[CentOS] SATA vs. SAS

2007-08-21 Thread Rajeev R Veedu
I have 8 WD SATA HDD with raid ready (3mbps) hard disks on a 8 port 3ware controller.(on raid 5.) Does anyone have a comparison on SATA raid and SAS raid disk. As you know SAS disk are very expensive and I would like to know from experts in the list who could suggest which of the following would be

Re: [CentOS] Hot swap SATA?

2007-08-21 Thread Les Mikesell
Lamar Owen wrote: Should it be possible to hot-swap SATA drives with Centos5? Depends on the SATA controller, but yes. If the controller allows, you can hotswap sata drives. How are the names supposed to work when one may be missing at bootup and added later? I thought the system would

Re: [CentOS] Hot swap SATA?

2007-08-21 Thread Feizhou
Would it have to smarts to live partition type FD alone? s/live/leave/ note to self: Don't go to bed at 2AM, get up at 7AM and post on mailing lists later. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos

Re: [CentOS] Hot swap SATA?

2007-08-21 Thread Feizhou
Lamar Owen wrote: On Tuesday 21 August 2007, Feizhou wrote: Les Mikesell wrote: Jim Perrin wrote: Should it be possible to hot-swap SATA drives with Centos5? Depends on the SATA controller, but yes. If the controller allows, you can hotswap sata drives. How are the names supposed to work

Re: [CentOS] Hot swap SATA?

2007-08-21 Thread Lamar Owen
On Tuesday 21 August 2007, Feizhou wrote: > Les Mikesell wrote: > > Jim Perrin wrote: > >>> Should it be possible to hot-swap SATA drives with Centos5? > >> Depends on the SATA controller, but yes. If the controller allows, you > >> can hotswap sata drives. > > How are the names supposed to work

[CentOS] "Parallel port is busy; retry in 30 seconds..."

2007-08-21 Thread Mark Hull-Richter
How do I clear this condition? Must I reboot, or is there a less drastic action? Thanks. mhr ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos

RE: [CentOS] High Performance SSH/SCP - HPN-SSH

2007-08-21 Thread Yuji Tsuchimoto
Dear Ray and all, Thanks for your reply! > This would be pretty cool. Would it be appropriate for CentOS Plus? Yes, you are right. It is better to merge it into mainstream. And also you informed us another similar development will be included in the next OpenSSH. That sounds nice. We will receiv

[CentOS] Progress on the decTOP

2007-08-21 Thread Robert Moskowitz
The unit has two sets of two USB ports. Each port is marked. One for the keyboard, another for the mouse, a third for the ethernet, and the forth for the printer. If I put the USB DVD/CDRW in the mouse port, and the keyboard in the printer port, I see the USB driver loading, and the CD is re

Re: [CentOS] simplest boot to set hardware clock

2007-08-21 Thread Robert Moskowitz
Got it. D''nSmallLinux CD and boot with DSL 2 Robert Moskowitz wrote: Well I found a significant source of my problems with these decTOPs. Hardware clock is back at Jan 2006. And many things fail. And there is no way to access the bios from a boot sequence. On the one I discovered this

Re: [CentOS] Hot swap SATA?

2007-08-21 Thread Gordon McLellan
Just to add my 5 cents (centos 5 cents that is har har)... I have several plain jane seagate sata drives, connected mostly to nforce4 sata (module sata_nv) controller, and a few connected to a silicon image controller (sata_sil) ... hot swap is a non issue for me. All my drives are part of MD ra

Re: [CentOS] Hot swap SATA?

2007-08-21 Thread Feizhou
Les Mikesell wrote: Jim Perrin wrote: Should it be possible to hot-swap SATA drives with Centos5? It doesn't seem to work on my system. Removing an unmounted drive locked the system up, and leaving one out at bootup makes the devices change names and keeps grub from finding /boot on a scsi dr

Re: [CentOS] OT: Suggestions for database for physicians patient records?

