Re: [ccp4bb] repulsive effects of arginine

2013-10-09 Thread Nadir T. Mrabet
Resonance was to be understood exactly as meaning all the bonds are averaged between both types (single and double bonds). Furthermore, fluctuations in the immediate environment will affect electron distribution with time, as proteins exist in a dynamic state. Nadir Mrabet Pr. Nadir T. Mrabet

Re: [ccp4bb] repulsive effects of arginine

2013-10-08 Thread Karsten Niefind
In 3U9C we observed even 6 arginines (residues A278, A280 and A306 plus symmetry mates of chain B) mediating a crystalline contact by pi/pi stacking. We called this motif an "arginine zipper" (see Fig. 5 in dx.doi.org/10.1107/S0907444912016587). Karsten Niefind An example of pi-pi stacking

Re: [ccp4bb] repulsive effects of arginine

2013-10-08 Thread Jan van Agthoven
Yes, the two arginines are from two different models. One has the antibody and the other one the ligand. But if you imagine that both are bound to the receptor, asp still can't be entrapped between the arginines. And if the asp was entrapped between the two arginine it would also mean that the

Re: [ccp4bb] repulsive effects of arginine

2013-10-08 Thread Andrew Purkiss
An example of pi-pi stacking of the guanidinium groups, can be seen on a structure which I worked on; pdb-code: 2x2u. Look at the interactions between Arg 77 and its symmetry mate, with Arg 144 (and symmetry copy) flanking, giving rise to a stack of 4 Arginine guanidinium groups, with a sulphate io

Re: [ccp4bb] repulsive effects of arginine

2013-10-08 Thread Nadir T. Mrabet
Jan, Ionic interaction does reduce the charges born by the partners in isolation. This is why charged residues found in the protein core are always paired. Furthermore, concerning arg, beyond the fact that they are found to autointeract as Andrey pointed out, the charge they bear is spread over

Re: [ccp4bb] repulsive effects of arginine

2013-10-08 Thread Nadir T. Mrabet
Yes, indeed Andrey. And this results from resonance (tautomerization) of the guanidinium group. Regards, Nadir Mrabet Pr. Nadir T. Mrabet Structural & Molecular Biochemistry N-gere - INSERM U-954 University of Lorraine, Nancy School of Sciences and Technologies & School of Medicine 9, Avenue de

Re: [ccp4bb] repulsive effects of arginine

2013-10-08 Thread Jan van Agthoven
Thanks for your responses, Andrey, I had no idea about these arginine associations. In this case the arginines are facing each other guanidinium to guanidinium. I guess they wouldn't attract. Nadir, the asp is not entrapped between the two arginines. But Hermann is probably right by saying that th

Re: [ccp4bb] repulsive effects of arginine

2013-10-08 Thread Andrey Feklistov
Hi Jan, please note, Arg-Arg proximity is not always repulsive: guanidinium groups can associate bridged by H-bonds and interactions with water molecules or neighboring amino acids. There are many examples of these unusual Arg formations, see for reference: Neves, Yeager and Abagyan (2012) "U

Re: [ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] repulsive effects of arginine

2013-10-08 Thread Nadir T. Mrabet
a significant drop in affinity which may explain the effect of the antibody. Best, Herman -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] Im Auftrag von Jan van Agthoven Gesendet: Montag, 7. Oktober 2013 22:47 An: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Betreff: [ccp4bb]

Re: [ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] repulsive effects of arginine

2013-10-08 Thread Jan van Agthoven
endet: Montag, 7. Oktober 2013 22:47 > An: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK > Betreff: [ccp4bb] repulsive effects of arginine > > Hi everyone, > I'm working on structure of an antibody that inhibits a receptor. The > antibody doesn't induce any conformational change in the receptor an

[ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] repulsive effects of arginine

2013-10-08 Thread Herman . Schreuder
@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] Im Auftrag von Jan van Agthoven Gesendet: Montag, 7. Oktober 2013 22:47 An: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Betreff: [ccp4bb] repulsive effects of arginine Hi everyone, I'm working on structure of an antibody that inhibits a receptor. The antibody doesn't induce any conformational

[ccp4bb] repulsive effects of arginine

2013-10-07 Thread Jan van Agthoven
Hi everyone, I'm working on structure of an antibody that inhibits a receptor. The antibody doesn't induce any conformational change in the receptor and doesn't bind the ligand binding site. If we superimpose the receptor with antibody and ligand the only hindrance we find is a electrostatic repuls