KC11 with KY-11C vs KA11 with KY11-A Re: A very sad PDP-8/S

2018-11-04 Thread Steve Malikoff via cctalk
Noel said > I just had a look at my -11/20 (the two are basically the same machine; the > /15 was intended for the OEM market, the /20 the end-user), and it has an > intermediate between this, and the final incandescent bulb form (as on the > -11/45), where there were bulbs with plastic bases plugg

Re: A very sad PDP-8/S

2018-11-04 Thread Guy Dunphy via cctalk
The writeup for this machine is here: http://everist.org/NobLog/20181104_PDP-8S.htm For those who are interested. Guy

Re: A very sad PDP-8/S

2018-11-04 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 11/03/2018 09:48 PM, Steve Malikoff via cctalk wrote: Later PDP-8 models used "bi-pin base" bulbs that had a factory-molded-on base and a pair of sturdy pins. Sounds very /360-ish :) Well, sort of the same idea, but not that close. The 360 had metal cases with the pins in a plastic rear piec

Re: A very sad PDP-8/S

2018-11-04 Thread Noel Chiappa via cctalk
> From: Steven Malikoff >> The bulbs had "flying leads" coming out of the glass, no bases ... The >> bulbs just hovered over the PCB > It makes me wonder if the 11/15 is much the same. I just had a look at my -11/20 (the two are basically the same machine; the /15 was intended f

Re: A very sad PDP-8/S

2018-11-04 Thread Ethan Dicks via cctalk
On Sun, Nov 4, 2018 at 12:31 AM Guy Dunphy via cctalk wrote: > Incidentally, several people called the material used for the lamps shroud > plate 'MDF.' > It's not, it's that high density cloth+bakelite (or something) material used > for electrical switchboard panels. Very tough stuff. Ah. Fro

Re: A very sad PDP-8/S

2018-11-03 Thread Brent Hilpert via cctalk
On 2018-Nov-03, at 9:27 PM, Guy Dunphy via cctalk wrote: . . . > The front panel is in pieces atm. And clean now. > Incidentally, several people called the material used for the lamps shroud > plate 'MDF.' > It's not, it's that high density cloth+bakelite (or something) material used > for electr

Re: A very sad PDP-8/S

2018-11-03 Thread Guy Dunphy via cctalk
At 10:18 AM 4/11/2018 +1000, Steve wrote: >The "PDP dash eight oblique S" back in 1968 in 'What the future sounded like': > https://youtu.be/8KkW8Ul7Q1I?t=638 Cool, thanks for that. Ah, Hawkwind... Damn, that 'left all the synths in the basement, and it got flooded' story is painful. In my opi

Re: A very sad PDP-8/S

2018-11-03 Thread Steve Malikoff via cctalk
Ethan said >> If there are any special 8/S lightbulb housings that were plastic, I'm happy >> to CAD them up and 3D print... > > Nope. That's now how these worked. The bulbs had "flying leads" > coming out of the glass, no bases, and the light barrier was a bit of > MDF with holes in it (the MDF

Re: A very sad PDP-8/S

2018-11-03 Thread Ethan Dicks via cctalk
On Sat, Nov 3, 2018 at 8:18 PM Steve Malikoff via cctalk wrote: > Guy said > > ...I've received a PDP-8/S... > > The "PDP dash eight oblique S" back in 1968 in 'What the future sounded > like': https://youtu.be/8KkW8Ul7Q1I?t=638 Fantastic little piece showing off one. > If there are any speci

Re: A very sad PDP-8/S

2018-11-03 Thread Steve Malikoff via cctalk
Guy said > This is rather sad. > I've received a PDP-8/S. It turns out to be missing so much, that it's > probably beyond restoration. > Anyone who can think of potential ways to find the missing parts, please > speak up. > > http://everist.org/pics/PDP-8S/ > The "PDP dash eight oblique S" back

Re: A very sad PDP-8/S

2018-11-03 Thread Toby Thain via cctalk
On 2018-11-03 7:24 p.m., Guy Dunphy via cctalk wrote: > ... > As for the LED color, how about super-bright blue? Or violet? RGB, shimmering and cycling, of course. /me runs

Re: A very sad PDP-8/S

2018-11-03 Thread Guy Dunphy via cctalk
A huge thanks to everyone providing useful information and resource links, on and off list. My apologies; I'm a bit overloaded atm, and am getting behind on individual replies. I'm keeping all replies and will respond eventually. About the front panel lights board: It's a relief to discover that

Re: A very sad PDP-8/S

2018-11-03 Thread ED SHARPE via cctalk
the   SMECC  8s   I  seem to  remember a  case  around it? looking at  google  this  looks  just  like that  case around it   ok  look  below  this  photo   for  the link  or photo  of the  8i that looked  like a  decwritter  case... sadly  over  30 years had  anough  parts  to  put  one of th

Re: A very sad PDP-8/S

2018-11-03 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
One thought - it is possible that light panels from some other model of computer, possibly not even PDP-8 related, might be the same base PC board as the 8/S panel. DEC made a LOT of light panels for all the CPUs and control units on larger machines. At least some of them were made from the

Re: A very sad PDP-8/S

2018-11-03 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 11/02/2018 11:13 PM, Guy Dunphy via cctalk wrote: This is rather sad. I've received a PDP-8/S. It turns out to be missing so much, that it's probably beyond restoration. Anyone who can think of potential ways to find the missing parts, please speak up. http://everist.org/pics/PDP-8S/ Missi

