't find it on C5 and C6. More like FreeBSD (and other BSDs). -- Jonathan Billings ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org

Re: [CentOS] KISS networking with CentOS 7

2015-02-10 Thread Always Learning
On Tue, 2015-02-10 at 12:34 -0500, Scott Robbins wrote: > Granted, if you move the drive to a machine with a different brand of NIC, > you'll have to edit /etc/rc.conf to reflect the new name. Is /etc/rc.conf exclusively C7 ? Can't find it on C5 and C6. -- Regards, Paul. England, EU.

Re: [CentOS] CentOS 7 : create RAID arrays manually using mdadm --create ?

2015-02-10 Thread Les Mikesell
On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 1:54 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: > > - I would not put swap on an md device, I'd just put a plain swap > partition on each device; first create two swap mountpoints, If one of the devices fails, doesn't that mean that any processes with swap on the associated space will be kil

Re: [CentOS] CentOS 7 : create RAID arrays manually using mdadm --create ?

2015-02-10 Thread Chris Murphy
On Mon, Feb 9, 2015 at 11:57 PM, Niki Kovacs wrote: > I'd like to be able to create either a simple RAID 1 layout with two disks, > with a separate /boot partition, or a simple RAID 5 layout with 4 disks, > with a separate /boot partition too. The installer can create either of these layouts in

Re: [CentOS] KISS networking with CentOS 7

2015-02-10 Thread Scott Robbins
On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 05:24:53PM +0100, Niki Kovacs wrote: > Le 10/02/2015 17:20, m.r...@5-cent.us a écrit : > >Please explicate - offlist is fine. I really dislike the naming > >convention I was installing on a new HP dl560 g8, and it came up with > >ensf1 (which is*great* fun if you're try

Re: [CentOS] Packages not available in CentOS 7

2015-02-10 Thread Les Mikesell
On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 12:08 AM, Venkateswara Rao Dokku wrote: > Thanks for the reply. > > I did clean installation of the CentOS 7 and wanted to install the list of > packages in the above mail, but couldn't get them installed. > > Can you please help me in installing the above packages? mod_pe

Re: [CentOS] KISS networking with CentOS 7

2015-02-10 Thread Niki Kovacs
Le 10/02/2015 17:20, m.r...@5-cent.us a écrit : Please explicate - offlist is fine. I really dislike the naming convention I was installing on a new HP dl560 g8, and it came up with ensf1 (which is*great* fun if you're trying to do a pxeboot build) The CentOS FAQ explains how to restor

[CentOS] Central hostname management?

2015-02-10 Thread Niki Kovacs
Hi, Our local school has a 100 % Slackware Linux network with two servers and 14 desktop clients. The main server is running Dnsmasq, and he's providing static IP addresses to the desktop clients. Hostnames are also managed centrally. All client machines only have this in /etc/hosts: 127.0

Re: [CentOS] KISS networking with CentOS 7

2015-02-10 Thread Niki Kovacs
Le 10/02/2015 15:35, Niki Kovacs a écrit : So far, no way to bring either eth0 or eth1 up. What am I doing wrong here? Is NetworkManager now a mandatory part of the base system? Some other mistake somewhere else? I'm a bit puzzled here. I'll answer that myself, after some more experimenting.

Re: [CentOS] libguestfs-winsupport

2015-02-10 Thread Johnny Hughes
On 02/09/2015 08:56 AM, Steve Clark wrote: > On 02/09/2015 09:34 AM, Robert Nichols wrote: >> On 02/06/2015 07:56 AM, Steve Clark wrote: >>> Hello List, >>> >>> Does anyone know why this is not available in CentOS 6.6. I found it in >>> a SL repo but not in CentOS. >> I opened http://bugs.centos.or

Re: [CentOS] CentOS 7 will not run pre-installation script

2015-02-10 Thread Chris Beattie
On 2/9/2015 9:15 PM, g wrote:> > On 02/09/2015 05:10 PM, Mark LaPierre wrote: >> >> That's my plan too. I figure that I'll try it when it gets to 7.3. > > i thought it was better to use the even number revisions. I think the even numbers advice only applies to Star Trek movies. CentOS 7.3 will

Re: [CentOS] SELinux context for ssh host keys?

