Re: [ccp4bb] Pseudo translational symmetry Problem or Wrong Spacegroup

2012-12-07 Thread Edward A. Berry
Does this mean that, when placing the first (or only) copy of a model, the score will not be elevated by presence of tNCS (Unless the model contains domains separated by more or less exactly the distance of the tNCS vector)? (In general, using a generic MR program that does not correct for TNS.) S

Re: [ccp4bb] Pseudo translational symmetry Problem or Wrong Spacegroup

2012-12-07 Thread Randy Read
Dear Yurong, I just wanted to check that you're using an up-to-date version of Phaser, which will account for the presence of translational NCS (tNCS). With older versions of Phaser, you could get apparent solutions that were incorrect but would give a high LLG just because they satisfied the

Re: [ccp4bb] Pseudo translational symmetry Problem or Wrong Spacegroup

2012-12-03 Thread Herman . Schreuder
2 12:49 PM To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: [ccp4bb] Pseudo translational symmetry Problem or Wrong Spacegroup Dear All, Recently, I collected a dataset of a protein-DNA complex and indexed in spacegroup P212121 to 3.4 Å. However, Phenix.

[ccp4bb] Pseudo translational symmetry Problem or Wrong Spacegroup

2012-12-03 Thread Yurong Wen
Dear All, Recently, I collected a dataset of a protein-DNA complex and indexed in spacegroup P212121 to 3.4 Å. However, Phenix.Xtriage indicated the presence of a very high pseudotranslational symmetry peak. I scaled the data in spacegroup P222. When I used the protein heterotetramer as sear

Re: [ccp4bb] pseudo translational symmetry

2012-08-03 Thread Eleanor Dodson
Brilliant illustration - even in 3D! eleanor On 3 Aug 2012, at 14:01, Laurie Betts wrote: > I couldn't resist this shot. It might not make the cut.but > >

Re: [ccp4bb] pseudo translational symmetry

2012-08-03 Thread D Bonsor
"Some people might squawk at 2MB attachments on a BB..." Surely that is bark :)

Re: [ccp4bb] pseudo translational symmetry

2012-08-03 Thread David Schuller
One way to address this would be to provide a link to the image on the web, rather than including it as an attachment. On 08/03/12 14:04, Francis E Reyes wrote: Some people might squawk at 2MB attachments on a BB... But that made my day.. Thanks! On Aug 3, 2012, at 6:01 AM, Laurie Betts w

Re: [ccp4bb] pseudo translational symmetry

2012-08-03 Thread Francis E Reyes
Some people might squawk at 2MB attachments on a BB... But that made my day.. Thanks! On Aug 3, 2012, at 6:01 AM, Laurie Betts wrote: > I couldn't resist this shot. It might not make the cut.but > >

Re: [ccp4bb] pseudo translational symmetry

2012-08-03 Thread Jacob Keller
What symmetry operator is that towel indicating? Must be 24-fold rotational NCS? JPK On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 8:43 AM, Bosch, Juergen wrote: > Thank Laurie, > > what's that domain dangling off your DOG-domain ? And have you checked if > the off-origin peak is indeed the same height as the origin

Re: [ccp4bb] pseudo translational symmetry

2012-08-03 Thread Bosch, Juergen
Thank Laurie, what's that domain dangling off your DOG-domain ? And have you checked if the off-origin peak is indeed the same height as the origin peak ? May I include your slide in my class ? Jürgen On Aug 3, 2012, at 9:01 AM, Laurie Betts wrote: I couldn't resist this shot. It might not

Re: [ccp4bb] pseudo-translational symmetry

2009-08-10 Thread Eleanor Dodson
Oops - sorry to mislead you. Yes - you are absolutely right.. Eleanor ale...@pasteur.fr wrote: Just a small comment on Eleanor's instructive advices : ... If your original structure has cell (a2= 47.3, b2=58.9, c2=67.6) and angles (alpha2=90, beta2=99.2, gamma2=90) and the second cell i

Re: [ccp4bb] pseudo-translational symmetry

2009-08-10 Thread alebus
Just a small comment on Eleanor's instructive advices : > ... > If your original structure has cell > > (a2= 47.3, b2=58.9, c2=67.6) and angles (alpha2=90, beta2=99.2, gamma2=90) > > and the second cell is > (a1=67.5, b1=58.8, c1=98.9) and angles (alpha1=90, beta1=101.5, gamma1=90) > ... > I woul

Re: [ccp4bb] pseudo-translational symmetry

2009-08-10 Thread Eleanor Dodson
First - there doesnt seem much to worry about. The Rs will be higher than usual when you have a strong pseudo-translation vector. There are many weak observations for the h k l=2n+1 reflections. But in cases like this is is very helpful to force the same indexing on all your different data set

[ccp4bb] pseudo-translational symmetry

2009-08-08 Thread Romano, Keith
Hi all, I am trying to refine a structure to about 2.0A. Indexing in HKL2000 indicates the protein crystallized in P2 with unit cell lengths (a1=67.5, b1=58.8, c1=98.9) and angles (alpha1=90, beta1=101.5, gamma1=90). Molecular replacement with Phaser yields a solution in P1 21 1 with four mol