Re: [ccp4bb] Twinning for P31

2008-10-17 Thread Eleanor Dodson
This point group can be four fold twinned so it is possible but unlikely that you have equal degrees of twinning along all possible twinning axes. More likely that you have the space group wrong. Did you test all possibilities; PG321 PG 312 PG 6 PG 622 (all this is very easily tested with p

Re: [ccp4bb] Twinning for P31

2008-10-17 Thread Yingjie Peng
Hi, Peter, I have tried to carry out MR in P3. It turned out that P31 is the right one. After MR, I refined it using Phenix.refine with or without twin law. The result is as following: Twin law R Rfree Twin fraction in phenix.refine None

Re: [ccp4bb] Twinning for P31

2008-10-16 Thread Eleanor Dodson
People dont read the CCP4 documentation on twinning! Grrr PG P3 can have 3 twinning operators; and these are: k,h,-l ( or symm equiv) - if this is a crystallographic operator the PG becomes P321 -h,-k,l (or symm equiv) - if this is a crystallographic operator the PG becomes P6 -k,-h,-l (or sy

Re: [ccp4bb] Twinning for P31

2008-10-16 Thread Yingjie Peng
Hi, I tried to processed it as P321. It seemed that it might be right. The Rmerge increased just a little. Then I used phenix.xtriage and sfcheck to check it. The results are as following: phenix.xtriage: Twinning and intensity statistics summary (acentric data): Statistics independent of twin

Re: [ccp4bb] Twinning for P31

2008-10-15 Thread Eleanor Dodson
I cant follow this very well. Try SFCHECK as well which will do the same tests and give a differently formatted output.. or TRUNCATE which gives you plots of these stats v resolution.. /^2 : 2.351 This is higher than the expected value of 2 for untwinned data. (1.5 for perfectly twinned data

[ccp4bb] Twinning for P31

2008-10-15 Thread Yingjie Peng
Dear guys, I have collected a dataset with the sg as P31. I ran pehnix.xtriage to analyse the data with following result: Twinning and intensity statistics summary (acentric data): Statistics independent of twin laws - /^2 : 2.351 - ^2/ : 0.788 - <|E^2-1|> : 0.766 - <|L|>, : 0.446, 0.2