RE: dd-equivalent for VMS

2017-06-17 Thread Richard Loken via cctalk
On Sat, 17 Jun 2017, Rob Jarratt via cctalk wrote: I have cloned drives that way for VMS systems. Backup/image is the tool for that. So have I, but it doesn't work for tapes. Unless someone knows a trick that I have not discovered? No, backup won't do what you want. Backup is designed to

RE: dd-equivalent for VMS

2017-06-17 Thread Rob Jarratt via cctalk
> -Original Message- > From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Rick > Murphy via cctalk > Sent: 17 June 2017 14:06 > To: cctalk@classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: dd-equivalent for VMS > > On 6/17/2017 4:04 AM, Rob Jarratt via cctalk wrote: &g

Re: dd-equivalent for VMS

2017-06-17 Thread Rick Murphy via cctalk
On 6/17/2017 4:04 AM, Rob Jarratt via cctalk wrote: On 06/16/2017 09:04 AM, Ed Thierbach via cctalk wrote: BACKUP/IMAGE might work. I have a dim recollection of moving system drives around that way, but it's been a few decades. :-) I have cloned drives that way for VMS systems. Backup/image i

RE: dd-equivalent for VMS

2017-06-17 Thread Rob Jarratt via cctalk
> Sounds like you're about to try another approach. > > If you end up giving VMS another go then this might work: > > $ MOUNT/FOREIGN yourtapedevice: > > Then > > $ COPY yourtapedevice: somefilename.rawdata > > > I remember doing something similar many years ago to get RT11 data off an > RX02

RE: dd-equivalent for VMS

2017-06-17 Thread Rob Jarratt via cctalk
> -Original Message- > From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of allison via > cctalk > Sent: 16 June 2017 17:22 > To: Ed Thierbach via cctalk > Subject: Re: dd-equivalent for VMS > > On 06/16/2017 09:04 AM, Ed Thierbach via cctalk wrote

Re: dd-equivalent for VMS

2017-06-16 Thread allison via cctalk
On 06/16/2017 09:04 AM, Ed Thierbach via cctalk wrote: > BACKUP/IMAGE might work. I have a dim recollection of moving system drives > around that way, but it's been a few decades. :-) I have cloned drives that way for VMS systems. Backup/image is the tool for that. Allison > Best of luck, an

Re: dd-equivalent for VMS

2017-06-16 Thread Antonio Carlini via cctalk
On 16/06/17 18:30, Rob Jarratt via cctalk wrote: I have had multiple interesting and useful answers. Thanks everyone. I checked on VMS 7.3 and there is no COPY/IMAGE there. BACKUP/IMAGE had been my first thought, but it won't accept a tape as the source of the image data unfortunately. I have

RE: dd-equivalent for VMS

2017-06-16 Thread Rob Jarratt via cctalk
n Behalf Of Robert > DiRosario via cctalk > Sent: 16 June 2017 15:28 > To: cct...@classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: dd-equivalent for VMS > > You could remove the disk from your Ultrix box, install another diskand > install > NetBSD. The Pmax version works on the DEC MIPS > b

Re: dd-equivalent for VMS

2017-06-16 Thread Robert DiRosario via cctalk
You could remove the disk from your Ultrix box, install another diskand install NetBSD.  The Pmax version works on the DEC MIPS boxes:http://wiki.netbsd.org/ports/pmax/.  You could also do that on your DECAlpha. The TK50Z should be a SCSI drive, you could also just move the drive to another UNI

Re: dd-equivalent for VMS

2017-06-16 Thread systems_glitch via cctalk
I used a TZ30 under Linux. I found that the TZ30 mechanism is significantly less troublesome than the TK50 (IIRC the TK50Z is the same mechanism with a SCSI interface board). Used an Adaptec AHA-1522 ISA SCSI controller. FWIW, my TK50 cartridges seemed to be suffering from tape stickiness. 30 minu

Re: dd-equivalent for VMS

2017-06-16 Thread Ed Thierbach via cctalk
BACKUP/IMAGE might work. I have a dim recollection of moving system drives around that way, but it's been a few decades. :-) Best of luck, and let us know how it goes. -Ed- On Fri, Jun 16, 2017 at 8:46 AM, Paul Koning via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > > On Jun 16, 2017, at 3:00 AM,

Re: dd-equivalent for VMS

2017-06-16 Thread Paul Koning via cctalk
> On Jun 16, 2017, at 3:00 AM, Chris Hanson via cctalk > wrote: > > On Jun 15, 2017, at 11:30 PM, Rob Jarratt via cctalk > wrote: >> >> Is there a dd equivalent for VMS? > > I’m pretty sure PIP is the “dd” equivalent on DEC operating systems in > general. No, "pip" is a file manipulation

Re: dd-equivalent for VMS

2017-06-16 Thread Pontus Pihlgren via cctalk
On Fri, Jun 16, 2017 at 12:00:00AM -0700, Chris Hanson via cctalk wrote: > On Jun 15, 2017, at 11:30 PM, Rob Jarratt via cctalk > wrote: > > > > Is there a dd equivalent for VMS? > > I’m pretty sure PIP is the “dd” equivalent on DEC operating systems in > general. > COPY can be used on raw d

Re: dd-equivalent for VMS

2017-06-16 Thread Chris Hanson via cctalk
On Jun 15, 2017, at 11:30 PM, Rob Jarratt via cctalk wrote: > > Is there a dd equivalent for VMS? I’m pretty sure PIP is the “dd” equivalent on DEC operating systems in general. -- Chris