Re: [ccp4bb] Multiple nucleation

2007-03-30 Thread Raji Edayathumangalam
I've found that crystallization in sitting drops under oil dramatically reduces the no. of nucleation events and increases the overall crystal size. Now, if the increased crystal size helps improve diffraction is something to be tested. Among the many other suggestions... Raji -Includ

Re: [ccp4bb] Multiple nucleation

2007-03-30 Thread artem
Not a contradiction at all :) If the protein supply is adequate - this is a perfectly good approach to explore. I simply forgot to mention it. I've also not mentioned engineering the protein's surface (works really well for us because we have secret ways to do this, learned from ancient and myster

Re: [ccp4bb] Multiple nucleation

2007-03-30 Thread Radisky, Evette S. Ph.D.
In addition to trying lower concentrations of PEG and protein, you might consider whether aggregation in your protein stock or vibration in your crystallization environment are contributing to the problem, and how they might be minimized. It might be obvious, but we have found that it is important

Re: [ccp4bb] Multiple nucleation

2007-03-30 Thread Mario Sanches
You said you tried macroseeding, but what about microseeding? It works quite well in many cases. Just don't forget that you should find a zone were nucleation does not happen before you seed. Take a look at this paper: Bergfors, T. (2003) Seeds to Crystals, J. Struct. Biol., 142, 66-76. There

Re: [ccp4bb] Multiple nucleation

2007-03-30 Thread Frank von Delft
Hi Jobi Sounds like you need to explore your protein vs PEG concentration, and my guess (directly contradicting Artem's) is that chances are you need to pump [protein] way up and drop [PEG] way down. Like in [protein]=>30-40mg/ml, [PEG]<=2-4%. Often people don't go into that range when setti

Re: [ccp4bb] Multiple nucleation

2007-03-29 Thread Artem Evdokimov
What often works for this scenario: Change temperature. Try 21, 15, and 4C. Add glycerol or ethylene glycol - set a screen with your condition as basis, and % EG/glycerol across - from 1% to 15% in suitable increments Find additives that produce no crystals, set up tray(s) with those, then se