Re: [ccp4bb] high Rwork / Rfree after MR

2014-02-05 Thread Kay Diederichs
Dear Shanti Pal Gangwar, based on the information you give, this does not sound like "solved structure" to me. By the way, the ACA conference at the end of May will feature a session "data processing with the pros", where difficult projects will be analyzed, and hopefully structures like this

Re: [ccp4bb] high Rwork / Rfree after MR

2014-02-04 Thread Shanti Pal Gangwar
in/citedin?dz5235 > > > *From:* Rick Lewis [mailto:r.le...@ncl.ac.uk] > *Sent:* Dienstag, 4. Februar 2014 15:24 > *To:* b...@hofkristallamt.org > *Subject:* Re: [ccp4bb] high Rwork / Rfree after MR > > a third of nothing is till nothing... see attached screendump > > ;

Re: [ccp4bb] high Rwork / Rfree after MR

2014-02-04 Thread jai mohan
/cgi-bin/citedin?dz5235     From:Rick Lewis [mailto:r.le...@ncl.ac.uk] Sent: Dienstag, 4. Februar 2014 15:24 To: b...@hofkristallamt.org Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] high Rwork / Rfree after MR   a third of nothing is till nothing... see attached screendump ;-) On 04/02/14 14:19, Bernhard Rupp wrote

Re: [ccp4bb] high Rwork / Rfree after MR

2014-02-04 Thread Bernhard Rupp
: [ccp4bb] high Rwork / Rfree after MR a third of nothing is till nothing... see attached screendump ;-) On 04/02/14 14:19, Bernhard Rupp wrote: EDSTATS is part of CCP4 ….which in fact I cite in 33% of all of its CrossRef references http://scripts.iucr.org/cgi-bin/citedin?dz5235/ Touché

Re: [ccp4bb] high Rwork / Rfree after MR

2014-02-04 Thread Bernhard Rupp
@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] high Rwork / Rfree after MR And really we should not be using real space CC or real space R anymore - not since Tickle 2012 (http://scripts.iucr.org/cgi-bin/paper?S0907444911035918) EDSTATS is part of CCP4. phx On 04/02/2014 13:31, Bernhard Rupp wrote

Re: [ccp4bb] high Rwork / Rfree after MR

2014-02-04 Thread Frank von Delft
And really we should not be using real space CC or real space R anymore - not since Tickle 2012 (http://scripts.iucr.org/cgi-bin/paper?S0907444911035918) EDSTATS is part of CCP4. phx On 04/02/2014 13:31, Bernhard Rupp wrote: > interpretable electron density map is obtained to which most

Re: [ccp4bb] high Rwork / Rfree after MR

2014-02-04 Thread Tim Gruene
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dear Shanti Pal Gangwar, which strategy did you pursue after MR - did you start model building, or did you start with refinement? In case of the latter you may have erased what actually helps you get a better model. One easy way to check is the geomet

Re: [ccp4bb] high Rwork / Rfree after MR

2014-02-04 Thread Bernhard Rupp
> interpretable electron density map is obtained to which most of your protein model can be fitted properly. The primary numeric indication for that are your R-factors. Minor comment: The measure for the fit of the *model (density) to the electron density* is actually a local real space correl

Re: [ccp4bb] high Rwork / Rfree after MR

2014-02-04 Thread Hay Dvir
Hello Shanti, Typically, one can safely claim a solved structure once an interpretable electron density map is obtained to which most of your protein model can be fitted properly. The primary numeric indication for that are your R-factors. The high values you have suggest that either something

Re: [ccp4bb] high Rwork / Rfree after MR

2014-02-04 Thread Eleanor Dodson
Well - that depends on many things. Are you sure of the spacegroup? Those R factors sometimes indicate a wrong selection of SG P212121 instead of P21212 for example.. Are you sure the data is not twinned? Do the maps show features which are not in the model? etc etc Eleanor On 4 February 2014

[ccp4bb] high Rwork / Rfree after MR

2014-02-04 Thread Shanti Pal Gangwar
Dear All I have solved one structure by MR. The data data quality was poor so the Rmerge was high. The resolution of the data is 3.3 Angstrom.The refinement statistics are also very poor Rw/Rf= 40/42 %. After many efforts we are not able to get reasonable Rw/Rf. My question is "can it be claimed