2007-08-21 Thread Craig White
On Tue, 2007-08-21 at 14:51 -0700, Steven Vishoot wrote: > --- Lanny Marcus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On 8/20/07, Lanny Marcus > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > To everyone who responded, thank you! I will be > > reading (and studying!) > > your replies and trying to come up with the

[CentOS] simplest boot to set hardware clock

2007-08-21 Thread Robert Moskowitz
Well I found a significant source of my problems with these decTOPs. Hardware clock is back at Jan 2006. And many things fail. And there is no way to access the bios from a boot sequence. On the one I discovered this, I watched everything get errors during all the reboots a Trixbox instal

Re: [CentOS] OT: Suggestions for database for physicians patient records?

2007-08-21 Thread Steven Vishoot
--- Lanny Marcus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 8/20/07, Lanny Marcus > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > To everyone who responded, thank you! I will be > reading (and studying!) > your replies and trying to come up with the best > suggestion(s) for the > doctor to consider. Lanny > > __

[CentOS] Re: Using HTTP proxy for yum

2007-08-21 Thread Scott Moseman
On 8/21/07, Scott Moseman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > proxy=http://hostname.domain.com/ > proxy_username=domain\myusername > proxy_password=mypassword > Oh, sure, the moment I sent the email, it started working... LOL Thanks, Scott ___ CentOS mailing

Re: [CentOS] Using HTTP proxy for yum

2007-08-21 Thread Dogsbody
Is there a way to use an HTTP proxy (with a user/pass) with yum? Or at least a way to pass a user/pass through yum? I have a situation with a CentOS server behind a web filter appliance. Add the following to /etc/wgetrc http_proxy = http://username:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:8080/ ftp_proxy = http:/

[CentOS] Re: Using HTTP proxy for yum

2007-08-21 Thread Scott Moseman
Found what I was trying to find in yum.conf, but it's not working... proxy=http://hostname.domain.com/ proxy_username=domain\myusername proxy_password=mypassword # yum check-update Loading "installonlyn" plugin Setting up repositories Could not retrieve mirrorlist http://mirrorlist.centos.org/?re

[CentOS] Using HTTP proxy for yum

2007-08-21 Thread Scott Moseman
Is there a way to use an HTTP proxy (with a user/pass) with yum? Or at least a way to pass a user/pass through yum? I have a situation with a CentOS server behind a web filter appliance. Thanks, Scott ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://li

Re: [CentOS] dialog boxes on X

2007-08-21 Thread Ray Van Dolson
On Tue, Aug 21, 2007 at 04:48:30PM -0400, Jim Perrin wrote: > On 8/21/07, Jerry Geis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Something in your mail client seems to really hate threading properly. > > > Jim - on my 4.5 system this is what gdialog says... > > > > gdialog --help > > gdialog is a compatibilit

Re: [CentOS] dialog boxes on X

2007-08-21 Thread Jim Perrin
On 8/21/07, Jerry Geis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Something in your mail client seems to really hate threading properly. > Jim - on my 4.5 system this is what gdialog says... > > gdialog --help > gdialog is a compatibility wrapper around zenity, provided to hopefully > allow older scripts to run.

[CentOS] dialog boxes on X

2007-08-21 Thread Jerry Geis
On 8/21/07, Jerry Geis http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos>> wrote: / All, />>/ />>/ I have been looking at zenity to pop up messages on the X screen. />>/ Is there another alternative to zenity that I have not found? />>/ />>/ I need to be able to completely remove the OK button, I

Re: [CentOS] dialog boxes on X

2007-08-21 Thread Jim Perrin
On 8/21/07, Jerry Geis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > All, > > I have been looking at zenity to pop up messages on the X screen. > Is there another alternative to zenity that I have not found? > > I need to be able to completely remove the OK button, I cannot find a > way in zenity to do this. > > al

[CentOS] dialog boxes on X

2007-08-21 Thread Jerry Geis
All, I have been looking at zenity to pop up messages on the X screen. Is there another alternative to zenity that I have not found? I need to be able to completely remove the OK button, I cannot find a way in zenity to do this. also It would be nice to have a --timeout 5 option on the command

Re: [CentOS] OT: Suggestions for database for physicians patient records?

