Re: [ccp4bb] process data in R32

2010-08-12 Thread Eric Larson
Hi Ray, In HKL2000, by default (i.e. - without changing anything manually) for R32/H32, Denzo/Scalepack leads to a .sca file that has hexagonal unit cell parameters in the header but has the space group listed as R32. Scalepack2mtz in ccp4 does not like this mismatch so you have to simply cha

Re: [ccp4bb] process data in R32

2010-08-12 Thread George M. Sheldrick
Coming from small molecule crystallography where this problem simply doesn't exit, I found it very difficult to understand all the fuss! The small molecule crystallographers specify the symmetry operations rather than the space group so there is nothing special about using different settings. If a

Re: [ccp4bb] process data in R32

2010-08-12 Thread Phil Evans
As far as I know all the programs we use will handle the non-primitive hexagonal setting of rhombohedral space groups (ie a=b != c, alpha=beta=90, gamma =120), often denoted "H3" or "H32" (aka R3:H in cctbx). Many of them will probably handle the primitive rhombohedral setting (a=b=c, alpha=be

Re: [ccp4bb] process data in R32

2010-08-11 Thread Eleanor Dodson
If you cant import a file with symmetry labelled R32 but with a=b and alpha=beta = 90, and gamma = 120 then something is wrong - the symmetry checking looks at both name and cell.. or at least it used to.. The output mtz would have symmetry name changed to H32, but that is just a name - in ea

[ccp4bb] process data in R32

2010-08-11 Thread Ray Brown
Hi, I have read all of the past messages about the confusion of H32 and R32 and I want to get the correct indexing sp that I can import the .sca file into CCP4.. I use DENZO and SCALEPACK in HKL2000. If you read the manual then it states that space group R32 should only be autoindexed by DENZO