Re: [ccp4bb] intensity statistics and twinning

2016-10-31 Thread Tim Gruene
Dear Hauke, others pointed out that there is little suspicious about your data, and you can probably continue refining in P21. You also have a reasonably large unit cell, so stick to the defaults regarding Rfree selection. 4.5A resolution is just quite hard to work with, but otherwise I don't t

Re: [ccp4bb] intensity statistics and twinning

2016-10-31 Thread Hillen, Hauke
Dear Tim, In this case, I was using my anomalous dataset truncated at 5A resolution for refinement and used Phenix to generate a Free R array: Number of work/free reflections by resolution: work free %free bin 1: 49.6881 - 10.7634 [4605/4610] 4403

Re: [ccp4bb] intensity statistics and twinning

2016-10-28 Thread Kay Diederichs
Hi Hauke, so your refinement results in P1 seem to say it's untwinned. I don't see (but I may be overlooking something?) the evidence, from what you write, that it could not be P21 or P2, because any P2 or P21 structure can be refined in P1 (but of course not the other way round). In other word

Re: [ccp4bb] intensity statistics and twinning

2016-10-28 Thread Tim Gruene
Dear Hauke, when you use twin refinement, your R-factor is bound to drop whether it is twinned or not. In your case Rfree rises, which is actually hinting at your data not being twinned. How many reflections do you have in the Rfree set? Best, Tim On Friday, October 28, 2016 1:59:29 PM CEST H

Re: [ccp4bb] intensity statistics and twinning

2016-10-28 Thread Hillen, Hauke
Dear Kay, Thank you for your answer! I have meanwhile processed my anomalous data also also as P1 and solved the structure with MR-SAD in P1, which works flawlessly and gives the same solution. Compared to P21, I now have 4 instead of 2 molecules in the ASU, which makes sense. I then tried refi

Re: [ccp4bb] intensity statistics and twinning

2016-10-28 Thread Kay Diederichs
Dear Hauke, the conversion of intensities to amplitudes is an area with unsatisfactory solutions, and the approaches of (and the assumptions made by) the different programs differ. Low-resolution data are often anisotropic, which adds difficulties. You could try CCP4 truncate/ctruncate and Glob

[ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] intensity statistics and twinning

2016-10-27 Thread Hillen, Hauke
: Re: [ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] intensity statistics and twinning Another option might be to go full cryo-EM Mark J van Raaij CNB-CSIC www.cnb.csic.es/~mjvanraaijOn 27 Oct 2016 21:37, "Hillen, Hauke" wrote: > > Dear Mark, > > Thanks for your reply. Unfortunately, I have alrea

[ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] intensity statistics and twinning

2016-10-27 Thread Hillen, Hauke
, Hauke Von: Mark van Raaij [mjvanra...@cnb.csic.es] Gesendet: Donnerstag, 27. Oktober 2016 21:29 An: Hillen, Hauke Betreff: Re: [ccp4bb] intensity statistics and twinning I'd say intensity statistics at this resolution at not reliable and your crysta

Re: [ccp4bb] intensity statistics and twinning

2016-10-27 Thread Keller, Jacob
: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: [ccp4bb] intensity statistics and twinning Dear ccp4 community, I am currently working on some low resolution datasets (around 4.5A). The space group seems to be P21, as suggested by XDS and pointless. I have collected many datasets of these crystals, both native as

[ccp4bb] intensity statistics and twinning

2016-10-27 Thread Hillen, Hauke
Dear ccp4 community, I am currently working on some low resolution datasets (around 4.5A). The space group seems to be P21, as suggested by XDS and pointless. I have collected many datasets of these crystals, both native as well as SeMet-labeled. Using MR-SAD I have been able to obtain a clearl