2007-08-21 Thread Lanny Marcus
On 8/20/07, Lanny Marcus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: To everyone who responded, thank you! I will be reading (and studying!) your replies and trying to come up with the best suggestion(s) for the doctor to consider. Lanny ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@c

Re: [CentOS] Trying to understand Remote desktops

2007-08-21 Thread Les Mikesell
Robert Moskowitz wrote: I don't know about a minimum X install, but I've been very happy with freenx on centos 5, connecting as easily from mac, PC, or linux. in my lab (human brain imaging), we do remote graphics display all the time, openoffice definitely works. I wanted to be able to work f

Re: [CentOS] Diskless client from system-config-netboot doesn't boot.

2007-08-21 Thread Tomas Ruprich
Tue, Aug 21, 2007 ve 02:42:33PM -0400, David Mackintosh napsal: > On Mon, Aug 20, 2007 at 10:14:51AM -0400, R P Herrold wrote: > > On Mon, 20 Aug 2007, Sophana wrote: > > > > >David Mackintosh a écrit : > > > > >>I've followed a set of instructions I found on > > >>http://www.linuxtopia.org/onlin

Re: [CentOS] Trying to understand Remote desktops

2007-08-21 Thread Jeremy Gray
> Do you run the server in init 5? Or can it run in init 3? Trying to save > memory on the server > I've only tried run level 5... ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos

Re: [CentOS] Trying to understand Remote desktops

2007-08-21 Thread Alvin Chang
On 21/08/07, Robert Moskowitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Do you run the server in init 5? Or can it run in init 3? > > Trying to save memory on the server > > But wait, the client has even LESS memory :( The NX server is not a daemon. The NX client will ssh into the server as user nx with S

Re: [CentOS] Trying to understand Remote desktops

2007-08-21 Thread Alvin Chang
On 21/08/07, Kai Schaetzl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I looked on that page and I see that it integrates with SSH and can use > SSL natively. Does NX have any advantages beyond that over VNC? NX is event-based; VNC is session-based in real-time. -- Alvin Chang Yu-Ming ___

Re: [CentOS] Trying to understand Remote desktops

2007-08-21 Thread Robert Moskowitz
Jeremy Gray wrote: So here we are, in the modern times with GNOME (I chose that over KDE, because), and Open Office, Thunderbird, and lots of other nice graphical apps. I want to run the apps on an app server and access them for a thin client. I am familiar with the K12

Re: [CentOS] RAID storage - SATA, SCSI, or Fibre Channel?

2007-08-21 Thread David Mackintosh
On Mon, Aug 20, 2007 at 04:23:49PM -0400, Scott Ehrlich wrote: > I have a Dell PowerEdge 2950 and am looking to add more storage. I know a > lot of factors can go into the type of answer given, but for present and > future technology planning, should I look for a rack of SATA, SCSI, or > fibre

Re: [CentOS] Trying to understand Remote desktops

2007-08-21 Thread Jeremy Gray
Kai, I looked on that page and I see that it integrates with SSH and can use > SSL natively. Does NX have any advantages beyond that over VNC? I'd say nx wins on security, speed, and admin hassle-factor, at least based on my limited experience and for my needs (small research lab in a university

Re: [CentOS] Re: High Performance SSH/SCP - HPN-SSH

2007-08-21 Thread Ray Van Dolson
Also note that this: https://bugzilla.mindrot.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1311 Will be in OpenSSH 4.7. It's not HPN but appears to have some similar goals and approaches. Of course, unlikely that this would enter CentOS until 6.0. But perhaps the fact that's it's "official" might make it a little bi

