Re: [ccp4bb] Large number of outliers in the dataset

2017-03-30 Thread Xiao Lei
This case is encouraging to me that a structure can be solved with such high mosaicity (in your report is 1.9). I wonder how the diffraction looks like (I imagine spots smearing or streak). With such high mosaicity, the unit cell dimension and space group determination is highly likely not accurate

Re: [ccp4bb] Large number of outliers in the dataset

2017-03-29 Thread Gianluca Santoni
In addition to what Nicolas has pointed out, is it quite suspicious to me that you have the same multiplicity in the high resolution shell as in the low resolution. On Mar 29, 2017 18:17, Nicolas FOOS wrote: Dear Juliana, all the statistics presented here looks good in

Re: [ccp4bb] Large number of outliers in the dataset

2017-03-29 Thread Eleanor Dodson
If you have outliers - worry about why? (By the way - what is the multiplicity?} Look at the AIMLESS list of rejections/ the scale factor for different batches/ reports of ice rings/ etc There has to be a reason, and with snsible reprocessing you can probably but much better resolution data (ther

Re: [ccp4bb] Large number of outliers in the dataset

2017-03-29 Thread Jeffrey, Philip D.
Juliana, I think if you compare otherwise equivalent refinement runs in phenix.refine with refinement.input.xray_data.outliers_rejection=True (the default) and refinement.input.xray_data.outliers_rejection=False then this will tell you if there's any meaningful difference in the refinement sta

Re: [ccp4bb] Large number of outliers in the dataset

2017-03-29 Thread Robbie Joosten
CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK<mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK> Onderwerp: Re: [ccp4bb] Large number of outliers in the dataset Dear Juliana, all the statistics presented here looks good in terms of resolution cut (maybe I will be less sever). For me the point is about the mosaicity you report 1.90 it's h

Re: [ccp4bb] Large number of outliers in the dataset

2017-03-29 Thread Nicolas FOOS
Dear Juliana, all the statistics presented here looks good in terms of resolution cut (maybe I will be less sever). For me the point is about the mosaicity you report 1.90 it's high in my opinion. How looks you images? I am wondering if the indexation is really right. And maybe the complain of

Re: [ccp4bb] Large number of outliers in the dataset

2017-03-29 Thread Nicholas Larsen
One thing that sometimes helps me in this situation is reprocess and refine in lower symmetry like P21. It could be you have pseudosymmetry and need to model more molecules in the AU to better reflect your data. Sometimes this can help. If that doesn't work, then you may have to stick with your

Re: [ccp4bb] Large number of outliers in the dataset

2017-03-29 Thread Mark J van Raaij
To be really convinced I think you should also compare the maps at 2.6 and 2.3 Å. If the 2.3 Å map looks better, go for it. If it doesn’t look better, perhaps you are adding noise, but the I/sigma and CC1/2 values suggest you aren’t. Perhaps try 2.5 and 2.4 Å also. And perhaps remove a well-order

Re: [ccp4bb] Large number of outliers in the dataset

2017-03-29 Thread Phil Evans
It is not clear to me why you believe that cutting the resolution of the data would improve your model (which after all is the aim of refinement). At the edge CC(1/2) and I/sigI are perfectly respectable, and there doesn’t seem to be anything wrong with the Wilson plot. Th R-factor will of cours