Re: [ccp4bb] freezing crystals grown in isopropanol condition

2010-04-10 Thread Patrick Shaw Stewart
Chris Isopropanol is said a very good precipitant but it's unpopular because it's so difficult to harvest crystals However there's a very convenient way to grow and harvest crystals in isopropanol using Vapor Batch plates. Basically you set up microbatch-under-oil drops containing all the ingred

Re: [ccp4bb] freezing crystals grown in isopropanol condition

2010-04-09 Thread Jim Pflugrath
In the instance where we grew crystals is isopropanol, we found they also grew in PEG6000. The best crystals grew in isopropanol, so we just harvested the crystals into a similar PEG6000 solution. I would imagine that you can get the crystals to grow in something beside isopropanol especially now

Re: [ccp4bb] freezing crystals grown in isopropanol condition

2010-04-09 Thread Scott Pegan
Nat, A few years ago I had K channel crystals that formed under similar conditions. I found that using MPD as a cryo-protectant worked best. As for the evaporation issue, I had a little extra time as I was performing the mounting in a cold room. Scott Pegan S, Arrabit C, Zhou W, Kwiatkowski W,

Re: [ccp4bb] freezing crystals grown in isopropanol condition

2010-04-09 Thread James Holton
Yes, oil is great, but you have to be careful to choose an oil in which the alcohol is not soluble, or the oil will suck it out of your drop, (just like air). This is particularly annoying with detergents, which are almost all soluble in oil. I've always thought that maybe some synthetic moto

Re: [ccp4bb] freezing crystals grown in isopropanol condition

2010-04-09 Thread Nathaniel Clark
I have wondered if placing a layer of oil over the drop would help solve the problem of the crystals moving around. Haven't tried it, but don't people harvest from a microbatch tray by dragging the loop and crystal through oil? Nat On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 11:21 AM, James Holton wrote: > Yes, iso

Re: [ccp4bb] freezing crystals grown in isopropanol condition

2010-04-09 Thread James Holton
Yes, isopropanol is a cryoprotectant, and a relatively good one. So are the other alcohols. It was even popular in the "olden days" when we would typically set up drops that were 5-10 microliters in volume (each!). These take a while (minutes) to evaporate, giving you enough working time to

Re: [ccp4bb] freezing crystals grown in isopropanol condition

2010-04-09 Thread Jose Antonio Cuesta Seijo
Working with isopropanol at room temperature and in a well ventialted environment is a nightmare. Everything moves around wildly until all the isopropanol has evaporated. Simply leaving the plate in the cold room for a couple of hours or overnight, and then doing all the mounting in the cold room a

Re: [ccp4bb] freezing crystals grown in isopropanol condition

2010-04-09 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Dear Chris, I recall from many years ago that we had a screening hit in high isopropanol, which started boiling violently when we opened the well. We "solved" the problem by using another precipitant but I would also be interested in tricks how to handle high isopropanol. Best regards, Herman