Re: [CentOS] Re: High Performance SSH/SCP - HPN-SSH

2007-08-21 Thread Ray Van Dolson
On Tue, Aug 21, 2007 at 07:48:32PM +0100, Karanbir Singh wrote: > >I know Fedora had a pretty good thread on the possibility of adding > >this, but I think it was sort of decided against. Felt it was more > >appropriate to push OpenSSH to add support for this type of thing. > > url to the thread

Re: [CentOS] Trying to understand Remote desktops

2007-08-21 Thread Craig White
On Tue, 2007-08-21 at 20:31 +0200, Kai Schaetzl wrote: > Jeremy Gray wrote on Tue, 21 Aug 2007 09:31:15 -0400: > > > FAQ, http://wiki.centos.org/HowTos/FreeNX > > I looked on that page and I see that it integrates with SSH and can use > SSL natively. Does NX have any advantages beyond that over

[CentOS] Re: High Performance SSH/SCP - HPN-SSH

2007-08-21 Thread Karanbir Singh
Ray Van Dolson wrote: On Wed, Aug 22, 2007 at 03:28:10AM +0900, Yuji Tsuchimoto wrote: Dear CentOS lovers, Could you consider to include a patch, http://www.psc.edu/networking/projects/hpn-ssh/ for openssh maybe as CentosPlus packages? It has great speed impact for long-distance ( high delay )

[CentOS] Re: Trying to understand Remote desktops

2007-08-21 Thread Scott Silva
Kai Schaetzl spake the following on 8/21/2007 11:31 AM: > Jeremy Gray wrote on Tue, 21 Aug 2007 09:31:15 -0400: > >> FAQ, http://wiki.centos.org/HowTos/FreeNX > > I looked on that page and I see that it integrates with SSH and can use > SSL natively. Does NX have any advantages beyond that over

Re: [CentOS] Diskless client from system-config-netboot doesn't boot.

2007-08-21 Thread David Mackintosh
On Mon, Aug 20, 2007 at 10:14:51AM -0400, R P Herrold wrote: > On Mon, 20 Aug 2007, Sophana wrote: > > >David Mackintosh a écrit : > > >>I've followed a set of instructions I found on > >>http://www.linuxtopia.org/online_books/centos_linux_guides/centos_enterprise_linux_sysadmin_guide/ch-diskless

[CentOS] Install stops seeing USB CDrom

2007-08-21 Thread Robert Moskowitz
I have sought information on this in the past. I have a decTOP that I can install DSL on with no trouble from my USB DVD/CDRW drive. Centos won't. Neither 4.4 or 5.0 The boot starts, the CD is being read. After I respond to language, it stops saying it can't find the CD. If I go the linu

Re: [CentOS] High Performance SSH/SCP - HPN-SSH

2007-08-21 Thread Ray Van Dolson
On Wed, Aug 22, 2007 at 03:28:10AM +0900, Yuji Tsuchimoto wrote: > Dear CentOS lovers, > > Could you consider to include a patch, > http://www.psc.edu/networking/projects/hpn-ssh/ > for openssh maybe as CentosPlus packages? > It has great speed impact for long-distance ( high delay ) transfer. Th

Re: [CentOS] Trying to understand Remote desktops

2007-08-21 Thread Kai Schaetzl
Jeremy Gray wrote on Tue, 21 Aug 2007 09:31:15 -0400: > FAQ, http://wiki.centos.org/HowTos/FreeNX I looked on that page and I see that it integrates with SSH and can use SSL natively. Does NX have any advantages beyond that over VNC? Kai -- Kai Schätzl, Berlin, Germany Get your web at Conacti

Re: [CentOS] Hot swap SATA?

