Re: [ccp4bb] need help--Rfree is not decreasing

2007-07-23 Thread Eleanor Dodson
First suggestion - use WEIGHT AUTO in REFMAC - you may have restrained the geometry too tightly.. And have you tried TLS ? And at what level do you see no density - remember sigma levels in maps need to vary with B factor - very easy to achieve this with COOT.. Eleanor JOE CRYSTAL wrote:

Re: [ccp4bb] Suggestion: Wiki -- was:Re: [ccp4bb] need help--Rfree is not decreasing

2007-07-22 Thread Lucas Bleicher
That would be a great idea. In fact, I keep on my mailbox dozens of great postings (most of them summaries) in CCP4 which would be very useful to everybody if there's an online resource, with information organized in topics. I would gladly copy them to this wiki. Lucas --- Kay Diederichs <[EMAIL

Re: [ccp4bb] Suggestion: Wiki -- was:Re: [ccp4bb] need help--Rfree is not decreasing

2007-07-21 Thread Ben Eisenbraun
On Sat, Jul 21, 2007 at 05:22:42PM +0100, Winter, G (Graeme) wrote: > ... or alternatively just start something on wikipedia? Wikipedia actually has a policy against articles that are too technical in nature, so it might not be the appropriate place for this kind of content. http://en.wikipedia.o

Re: [ccp4bb] Suggestion: Wiki -- was:Re: [ccp4bb] need help--Rfree is not decreasing

2007-07-21 Thread William Scott
I would happily contribute to this, and migrate anything relevant from my own stuff. I think this could be a very valuable resource. The PyMOL wiki is a good example of what could be done. The main requirement for success I think is having a few dedicated users who want to see it succeed. We shou

Re: [ccp4bb] Suggestion: Wiki -- was:Re: [ccp4bb] need help--Rfree is not decreasing

2007-07-21 Thread Kevin Cowtan
Hi! A crystallography wiki was discussed at the last CCP4 developers meeting, and I've been looking into it. Setting up a wiki is not hard, but keeping it up-to-date and secure is. (We've had problems with this at York, where we've been running one for a few years). Therefore I suggest it is

Re: [ccp4bb] Suggestion: Wiki -- was:Re: [ccp4bb] need help--Rfree is not decreasing

2007-07-21 Thread Winter, G (Graeme)
: [ccp4bb] Suggestion: Wiki -- was:Re: [ccp4bb] need help--Rfree is not decreasing So - rather than repeat things that are obvious to some people, would it not be good to have a crystallography-FAQ that one could point people to? This should be part of a Wiki where "we crystallographers&q

[ccp4bb] Suggestion: Wiki -- was:Re: [ccp4bb] need help--Rfree is not decreasing

2007-07-21 Thread Kay Diederichs
So - rather than repeat things that are obvious to some people, would it not be good to have a crystallography-FAQ that one could point people to? This should be part of a Wiki where "we crystallographers" could collect our wisdom. This would be much more systematic, and less volatile, than the

Re: [ccp4bb] need help--Rfree is not decreasing

2007-07-21 Thread Anastassis Perrakis
Sorry for the cliche, but the goal of refinement is not to reduce R factors, but to produce a good model. ARP/wARP uses the 'WEIGHT AUTO' option of REFMAC5 to get a good geometry. You should set the weight to a value that produces 1-2 and 1-3 distances rms deviations similar to the ARP/wARP

[ccp4bb] need help--Rfree is not decreasing

2007-07-20 Thread JOE CRYSTAL
Dear all, I am refining a structure at 2.0 A. The water molecules have been added using arp/warp resulting Rwork/Rfree=21/26% (about 370 HOH for 360 residues). After 10 cycles of refmac refinement (wt 0.3), Rwork/Rfree went up about 1.5% to 22.5/27.5%. I did some minor adjustments and add/del