Re: [ccp4bb] Potential N-terminal cyclization cont.

2008-10-11 Thread Prof. Dr. Arne Skerra
Dear Gerwald, dear Artem, As, in the absence of quantum mechanical calculations, we can only speculate about the contribution of mesomeric states it seems to me from the data presented that the left formula (i.e. without the mesomeric effect) may match the structural situation, in particular

Re: [ccp4bb] Potential N-terminal cyclization - 2nd attempt with formula attached

2008-10-10 Thread artem
Hi, Not sure what you mean by 'other way around' - the formula you drew is what I was thinking about :) Mesomeric states in normal amidines are averaged and should result in planarity - since this case does not seem to have a planar geometry, there's a chance that the amidine never formed and the

Re: [ccp4bb] Potential N-terminal cyclization cont.

2008-10-10 Thread gerwald jogl
Thank you. I was thinking along the lines of amination but was concerned about the reactivity of the His nitrogen... To add more information about the system: this is an untagged thermophile protein, no His column used for purification. It was heated to 65 degC during purification at pH 6.8 a

Re: [ccp4bb] Potential N-terminal cyclization - 2nd attempt with formula attached

2008-10-10 Thread Prof. Dr. Arne Skerra
Dear Colleagues, The amidine originating from the condensation reaction between the Met N-formyl group and the His side chain should be the other way around! This would also be roughly consistent with the reported geometry. In fact, there should be two mesomeric states, provided there is N pr

Re: [ccp4bb] Potential N-terminal cyclization

2008-10-10 Thread Prof. Dr. Arne Skerra
Dear Colleagues, The amidine originating from the condensation reaction between the Met N-formyl group and the His side chain should be the other way around! This would also be roughly consistent with the reported geometry. I hope you can see the formula: Arne Skerra At 5:56 Uhr -0400

Re: [ccp4bb] Potential N-terminal cyclization

2008-10-09 Thread Artem Evdokimov
If you're 100% sure that this is only one atom then amination comes to mind. I have no clue what conditions would favor such reactivity but it is possible that the formyl group on the Met was aminated with the cyclic N of the histidine, resulting in either a substituted bis-amine (requires reductio