2007-08-21 Thread Jim Perrin
On 8/21/07, Les Mikesell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Jim Perrin wrote: > How are the names supposed to work when one may be missing at bootup and > added later? In theory, this should be handled with LABEL=foo, instead of using /dev/sdxY, however all the cards I've seen allowing hotswap are raid

[CentOS] High Performance SSH/SCP - HPN-SSH

2007-08-21 Thread Yuji Tsuchimoto
Dear CentOS lovers, Could you consider to include a patch, http://www.psc.edu/networking/projects/hpn-ssh/ for openssh maybe as CentosPlus packages? It has great speed impact for long-distance ( high delay ) transfer. Regards, Yuji Tsuchimoto ___ Cent

Re: [CentOS] Hot swap SATA?

2007-08-21 Thread Les Mikesell
Jim Perrin wrote: Should it be possible to hot-swap SATA drives with Centos5? It doesn't seem to work on my system. Removing an unmounted drive locked the system up, and leaving one out at bootup makes the devices change names and keeps grub from finding /boot on a scsi drive that is shifted u

Re: [CentOS] Hot swap SATA?

2007-08-21 Thread Jim Perrin
On 8/21/07, Jason Pyeron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Which controllers allow it? Well, I don't happen to have a comprehensive list handy, but Serveraid 8x series cards in our x3650 and x3850's support this. I believe 3ware also has some products that support hotswap. The backplane and controlle

RE: [CentOS] Hot swap SATA?

2007-08-21 Thread Jason Pyeron
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Re: [CentOS] Hot swap SATA?

2007-08-21 Thread Jim Perrin
On 8/21/07, Les Mikesell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Should it be possible to hot-swap SATA drives with Centos5? It doesn't > seem to work on my system. Removing an unmounted drive locked the > system up, and leaving one out at bootup makes the devices change names > and keeps grub from finding

[CentOS] Hot swap SATA?

2007-08-21 Thread Les Mikesell
Should it be possible to hot-swap SATA drives with Centos5? It doesn't seem to work on my system. Removing an unmounted drive locked the system up, and leaving one out at bootup makes the devices change names and keeps grub from finding /boot on a scsi drive that is shifted up. -- Les Mike

Re: [CentOS] can't login to remote cvs server

2007-08-21 Thread Kanwar Ranbir Sandhu
On Mon, 2007-08-20 at 15:05 -0400, Kanwar Ranbir Sandhu wrote: > I'm stumped. I can't figure out why cvs keeps saying the repository > doesn't exist. I'm missing something critical, obviously. > > Does anyone have any ideas about what I'm doing wrong? I figured it out. Since I setup a couple o

Re: [CentOS] Problems reading a backup data DVD

2007-08-21 Thread Mark Hull-Richter
On 8/21/07, Brent L. Bates <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The desktop icon only means you have a drive, it doesn't mean a disc is > mounted. > Interesting - I only get a desktop icon (in gnome) when a disc is in fact mounted. As previously stated, I don't get the icon for discs that don't moun

[CentOS] Re: Kernel

2007-08-21 Thread Scott Silva
centos spake the following on 8/21/2007 4:45 AM: > Thanks every one for all your help, > > using VNC seems to be a good option for those who has no access to console > and want to install Centos remotely, however just to test , I tried to > upgrade > Centos 4.5 to Centos 5, but it progressed almos

RE: [CentOS] RAID storage - SATA, SCSI, or Fibre Channel?

2007-08-21 Thread Ross S. W. Walker
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Scott Ehrlich > Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 4:24 PM > To: centos@centos.org > Subject: [CentOS] RAID storage - SATA, SCSI, or Fibre Channel? > > I have a Dell PowerEdge 2950 and am looking to add mor

RE: [CentOS] Tracking how many open files a process has?

