Re: [ccp4bb] extra high B factor

2007-05-01 Thread Jiamu Du
Thank you all. I think i have known the reason for the low occupancy. First, I co-crystallized the protein and peptide with a molar ratio 1:5. In this situation, the peptide likely would fully occupy the protein binding site. But the crystal is hard to freezen, so stepwise freezen method was used.

Re: [ccp4bb] extra high B factor

2007-04-30 Thread Bernhard Rupp
> If you assume atomic B-factors of 100 or larger and > calculate the density, I really can't see how this is possible. Well, I do. The recipe has been published in NSB as a cautionary tale. http://www.ruppweb.org/cvs/br/rupp_2001_NSB_questions_BotA.pdf and there is quite fail-safe away to inves

Re: [ccp4bb] extra high B factor

2007-04-30 Thread mesters
Dear Jiamu Du, what were the exact concentrations (Molar values please) of protein and peptide in the co-crystallization experiment? This may help in estimating the (possible) occupancy of your peptide. Jeroen. JDwrote: Does anyone know a program can perform the ocupancy refinement? Or we

Re: [ccp4bb] extra high B factor

2007-04-30 Thread Manfred S. Weiss
Dear all, Frankly speaking I am having some doubts about this whole discussion. 1. Apparently, it does not make a difference in R and Rfree whether the peptide is in the structure or not. This does suggest that there is very little (if any) information about the peptide in the data. Righ

Re: [ccp4bb] extra high B factor

2007-04-30 Thread artis
Shelx can refine occupancies. Arti > Does anyone know a program can perform the ocupancy refinement? > Or we always only refine B factor to reflect the occupancy? > > Thanks > > > On 4/30/07, Eleanor Dodson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> Well - it is extremely likely that the peptide is partially

Re: [ccp4bb] extra high B factor

2007-04-30 Thread Jiamu Du
Does anyone know a program can perform the ocupancy refinement? Or we always only refine B factor to reflect the occupancy? Thanks On 4/30/07, Eleanor Dodson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Well - it is extremely likely that the peptide is partially occupied and the occupancy may well be < 0.5..

Re: [ccp4bb] extra high B factor

2007-04-30 Thread Eleanor Dodson
Well - it is extremely likely that the peptide is partially occupied and the occupancy may well be < 0.5.. But at this resolution you are going to have great difficulty deciding whether you should have Occ=1.0 Occ = 0.5 Occ = 0.33 As your Rfactors show it makes very little difference t

Re: [ccp4bb] extra high B factor

2007-04-30 Thread Jiamu Du
Dear All: According to your suggestion, I have set the peptide's occupency to 0.5. Two strategies were employed. 1. Direct using Refmac restrained refinement for 10 cycles. The B factor only drops to around 100. R/Rf did not change, either. 2. Direct CNS B-fator refinemen. The B factor drops to a

Re: [ccp4bb] extra high B factor

2007-04-29 Thread Juergen Bosch
Hi Jiamu, is the high B-value of your protein due to motions, which are not modeled appropiately ? Which program by the way are you using for refinement ? Then the TLSMD server might help you here. Monomer or multimer in the asu ? NCS used, if so checked that they actually follow NCS and you'

Re: [ccp4bb] extra high B factor

2007-04-29 Thread Jiamu Du
I will try it soon. If it work, I will paste a sumary. Thanks On 4/30/07, Jacqueline Vitali <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hello, I think it is because the peptide does not have full occupancy. I do not know if it is OK to fix occupancy to 0.5 and do the refinement. That would bring temp factor