Re: [ccp4bb] while on the subject of stereo

2011-03-23 Thread Christoph Parthier
Those must be older ones... The current Nvidia shutter glasses we use are about 50g. http://www.nvidia.co.uk/object/product_GeForce_3D_VisionKit_uk.html Christoph Jürgen Bosch wrote: I think the weight of the shutter glasses puts them off. Compared to the 30g or less of the Zalmans the shutt

Re: [ccp4bb] while on the subject of stereo

2011-03-23 Thread Jürgen Bosch
I think the weight of the shutter glasses puts them off. Compared to the 30g or less of the Zalmans the shutter glasses feel like bricks. I would estimate them to at least 270g. After one hour wearing them you feel them on your nose. Jürgen .. Jürgen Bosch Johns Hopkins Blo

Re: [ccp4bb] while on the subject of stereo

2011-03-23 Thread Christoph Parthier
Hi Dave, We recently equipped a pool of 25 computers with Nvidia 3D shutter glasses, they're used in structural biology courses for undergraduate students of biochemistry . We teach mainly PyMOL, but (in an advanced course) also model building in COOT. Of course, we let the students decide w

Re: [ccp4bb] while on the subject of stereo

2011-03-23 Thread Jürgen Bosch
hout stereo, but having viewed their work, I beg to differ. >> >> Phoebe >> >> Original message ---- >>> Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2011 22:30:54 + >>> From: CCP4 bulletin board (on behalf of Jan Löwe >>> ) >>> Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] while

Re: [ccp4bb] while on the subject of stereo

2011-03-23 Thread Anastassis Perrakis
al message Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2011 22:30:54 + From: CCP4 bulletin board (on behalf of Jan Löwe ) Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] while on the subject of stereo To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Ah! The question of to stereo or not to stereo! There has to be a scientific reason why this question is more po

Re: [ccp4bb] while on the subject of stereo

2011-03-22 Thread Richard Edward Gillilan
2011, at 11:01 PM, Mayer, Mark (NIH/NICHD) [E] wrote: > what about the fashion statement made by cool glasses? > > From: Phoebe Rice [pr...@uchicago.edu] > Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2011 10:16 PM > To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK > Subject: Re: [ccp4

Re: [ccp4bb] while on the subject of stereo

2011-03-22 Thread Mayer, Mark (NIH/NICHD) [E]
what about the fashion statement made by cool glasses? From: Phoebe Rice [pr...@uchicago.edu] Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2011 10:16 PM To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] while on the subject of stereo My 2 cents worth on the stereo-dependent: 1

Re: [ccp4bb] while on the subject of stereo

2011-03-22 Thread Phoebe Rice
d (on behalf of Jan Löwe >) >Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] while on the subject of stereo >To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK > >Ah! The question of to stereo or not to stereo! There has to be a >scientific reason why this question is more popular than asking for what >Linux distro is m

Re: [ccp4bb] while on the subject of stereo

2011-03-03 Thread Ed Pozharski
On Wed, 2011-03-02 at 19:23 -0500, David Roberts wrote: > What I am really looking for is an answer to a > simple question in that is stereo a nice thing from a pedagogy > standpoint for showing students complex biomolecules. Of course it is. Exactly how much excitement it generates among the

Re: [ccp4bb] while on the subject of stereo

2011-03-03 Thread Sergei Strelkov
Dear Dave, Here come my five pence... I personally found stereo graphics useful in two cases. 1. When you first introduce students to biomolecular structure and/or biocrystallography. Showing stereo certainly helps 'building up' the initial fascination, which is very important of course. But sin

Re: [ccp4bb] while on the subject of stereo

2011-03-02 Thread David Roberts
Thanks for the comments, I do appreciate them. I guess we went off in a direction I wasn't thinking of - related to your personal like or dislike of stereo. What I am really looking for is an answer to a simple question in that is stereo a nice thing from a pedagogy standpoint for showing stu

Re: [ccp4bb] while on the subject of stereo

2011-03-02 Thread Pete Meyer
My take on things is that the helpfulness of stereo depends inversely on the resolution (and/or quality) of the data. If I'm dealing with a 4-5 Angstrom map, stereo is more or less required. For high quality 2-3 Angstrom data, not so much. For teaching purposes, it's probably a good idea to

Re: [ccp4bb] while on the subject of stereo

2011-03-01 Thread Jacob Keller
> I heard somewhere that the reason chickens (which have eyes on > the opposite sides of their heads, giving binocular vision a > different meaning) bob their heads up and down is to get a 3D > perspective. Check out egrets when they are fishing--definitely triangulating, maybe refraction-artifact

Re: [ccp4bb] while on the subject of stereo

2011-03-01 Thread Edward A. Berry
Jim Pflugrath wrote: One should be able to see 3D from the depth-cueing and by keeping the view in motion. Don't ever use stereo glasses in a public seminar. "putting the molecule in motion" is a good way to let the audience see 3D. I like to make a small animated gif ("rocking gif") which

Re: [ccp4bb] while on the subject of stereo

2011-03-01 Thread Jan Löwe
Ah! The question of to stereo or not to stereo! There has to be a scientific reason why this question is more popular than asking for what Linux distro is more fashionable this spring or why an Rmerge of 0.90 in the outermost shell is good for you and your structure. I am offering my two (conf

Re: [ccp4bb] while on the subject of stereo

2011-03-01 Thread Jim Pflugrath
I will offer my view. I hate stereo glasses and hate stereo in general. One should be able to see 3D from the depth-cueing and by keeping the view in motion. For fitting, I like to flip the view by 90 degrees. I know I am going to move in displayX and displayY, but never in displayZ. I then

Re: [ccp4bb] While on the subject of stereo

2008-05-14 Thread Warren DeLano
Hi David, This has already been done with PyMOL. There's a video at: http://molviz.cs.toronto.edu/molviz/ and the code is downloadable. The stereo effect isn't so great with both eyes open, but I do think there is potential for use of head or object tracking as a means of controlling rota