Re: [ccp4bb] Lowering R factor from small molecule structure

2021-06-04 Thread Muhammad Umer Faroque Malik
I can help if share ,, no problem. Regards Umer On Fri, Jun 4, 2021, 7:39 PM Harry Powell - CCP4BB < 193323b1e616-dmarc-requ...@jiscmail.ac.uk> wrote: > I’d have to say that Phil is possibly one of the small molecule > crystallographers who could probably sort this out in a flash - hence my >

Re: [ccp4bb] Lowering R factor from small molecule structure

2021-06-04 Thread Harry Powell - CCP4BB
I’d have to say that Phil is possibly one of the small molecule crystallographers who could probably sort this out in a flash - hence my last suggestion… Harry > On 4 Jun 2021, at 14:40, Phil Jeffrey wrote: > > Unlike macromolecular crystallography, small molecule crystallography is > infreq

Re: [ccp4bb] Lowering R factor from small molecule structure

2021-06-04 Thread Muhammad Umer Faroque Malik
Twinning disorders solvent and hydrogen atoms position with adjustment of several factors, small molecules are no so complicated as macromolecules. Regards Umer On Fri, Jun 4, 2021, 6:41 PM Phil Jeffrey wrote: > Unlike macromolecular crystallography, small molecule crystallography is > infrequen

Re: [ccp4bb] Lowering R factor from small molecule structure

2021-06-04 Thread Phil Jeffrey
Unlike macromolecular crystallography, small molecule crystallography is infrequently starved for data. So it makes no sense at all to extend your data to e.g. I/sigI of 1.0 amd Rmeas > 80% unless you want your R1 to be >10% for no good reason or utility, which is what was behind my suggestion

Re: [ccp4bb] Lowering R factor from small molecule structure

2021-06-04 Thread Harry Powell - CCP4BB
Hi Yes, ANIS and adding hydrogens (in SHELXL) are good things to do - with 0.8Å data most small molecule crystallographers would do this as a first step after fitting all the non-H atoms. One thing I can’t agree with is to cut the resolution of your data _unless_ you have a very, very good rea

Re: [ccp4bb] Lowering R factor from small molecule structure

2021-06-03 Thread Jon Cooper
Agreed, ANIS is the command to try. Sent from ProtonMail mobile Original Message On 3 Jun 2021, 20:18, Philip D. Jeffrey wrote: > R1 of 17% is bad for small molecule. > 0.8 Å is in the eye of the beholder - if you're using macromolecular cutoffs > then these might be too aggre

Re: [ccp4bb] Lowering R factor from small molecule structure

2021-06-03 Thread Rangana Warshamanage
Hi Jacob, >>The systematic absences in the hkl file pointed to P212121 being the space group, which is what it was processed in. If the data were processed in this space group (Laue class), the analysis of the systematic absence won't tell anything else. Probably, it would be more useful to proces

Re: [ccp4bb] Lowering R factor from small molecule structure

2021-06-03 Thread Jacob Summers
The systematic absences in the hkl file pointed to P212121 being the space group, which is what it was processed in. As for the peaks, the highest peaks are 3.92 at 2.72 A from an oxygen (Q1), 3.67 at 2.74 A from an oxygen (Q2), and 2.68 at 2.75 A from an oxygen (Q3). Q1 and Q3 seem to be about

Re: [ccp4bb] Lowering R factor from small molecule structure

2021-06-03 Thread Philip D. Jeffrey
R1 of 17% is bad for small molecule. 0.8 Å is in the eye of the beholder - if you're using macromolecular cutoffs then these might be too aggressive for small molecule-type refinement stats - try a more conservative cutoff lie 0.9 and see how that changes R1. However I suspect it's more to do w

Re: [ccp4bb] Lowering R factor from small molecule structure

2021-06-03 Thread Kristof Van Hecke
Dear Jacob, An R-value of 17% is indeed suspiciously high for a small molecule structure. Some thoughts: Are you sure the space group is correct? There might be twinning involved,. Have you checked the ’signs of twinning’ for small molecules? There might be disordered solvent molecules, which