Re: [ccp4bb] Off topic: Crystal degredation with age

2009-02-09 Thread Roberto Steiner
Hi Ed, A bit late on the subject I have collected atomic resolution data (around 0.97A) on both bovine and porcine phospholipase A2 crystals which at the time of data collection were between 10-16 years old. Crystallization setup was liquid-liquid diffusion in glass capillaries. Diffe

Re: [ccp4bb] Off topic: Crystal degredation with age

2009-02-06 Thread Engin Ozkan
I have to second that. I recently had crystals that will only grow after seeding and will live for exactly five days. On the sixth day, the same drop will have tracks of dissolved crystals left in every drop: they almost look like tire tracks. The crystals frozen on the fifth day diffract to 2.

Re: [ccp4bb] Off topic: Crystal degredation with age

2009-02-06 Thread Edward A. Berry
For a counterexample, from Iwata's group, Horsefield et al. Succinate: quinone oxidoreductase Acta. Cryst.(2003). D59, 600-602: "It proved critical to freeze the crystals within 72 h of crystallization set-up. Crystals that were frozen after this time limit showed no diffraction. This alteratio

Re: [ccp4bb] Off topic: Crystal degredation with age

2009-02-06 Thread Brad Bennett
FWIW, many of the crystals used in "classical" neutron diffraction experiments were pretty elderly samples by the time data collection was initiated, partly to allow large crystals to grow ever larger, partly because of the mandatory deuterium exchange process and partly because the experiments las

Re: [ccp4bb] Off topic: Crystal degredation with age

2009-02-06 Thread Prof. Joel L. Sussman
As written in Jovine, L., Djordjevic, S. & Rhodes, D. (2000). “The crystal structure of yeast phenylalanine tRNA at 2.0 A resolution: cleavage by Mg(2+) in 15-year old crystals” J Mol Biol 301, 401-414. "Furthermore, the possibility of a Mg2+-catalysed cleavage of the phosphodiester bond

Re: [ccp4bb] Off topic: Crystal degredation with age

2009-02-05 Thread Leonard Thomas
I had a structure that was done with crystals that were about a year old. Initial crystals appeared in a less then a day and diffracted very poorly. In trying to make room for more trays I reexamined the old trays before throwing them out and low and behold nice well diffracting crystals.

Re: [ccp4bb] Off topic: Crystal degredation with age

2009-02-05 Thread Nathaniel Echols
Here's another very similar case: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12270703 On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 11:48 AM, William G. Scott < wgsc...@chemistry.ucsc.edu> wrote: > Some things improve with age. Here is one of my favorite stories: > > > > http://tinyurl.com/oldtrna > > > The crystal structure o

Re: [ccp4bb] Off topic: Crystal degredation with age

2009-02-05 Thread William G. Scott
Some things improve with age. Here is one of my favorite stories: http://tinyurl.com/oldtrna The crystal structure of yeast phenylalanine tRNA at 2.0 Å resolution: cleavage by Mg2+ in 15-year old crystals Luca Jovine, Snezana Djordjevica and Daniela Rhodes We have re-determined the crys