2007-08-21 Thread Ross S. W. Walker
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Christian Nygaard > Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 7:59 AM > To: CentOS mailing list > Subject: [CentOS] Tracking how many open files a process has? > > I'm getting a "Too many open files" on a fileser

Re: [CentOS] Trying to understand Remote desktops

2007-08-21 Thread Les Mikesell
Robert Moskowitz wrote: This is something that has been long overdue for me to set up, and how I am looking it hard in the face. Back in '94, I was doing REAL X-Terminals into UNIX systems. Watching simple mouse meanderings eat up all available bandwidth, and forget it if you resized a windo

Re: [CentOS] Trying to understand Remote desktops

2007-08-21 Thread Jeremy Gray
> So here we are, in the modern times with GNOME (I chose that over KDE, > because), and Open Office, Thunderbird, and lots of other nice graphical > apps. > > I want to run the apps on an app server and access them for a thin > client. I am familiar with the K12TLSP project, but right now I want

Re: [CentOS] GFS availability in Centos5

2007-08-21 Thread Tomas Ruprich
Hi, try http://www.centos.org/docs/5/html/Global_File_System/ and http://www.centos.org/docs/5/html/Global_File_System/s1-sysreq-rhcs.html regards - Tomáš Ruprich [EMAIL PROTECTED] OKV UIKT

RE: [CentOS] How do I Get Notified of REPO Updates?

2007-08-21 Thread Lamar Owen
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of John Thomas >Anyone have a script to check a repo for updates and list the new files? yum check-update If you don't have the repo configured in yum, you can write a repo config, put it in /etc/yum.repos.d, and set enabled to 0.  Then use --enablerepo on it,

[CentOS] Trying to understand Remote desktops

2007-08-21 Thread Robert Moskowitz
This is something that has been long overdue for me to set up, and how I am looking it hard in the face. Back in '94, I was doing REAL X-Terminals into UNIX systems. Watching simple mouse meanderings eat up all available bandwidth, and forget it if you resized a window and had to download the

[CentOS] GFS availability in Centos5

2007-08-21 Thread Joachim Backes
Hi, does Centos-5 support the GFS filesystem and the RedHat cluster suite? I did not find anything in the FAQs. Regards Joachim Backes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> University of Kaiserslautern,Computer Center [RHRK], Systems and Operations, High Performance Computing, D-67653 Kaiserslautern, PO Box 30

Re: [CentOS] How do I Get Notified of REPO Updates?

2007-08-21 Thread Steve Huff
On Aug 21, 2007, at 8:49 AM, John Thomas wrote: Anyone have a script to check a repo for updates and list the new files? `yum list updates` gives you a list of packages installed on your system for which updates are available. `yum list recent` gives you a list of packages that have rece

[CentOS] How do I Get Notified of REPO Updates?

2007-08-21 Thread John Thomas
Anyone have a script to check a repo for updates and list the new files? -- Sincerely, John Thomas ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos

[CentOS] Re: Tracking how many open files a process has?

2007-08-21 Thread Tony Mountifield
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Christian Nygaard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'm getting a "Too many open files" on a fileserver. > Is it possible to list how many open files each process has? If so how do > you do that? Have a look at the "lsof" command. Cheers Tony -- Tony Mountifield Wor

[CentOS] CentOS-announce Digest, Vol 30, Issue 7

2007-08-21 Thread centos-announce-request
Send CentOS-announce mailing list submissions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-announce or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can reac

[CentOS] Tracking how many open files a process has?

2007-08-21 Thread Christian Nygaard
I'm getting a "Too many open files" on a fileserver. Is it possible to list how many open files each process has? If so how do you do that? Greets, Chris ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos

Re: [CentOS] Re: Kernel

2007-08-21 Thread centos
Thanks every one for all your help, using VNC seems to be a good option for those who has no access to console and want to install Centos remotely, however just to test , I tried to upgrade Centos 4.5 to Centos 5, but it progressed almost to the end and then stoped with some error. nothing upg

Re: [CentOS] Problems reading a backup data DVD

2007-08-21 Thread Brent L. Bates
The desktop icon only means you have a drive, it doesn't mean a disc is mounted. -- Brent L. Bates (UNIX Sys. Admin.) M.S. 912 Phone:(757) 865-1400, x204 NASA Langley Research CenterFAX:(757) 865-8177 Hampton, Virginia 23681-0001 Email: [E