Re: A very sad PDP-8/S

2018-11-03 Thread ED SHARPE via cctalk
That  is actually a  great  idea!    Even if  you have   covers for  many  different  computers,  the insides  are  usually  more fascinating than the outsides  of  a  unit!   Ed #  www.smecc.org                In a message dated 11/3/2018 7:14:33 AM US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk@classiccmp

Re: A very sad PDP-8/S

2018-11-03 Thread Guy Dunphy via cctalk
At 09:14 AM 3/11/2018 -0500, Adrian Stoness wrote: >get some thick plexi glass to cover it and sit it up for display to look in >but not touch ;) Good idea! And easy to add to the simple base frame I had in mind. Zero changes to the machine. I was too stuck in modern fast digital thinking - 'RF

Re: A very sad PDP-8/S

2018-11-03 Thread Bob Rosenbloom via cctalk
On Saturday, November 3, 2018 7:14 AM, Adrian Stoness via cctalk wrote: get some thick plexi glass to cover it and sit it up for display to look in but not touch ;) On Sat, Nov 3, 2018 at 9:08 AM Guy Dunphy via cctalk wrote: > At 04:34 AM 3/11/2018 -0700, Al Kossow wrote: > >On 11/

Re: A very sad PDP-8/S

2018-11-03 Thread Adrian Stoness via cctalk
get some thick plexi glass to cover it and sit it up for display to look in but not touch ;) On Sat, Nov 3, 2018 at 9:08 AM Guy Dunphy via cctalk wrote: > At 04:34 AM 3/11/2018 -0700, Al Kossow wrote: > >On 11/3/18 1:00 AM, Guy Dunphy via cctalk wrote: > > > >> I only received this machine on T

Re: A very sad PDP-8/S

2018-11-03 Thread Guy Dunphy via cctalk
At 04:34 AM 3/11/2018 -0700, Al Kossow wrote: >On 11/3/18 1:00 AM, Guy Dunphy via cctalk wrote: > >> I only received this machine on Thursday, opened the box properly on Friday >> and found it was missing such >> such major parts. It belongs to the ACMS (Australian Computer Museum >> Society) bu

Re: A very sad PDP-8/S

2018-11-03 Thread Al Kossow via cctalk
On 11/3/18 4:34 AM, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote: On 11/3/18 1:00 AM, Guy Dunphy via cctalk wrote: I only received this machine on Thursday, opened the box properly on Friday and found it was missing such such major parts. It belongs to the ACMS (Australian Computer Museum Society) but with the

Re: A very sad PDP-8/S

2018-11-03 Thread Al Kossow via cctalk
On 11/3/18 1:00 AM, Guy Dunphy via cctalk wrote: I only received this machine on Thursday, opened the box properly on Friday and found it was missing such such major parts. It belongs to the ACMS (Australian Computer Museum Society) but with the way things are going with them and their storage

Re: A very sad PDP-8/S

2018-11-03 Thread Guy Dunphy via cctalk
For the information of others with PDP 8 machines, my PDP-8/S came with some original manuals, in good condition. Sample: http://everist.org/pics/PDP-8S/20181103_1569_manuals.jpg Here's a list of them. If by chance any of these are missing from scanned collections online, please let me know. I c

Re: A very sad PDP-8/S

2018-11-03 Thread Guy Dunphy via cctalk
At 11:40 PM 2/11/2018 -0500, you wrote: >still supper clean id love to have that even I know how you feel. I've never had _any_ possibility of finding an old PDP machine before. Very happy to have this one. Re dirt - actually it's pretty grimy. I did a preliminary dust off for the pics, but lat

Re: A very sad PDP-8/S

2018-11-03 Thread Guy Dunphy via cctalk
At 01:29 AM 3/11/2018 -0400, you wrote: >yes... the I/O for a tty is on a separate mounting outside the cpu I recall >for some reason... I need to pull out or S and another classic 8 from >storage. as I recall there is a spare cLassic 8 front panel... snd it can >find a new home. If that'

Re: A very sad PDP-8/S

2018-11-03 Thread Ethan Dicks via cctalk
On Sat, Nov 3, 2018 at 1:12 AM Lyle Bickley via cctalk wrote: > On Sat, 03 Nov 2018 15:13:16 +1100 > Guy Dunphy via cctalk wrote: > > > This is rather sad. > > I've received a PDP-8/S. It turns out to be missing so much, that > > it's probably beyond restoration. Anyone who can think of potential

Re: A very sad PDP-8/S

2018-11-02 Thread ED SHARPE via cctalk
yes... the I/O for a tty is on a separate mounting outside the cpu I recall for some reason... I need to pull out or S and another classic 8 from storage. as I recall there is a spare cLassic 8 front panel... snd it can find a new home. The S I want to.put in museum display next to our cl

Re: A very sad PDP-8/S

2018-11-02 Thread Lyle Bickley via cctalk
On Sat, 03 Nov 2018 15:13:16 +1100 Guy Dunphy via cctalk wrote: > This is rather sad. > I've received a PDP-8/S. It turns out to be missing so much, that > it's probably beyond restoration. Anyone who can think of potential > ways to find the missing parts, please speak up. > > http://everist.or

Re: A very sad PDP-8/S

2018-11-02 Thread Adrian Stoness via cctalk
still supper clean id love to have that even

Re: A very sad PDP-8/S

2018-11-02 Thread William Donzelli via cctalk
> - Front panel PCB, > - Case top AND bottom, > - Power supply. > - Some flip-chip slots are empty. Not sure if supposed to be. It is actually not all that sad looking. The blinkenlights board will be hard to find. I might have a power supply. It is likely it never had a top and bottom cover