2015-02-10 Thread Jonathan Billings
On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 09:34:13AM -0500, James B. Byrne wrote: > I am startled to learn, if it is a fact, that existing SELinux policy > is tied to the default file names. Given that the host key file names > are user configurable in in sshd_config one would think that a > slightly more flexible

[CentOS] KISS networking with CentOS 7

2015-02-10 Thread Niki Kovacs
Hi, I'm currently experimenting with CentOS 7 on a couple of installations. I'm reasonably proficient with CentOS 5.x and 6.x. I'd like to manage networking using a more traditional approach (Keep It Simple Stupid). Here's what I tried so far, starting from a minimal install: Install net-to

Re: [CentOS] SELinux context for ssh host keys?

2015-02-10 Thread James B. Byrne
On Tue, February 10, 2015 09:25, James B. Byrne wrote: By mistake. Sorry for the otherwise empty quoted reply. I have no idea what I pressed that sent it off while I was reading. And, since I am committed to writing anyway, recall that a host key goes into /etc/ssh. Personal keys go into ~/.s

Re: [CentOS] SELinux context for ssh host keys?

2015-02-10 Thread James B. Byrne
On Tue, February 10, 2015 04:18, Andrew Holway wrote: > On 10 February 2015 at 06:32, Mark Tinberg > wrote: > >> >> > On Feb 9, 2015, at 12:27 PM, Robert Nichols >> >> wrote: >> > >> > On 02/09/2015 11:14 AM, James B. Byrne wrote: >> >> So, I decided to run restorecon -v to >> >> >> ... >> >> re

Re: [CentOS] Gnome-3 - can't drag menu items out

2015-02-10 Thread Les Mikesell
On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 4:18 AM, Ron Yorston wrote: > Les Mikesell wrote: >>I've mostly been using MATE from epel when I use GUI access on CentOS7 >>because it works with x2go, but just noticed on a system with Gnome3 >>that I can't drag items out of the menus to the desktop or top bar for >>easie

Re: [CentOS] Packages installation in CentOs

2015-02-10 Thread Jonathan Billings
On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 03:29:50PM +0530, Venkateswara Rao Dokku wrote: > > Thanks for the quick reply. > I couldn't install the following packages also in the CentOS 7 > > 1. python-numeric It's built for EPEL 6 and Fedora, they maintainer probably needs to branch it for EPEL7. > 2. system-conf

Re: [CentOS] Packages not available in CentOS 7

2015-02-10 Thread Leon Fauster
Am 10.02.2015 um 07:08 schrieb Venkateswara Rao Dokku : > Thanks for the reply. > > I did clean installation of the CentOS 7 and wanted to install the list of > packages in the above mail, but couldn't get them installed. > > Can you please help me in installing the above packages? Please read t

Re: [CentOS] Gnome-3 - can't drag menu items out

2015-02-10 Thread Ron Yorston
Les Mikesell wrote: >I've mostly been using MATE from epel when I use GUI access on CentOS7 >because it works with x2go, but just noticed on a system with Gnome3 >that I can't drag items out of the menus to the desktop or top bar for >easier access. Is there some way to make the desktop space usef

Re: [CentOS] Packages installation in CentOs

2015-02-10 Thread Venkateswara Rao Dokku
Thanks for the quick reply. I couldn't install the following packages also in the CentOS 7 1. python-numeric 2. system-config-services 3. perl-BSD-Resource 4. Perl-Net-IP 5.system-config-nfs 6.ipspec-tools Can you please suggest best way to install the above listed packages on CentOs 7? Are the

Re: [CentOS] SELinux context for ssh host keys?

2015-02-10 Thread Andrew Holway
On 10 February 2015 at 06:32, Mark Tinberg wrote: > > > On Feb 9, 2015, at 12:27 PM, Robert Nichols > wrote: > > > > On 02/09/2015 11:14 AM, James B. Byrne wrote: > >> So, I decided to run restorecon -v to > >> > ... > >> restorecon reset /etc/ssh/ssh_host_rsa_key_4096 context > >> unconfined_u: