Re: [ccp4bb] how to remove part of data with bad signal to noise ratio

2011-05-24 Thread Clement Angkawidjaja
Hi Seema, Small addition to the already abundant suggestions, if you have high solvent content or significant portion of non-observable density, you normally get higher R-free. Clement Clement Angkawidjaja, PhD. G30 Assistant Professor -

Re: [ccp4bb] how to remove part of data with bad signal to noise ratio

2011-05-24 Thread Herman . Schreuder
This is not my experience. Provided the solvent is featureless, I find that a high solvent contents leads to a lower Rfree due to a kind of solvent flattening effect. Of course, if a significant part of the molecule(s) is/are disordered, this will lead to a degradation of the Rfree. My 2 cents, H

Re: [ccp4bb] do we have to exclude Rfree columns when generating the real space density maps?

2011-05-24 Thread Eleanor Dodson
The default output for REFMAC Missing Data: For those reflections where the FP are missing, mFo is set equal to dFc. Hence the terms become FWT=dFC and DELFWT=0.0. the Rfree reflections are counted as "missing" hence there shouldnt be any bias intoroduced towards those Fobs assigned as free

[ccp4bb] problem with ccp4 6.1.13

2011-05-24 Thread Seema Nath
Recently I've installed CCP4 6.1.13 (RHL4) to use refmac 5.5 twinning refinement (as stated in the current version) but the program list shows refmac5 instead of the current one. So I followed the thread- >Re: [ccp4bb] refmac 5.6 and the ccp4i task interface >Garib N Murshudov >Wed, 29 Sep 2010

Re: [ccp4bb] how to remove part of data with bad signal to noise ratio

2011-05-24 Thread Clement Angkawidjaja
But you have to do solvent flattening (density modification), which people often (unintentionally?) skip for structures solved with molecular replacement. Please correct me if I am wrong. Clement On May 24, 2011, at 6:01 PM, herman.schreu...@sanofi-aventis.com wrote: > This is not my experienc

Re: [ccp4bb] how to remove part of data with bad signal to noise ratio

2011-05-24 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Dear Clement, In case of a noisy experimental map, you have to do explicit solvent flattening. However, in case of molecular replacement, if the model occupies only say 30% of the asymmetric unit, the solvent where there is no model, will be flattened automatically. You can also view it like this:

Re: [ccp4bb] how to remove part of data with bad signal to noise ratio

2011-05-24 Thread Anastassis Perrakis
I think you are just confused. The solvent flattening is just a step to make your map clearer. You do not carry the modified phases from solvent flattening to refinement (and I sincerely hope you don't refine against the solvent flattened amplitudes but against the original data!) Herman's obse

Re: [ccp4bb] how to remove part of data with bad signal to noise ratio

2011-05-24 Thread Ian Tickle
It's also possible that a lower Rfree is the result of reduced overfitting, because increased solvent content pushes up the obs/param ratio, i.e. the unit-cell volume is greater so you get more reflections for a given resolution cutoff, while the no of parameters stays about the same (i.e. there's

Re: [ccp4bb] problem with ccp4 6.1.13

2011-05-24 Thread David Waterman
Dear Seema Nath, Following that thread, Refmac5 is the name you gave to CCP4i to refer to the program. The important thing is which binary is linked to that name. Run a Refmac job and check the log. The version number is at the top. Cheers -- David On 24 May 2011 10:14, Seema Nath wrote: > R

Re: [ccp4bb] do we have to exclude Rfree columns when generating the real space density maps?

2011-05-24 Thread cowtan
If you run coot with the FWT/PHWT columns from refmac, you are fine because refmac omits the observed F and substitutes a calculated F, giving a map which is rather less biased by omission of the free set while not contaminating the free set. The buccaneer/refmac pipeline does the same. On Tue, 2

Re: [ccp4bb] how to remove part of data with bad signal to noise ratio

2011-05-24 Thread Clement Angkawidjaja
Dear Herman, You are right. Thank you for the explanation. Clement > Dear Clement, > > In case of a noisy experimental map, you have to do explicit solvent > flattening. However, in case of molecular replacement, if the model > occupies only say 30% of the asymmetric unit, the solvent where ther

[ccp4bb] Ubiquitin E2-E3 co-crystallization

2011-05-24 Thread manjeet mukherjee
Hi all, I am working on a newly identified E3 ubiquitin ligase (RING type). I am interested to co-crystallize it with E2 enzyme. Among the papers reported so far, which are just a few, people have used a mixture of E2s including UbcH1, UbcH5 and UbcH6 for the ubiquitination assays. However, there

Re: [ccp4bb] Ubiquitin E2-E3 co-crystallization

2011-05-24 Thread Anirban Adhikari
Hi Manjeet, You are describing a rather complicated situation but you can try to sort it out in the following ways: 1. If you can make all the reagents i.e. your E3 ligase, all the putative E2s and E1, then you can do biochemical assays to figure out which E2's work. Boston Biochem sells E1 and a

[ccp4bb] Mosflm problem with CBF file

2011-05-24 Thread Allan Pang
Dear everyone, I sent this email to lu...@mrc-lmb.cam.ac.uk but it appears that the email is no longer active, so I'm hoping to get an input from you guys to troubleshoot this problem. I tried adding (.CBF) images onto Mosflm, which I recently acquired from Diamond. And this message immed

Re: [ccp4bb] Mosflm problem with CBF file

2011-05-24 Thread Harry Powell
Hi Allan Luke left us nearly two years ago, so if you got that message you must be running a very old copy of iMosflm! The cure to your problem is to install the latest versions of iMosflm (1.0.5) and Mosflm (7.0.7). On 24 May 2011, at 16:51, Allan Pang wrote: > Dear everyone, > > I sent thi

Re: [ccp4bb] how to remove part of data with bad signal to noise ratio

2011-05-24 Thread Dale Tronrud
On 5/24/2011 2:35 AM, herman.schreu...@sanofi-aventis.com wrote: Dear Clement, In case of a noisy experimental map, you have to do explicit solvent flattening. However, in case of molecular replacement, if the model occupies only say 30% of the asymmetric unit, the solvent where there is no mode

[ccp4bb] crystal bent once open cover slip

2011-05-24 Thread weikai
Hi Folks, We have some membrane protein crystals that are grown in 30%PEG400, 0.1M Na Citrate pH 4.5, 0.1M LiCl. The protein is purified in DDM. The crystals are long rods and grown under room temperature in a hanging drop set up. But once we open the cover slip, we see the rods start to bre

Re: [ccp4bb] crystal bent once open cover slip

2011-05-24 Thread Maia Cherney
You probably use hanging drops. It's the surface tension effect. Check if sitting drops are better. Maia Sitting drops weikai wrote: Hi Folks, We have some membrane protein crystals that are grown in 30%PEG400, 0.1M Na Citrate pH 4.5, 0.1M LiCl. The protein is purified in DDM. The crystals

Re: [ccp4bb] crystal bent once open cover slip

2011-05-24 Thread Mark J van Raaij
you could try sitting drops. Perhaps you can fish a crystal quicker, before it degrades. In sitting drops the crystals may also be further away from the drop surface and take longer to degrade. Or quickly add mineral oil to cover the sitting drop and fish the crystals through the oil. If this

Re: [ccp4bb] crystal bent once open cover slip

2011-05-24 Thread R. M. Garavito
Weikai, What you might be experiencing is a detergent effect, i.e., you are near a detergent-dependent crystallization boundary. We have been hit with this many times. Under vapor diffusion conditions, sitting or hanging drop, the protein-detergent complex crystallizes and the free/ bound

Re: [ccp4bb] Crystal structure and NMR structure

2011-05-24 Thread Michael Thompson
It's not a protein, but here's another example: the PreQ1 Riboswitch. In this case the two methods revealed different structures, but the NMR group was able to determine that the differences were due to calcium in the crystallization condition. Crystal Structure: Nat Struct Mol Biol. 2009 Mar;

[ccp4bb] French Press valve replacement

2011-05-24 Thread Chen Guttman
Dear CCP4 users, I apologize for the non-crystallography question. Our French Press valve have just been broken and we are looking for a replacement (see link for valve's image): http://www.cgp.co.il/Documentary/Zarivach-Lab/Misc/i-rcxfFhp/0/M/French-Press-Valve-M.jpg Please email me or zarivach[a